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Post by questionable on Jun 10, 2022 16:18:32 GMT
Hopefully bought my last lot yesterday to get me home today, new electric car arrives on Monday What have you gone for? I have a Toyota Hybrid now, when that comes up I will probably opt for a plug in hybrid for best of both. Full EV is still out of my price bracket unfortunately We looked at the Audi Q4 etron lovely piece of kit, 100% would have had one if we weren’t running 2 cars currently.
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Post by dave1 on Jun 10, 2022 16:49:25 GMT
I've got a Merc EQA which is full electric, lovely motor. It does about 260 to a full charge
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 10, 2022 17:14:24 GMT
I've got a Merc EQA which is full electric, lovely motor. It does about 260 to a full charge I hazard a guess it doesn’t in winter. I’ve a fully electric and it’s range drops 15-20% in winter
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Post by scfcwebby on Jun 10, 2022 19:05:21 GMT
Currently got the Corsa E, and realistically getting 120miles out of it.
The problem is that the infrastructure is no where near where it needs to be (especially up north) 1 charger every 10 miles and if its broken or in use then you're fucked.
Mine is a company car so I don't pay a penny at all so I suppose I can't grumble too much and the fleet team have realised that the corsa isn't fit for purpose (for my job anyway)
Town driving is great, it will go and go and go as it self charges on deceleration, but any motorway miles and you see the battery bar draining at a rapid rate.
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Post by dave1 on Jun 10, 2022 19:21:11 GMT
I've got a Merc EQA which is full electric, lovely motor. It does about 260 to a full charge I hazard a guess it doesn’t in winter. I’ve a fully electric and it’s range drops 15-20% in winter Yeah it's not as good in winter when having the heating in but it's not a problem. Providing that any decent distances are planned it's fine
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Post by superjw on Jun 10, 2022 19:38:18 GMT
Currently got the Corsa E, and realistically getting 120miles out of it. The problem is that the infrastructure is no where near where it needs to be (especially up north) 1 charger every 10 miles and if its broken or in use then you're fucked. Mine is a company car so I don't pay a penny at all so I suppose I can't grumble too much and the fleet team have realised that the corsa isn't fit for purpose (for my job anyway) Town driving is great, it will go and go and go as it self charges on deceleration, but any motorway miles and you see the battery bar draining at a rapid rate. Outside of company cars, them corsas are proper expensive to buy! But I agree, infrastructure just simply isn't there and frankly never will be, unless there is technology to charge as fast as it takes to fill a tank at a fuel station. How in god's name is a terraced street supposed to charge all their cars without it becoming some kind of assault course?
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 10, 2022 22:54:03 GMT
A mate at work says he gets about 3 miles per kWh. So if your leccy is 28p/unit then it's about 9p/mile right now. 50 mpg petrol = 16p/mile. It's an interesting one this, because charging outside of your home can cost quite a lot more. Also, most rapid chargers for the home require an initial investment of about £700/900 if people don't want to wait as long with a standard plug version. For example Shell chargers in the UK cost between £0.55 and £0.59kwh (which will no doubt go up in October as energy prices change) So using them chargers then puts you in line with (maybe even more) than petrol and diesel - lots of variables I know with different charging providers and rates. Personally, we will get to a point where driving costs equal themselves out in the end. It will be overall no cheaper to own and run an electric vehicle than a traditional car. My guess is it becomes more expensive in the UK Bloody hell 55p. I'd run you a charging cable out of my flat window for 40! Do the Shell chargers change price by the day? Would make sense to get lower prices when it's windy - the big new wind farms contracted at about 5p so there should be cheaper power coming online. Mrcoke probably knows about this.
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Post by superjw on Jun 11, 2022 7:33:34 GMT
It's an interesting one this, because charging outside of your home can cost quite a lot more. Also, most rapid chargers for the home require an initial investment of about £700/900 if people don't want to wait as long with a standard plug version. For example Shell chargers in the UK cost between £0.55 and £0.59kwh (which will no doubt go up in October as energy prices change) So using them chargers then puts you in line with (maybe even more) than petrol and diesel - lots of variables I know with different charging providers and rates. Personally, we will get to a point where driving costs equal themselves out in the end. It will be overall no cheaper to own and run an electric vehicle than a traditional car. My guess is it becomes more expensive in the UK Bloody hell 55p. I'd run you a charging cable out of my flat window for 40! Do the Shell chargers change price by the day? Would make sense to get lower prices when it's windy - the big new wind farms contracted at about 5p so there should be cheaper power coming online. Mrcoke probably knows about this. Unfortunately in the UK, charging providers are starting to act just like the fuel companies and massively increasing their rates. According to Shell, their website says that's their fixed rate across the UK, so consumers won't see any cheaper benefits. My new electricity fixed term is 34p per kWh and that's pretty cheap compared to others, come October the price cap will take electricity to the late 30s per kWh. Can't see how charging points will ever be cheap tbh. I hear that if you are lucky enough to have a Tesla, their charging points are free? Don't know how true that is though
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Post by westlandstokie on Jun 11, 2022 7:56:25 GMT
Bloody hell 55p. I'd run you a charging cable out of my flat window for 40! Do the Shell chargers change price by the day? Would make sense to get lower prices when it's windy - the big new wind farms contracted at about 5p so there should be cheaper power coming online. Mrcoke probably knows about this. Unfortunately in the UK, charging providers are starting to act just like the fuel companies and massively increasing their rates. According to Shell, their website says that's their fixed rate across the UK, so consumers won't see any cheaper benefits. My new electricity fixed term is 34p per kWh and that's pretty cheap compared to others, come October the price cap will take electricity to the late 30s per kWh. Can't see how charging points will ever be cheap tbh. I hear that if you are lucky enough to have a Tesla, their charging points are free? Don't know how true that is though Just like anything else in life…once something gets popular they put the prices up. You can pretty much guarantee that when electric cars become the norm they will be just as expensive as ice cars unfortunately because the Government will charge you by the mile…they will have to have their taxes.
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Post by steve66 on Jun 11, 2022 7:58:41 GMT
I recall a conversation with a person I work with around April 20 and they turned out to be absolutely bang on in their predictions in that everything will increase immensely in price to pay for Covid. I’m sick to friggin death of working and paying for the Goverments, mismanagement, lies, corruption or whatever you want to call it take your pick.i Why are we being taxed to death to pay for their mistakes, oh and our futures look as bleak as hell as pensions have been hammered. Soon there will be no such thing as a middle class term. Agree with all of that but had government ignored covid and told us all to carry on working as normal and take your chances then they would of been hammered for doing that?
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Post by superjw on Jun 11, 2022 9:26:37 GMT
Unfortunately in the UK, charging providers are starting to act just like the fuel companies and massively increasing their rates. According to Shell, their website says that's their fixed rate across the UK, so consumers won't see any cheaper benefits. My new electricity fixed term is 34p per kWh and that's pretty cheap compared to others, come October the price cap will take electricity to the late 30s per kWh. Can't see how charging points will ever be cheap tbh. I hear that if you are lucky enough to have a Tesla, their charging points are free? Don't know how true that is though Just like anything else in life…once something gets popular they put the prices up. You can pretty much guarantee that when electric cars become the norm they will be just as expensive as ice cars unfortunately because the Government will charge you by the mile…they will have to have their taxes. Yep totally agree, some kind of pay per mile tax system is inevitable. It's easily done, the government can simply use the online MOT records. Servicing garages and dealers will also probably be mandated to input mileage (as they do in their own records) into government systems to keep it up to date.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 11, 2022 9:37:59 GMT
Brent Crude oil price per barrel June 16th 2008 = $132.00 Average Petrol price per litre at the pumps was £1.20
Brent Crude June 8th 2022 = $123.00 Petrol price per litre is £1.90
More to with governments than oil companies
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jun 11, 2022 9:48:17 GMT
Brent Crude oil price per barrel June 16th 2008 = $132.00 Average Petrol price per litre at the pumps was £1.20 Brent Crude June 8th 2022 = $123.00 Petrol price per litre is £1.90 More to with governments than oil companies Agree - we are being ripped off right royally from the top down and the sheeple are just accepting it as being down to covid and the war - yes some costs have risen but how can we tell who's taking the piss when it gets passed on in the shape of goods and services.....
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Post by questionable on Jun 11, 2022 9:53:10 GMT
Brent Crude oil price per barrel June 16th 2008 = $132.00 Average Petrol price per litre at the pumps was £1.20 Brent Crude June 8th 2022 = $123.00 Petrol price per litre is £1.90 More to with governments than oil companies Morrison’s in Nantwich their Petrol has increased by 5p a ltr this week alone and more to come I’m afraid based on what a neighbour has just told me who’s in the import business as they’re having to endure a rise of raw material costs of 30% thanks to Putin and will affect literally everybody.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 11, 2022 10:21:26 GMT
Reduce VAT on petrol and don’t allow it on the excise tax
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 11, 2022 10:56:36 GMT
Unfortunately in the UK, charging providers are starting to act just like the fuel companies and massively increasing their rates. According to Shell, their website says that's their fixed rate across the UK, so consumers won't see any cheaper benefits. My new electricity fixed term is 34p per kWh and that's pretty cheap compared to others, come October the price cap will take electricity to the late 30s per kWh. Can't see how charging points will ever be cheap tbh. I hear that if you are lucky enough to have a Tesla, their charging points are free? Don't know how true that is though Just like anything else in life…once something gets popular they put the prices up. You can pretty much guarantee that when electric cars become the norm they will be just as expensive as ice cars unfortunately because the Government will charge you by the mile…they will have to have their taxes. Unless demand outstrips supply, prices usually drop as things become more popular. They become cheaper to manufacture and distribute.
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Post by questionable on Jun 11, 2022 11:17:38 GMT
Reduce VAT on petrol and don’t allow it on the excise tax Don’t be daft how are they going to give everyone money towards their energy bills and don’t get me started on the money if you’re on a qualifying benefit payments 😡😡
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Post by Northy on Jun 11, 2022 11:17:47 GMT
I've just put £10 unleaded in to get me through the weekend, the miles left to drive on the dashboard went up by 60 miles and its a self charging hybrid
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Post by franklin on Jun 11, 2022 11:25:56 GMT
I filled my tank up yesterday with e10 and it cost £97 and there was about 60mls left in before I filled up. It told me that I had 400miles to go and I do about 600 a week.
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Post by superjw on Jun 11, 2022 11:54:30 GMT
I filled my tank up yesterday with e10 and it cost £97 and there was about 60mls left in before I filled up. It told me that I had 400miles to go and I do about 600 a week. E10 fuel is such a scam, it doesn't last anywhere as long as standard petrol used to. Fuel companies sell it at the same price as standard petrol (before the price hikes) yet people were finding themselves filling up more often. I did a test last week with the wife, using premium petrol lasts her an extra day driving for work than E10 does.
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Post by superjw on Jun 11, 2022 11:55:51 GMT
I've just put £10 unleaded in to get me through the weekend, the miles left to drive on the dashboard went up by 60 miles and its a self charging hybrid When I was in Greece few weeks back, I put €10 in my hire car before I handed it back. I only got 4 litres of fuel, not even enough for a fuel can!
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Post by westlandstokie on Jun 11, 2022 13:04:04 GMT
Just like anything else in life…once something gets popular they put the prices up. You can pretty much guarantee that when electric cars become the norm they will be just as expensive as ice cars unfortunately because the Government will charge you by the mile…they will have to have their taxes. Unless demand outstrips supply, prices usually drop as things become more popular. They become cheaper to manufacture and distribute. Fair comment but I pretty much guarantee you that the Government will be taxing or charging per mile when/if electric cars really take off. All the income they lose from motorists won’t be forgotten about…they will get it from the electric car drivers100% guaranteed.
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Post by franklin on Jun 11, 2022 13:04:16 GMT
I filled my tank up yesterday with e10 and it cost £97 and there was about 60mls left in before I filled up. It told me that I had 400miles to go and I do about 600 a week. E10 fuel is such a scam, it doesn't last anywhere as long as standard petrol used to. Fuel companies sell it at the same price as standard petrol (before the price hikes) yet people were finding themselves filling up more often. I did a test last week with the wife, using premium petrol lasts her an extra day driving for work than E10 does. It was the only unleaded available but yeah it I don't normally use it.
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Post by AlliG on Jun 11, 2022 15:11:43 GMT
I filled my tank up yesterday with e10 and it cost £97 and there was about 60mls left in before I filled up. It told me that I had 400miles to go and I do about 600 a week. E10 fuel is such a scam, it doesn't last anywhere as long as standard petrol used to. Fuel companies sell it at the same price as standard petrol (before the price hikes) yet people were finding themselves filling up more often. I did a test last week with the wife, using premium petrol lasts her an extra day driving for work than E10 does. I keep reading these "horror" stories about reduced fuel economy with E10 petrol. (The Daily Express seem to alternate between Princess Di conspiracy stories and E10 horror stories in their clickbait that pops up on my news feed. ) I have kept a mileage and consumption log since I brought my first car in 1978. Over the last 6 years my mileage and journey types have been pretty consistent so here is the MPG for my petrol Focus over that period: 2016 - 41.03 2017 - 41.20 2018 - 41.06 2019 - 41.77 2020 - 39.82 (reduced mileage during lockdown) 2021 - 40.41 (reduced mileage during lockdown) 2022 - 41.81 What am I doing wrong?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 11, 2022 15:49:36 GMT
E10 fuel is such a scam, it doesn't last anywhere as long as standard petrol used to. Fuel companies sell it at the same price as standard petrol (before the price hikes) yet people were finding themselves filling up more often. I did a test last week with the wife, using premium petrol lasts her an extra day driving for work than E10 does. I keep reading these "horror" stories about reduced fuel economy with E10 petrol. (The Daily Express seem to alternate between Princess Di conspiracy stories and E10 horror stories in their clickbait that pops up on my news feed. ) I have kept a mileage and consumption log since I brought my first car in 1978. Over the last 6 years my mileage and journey types have been pretty consistent so here is the MPG for my petrol Focus over that period: 2016 - 41.03 2017 - 41.20 2018 - 41.06 2019 - 41.77 2020 - 39.82 (reduced mileage during lockdown) 2021 - 40.41 (reduced mileage during lockdown) 2022 - 41.81 What am I doing wrong? I still think E10 was a bad idea given it's not suitable for some cars and causes more deforestation and/or more expensive land to grow food. It's basically watering down petrol but charging the same price (or more as things have turned out). Much better would've been a campaign to educate people about economic driving. Those kinds of taxi and truck drivers who are always accelerating only to use their brakes seconds later would save a fortune. My 18-year-old car is currently doing 52MPG. One thing I don't get about fuel economy is how it hasn't improved since the 1940s. There were cars doing 50MPG back then - lighter yes, but technology has come on so far that I thought fuel economy would be all-round better by now.
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Post by AlliG on Jun 11, 2022 16:13:35 GMT
I keep reading these "horror" stories about reduced fuel economy with E10 petrol. (The Daily Express seem to alternate between Princess Di conspiracy stories and E10 horror stories in their clickbait that pops up on my news feed. ) I have kept a mileage and consumption log since I brought my first car in 1978. Over the last 6 years my mileage and journey types have been pretty consistent so here is the MPG for my petrol Focus over that period: 2016 - 41.03 2017 - 41.20 2018 - 41.06 2019 - 41.77 2020 - 39.82 (reduced mileage during lockdown) 2021 - 40.41 (reduced mileage during lockdown) 2022 - 41.81 What am I doing wrong? I still think E10 was a bad idea given it's not suitable for some cars and causes more deforestation and/or more expensive land to grow food. It's basically watering down petrol but charging the same price (or more as things have turned out). Much better would've been a campaign to educate people about economic driving. Those kinds of taxi and truck drivers who are always accelerating only to use their brakes seconds later would save a fortune. My 18-year-old car is currently doing 52MPG. One thing I don't get about fuel economy is how it hasn't improved since the 1940s. There were cars doing 50MPG back then - lighter yes, but technology has come on so far that I thought fuel economy would be all-round better by now. I feel your frustration. I have had 4 2nd hand Escorts (3 x 1600 & 1 x 1800) and a 1600 Focus since 1989. My 4 Escorts had MPGs of 37.21, 38.32, 38.08 and 39.15. My Focus has an overall MPG of 40.76. Even that slight improvement could probably be put down to doing less driving around Stoke-on-Trent and certainly a lot less crawls along King Street and Victoria Road.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 11, 2022 21:05:04 GMT
Thursday I paid 183.9 a litre in Devon….today in Bluith Wells mid wales I paid 199.9 p. It’s madness….why can’t an OFGEM type organisation exist to cap fuel prices in uk
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Post by questionable on Jun 12, 2022 7:32:38 GMT
I filled my tank up yesterday with e10 and it cost £97 and there was about 60mls left in before I filled up. It told me that I had 400miles to go and I do about 600 a week. Using the wife’s Audi more as “apparently” we’re getting 45mpg, doing the normal like watching the MPG/MPH on the dash board, coasting where possible and slowing down as much as possible, well that’s until you get some knob head driving right up your arse. My car only holds 42 litres/16 gallons/average 25mpg @ £1.82 so roughly 400 miles on a full tank costing £79. Roughly if I was in the office daily I’d be spending at least £100 a week just on fuel.
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Post by franklin on Jun 12, 2022 8:13:11 GMT
I filled my tank up yesterday with e10 and it cost £97 and there was about 60mls left in before I filled up. It told me that I had 400miles to go and I do about 600 a week. Using the wife’s Audi more as “apparently” we’re getting 45mpg, doing the normal like watching the MPG/MPH on the dash board, coasting where possible and slowing down as much as possible, well that’s until you get some knob head driving right up your arse. My car only holds 42 litres/16 gallons/average 25mpg @ £1.82 so roughly 400 miles on a full tank costing £79. Roughly if I was in the office daily I’d be spending at least £100 a week just on fuel. I've a 71 plate Kia Sportage manual gearbox and thank god it's a company car and I don't pay for fuel or I'd stay retired 😅
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Post by Orbs on Jun 12, 2022 8:34:20 GMT
E10 fuel is such a scam, it doesn't last anywhere as long as standard petrol used to. Fuel companies sell it at the same price as standard petrol (before the price hikes) yet people were finding themselves filling up more often. I did a test last week with the wife, using premium petrol lasts her an extra day driving for work than E10 does. I keep reading these "horror" stories about reduced fuel economy with E10 petrol. (The Daily Express seem to alternate between Princess Di conspiracy stories and E10 horror stories in their clickbait that pops up on my news feed. ) I have kept a mileage and consumption log since I brought my first car in 1978. Over the last 6 years my mileage and journey types have been pretty consistent so here is the MPG for my petrol Focus over that period: 2016 - 41.03 2017 - 41.20 2018 - 41.06 2019 - 41.77 2020 - 39.82 (reduced mileage during lockdown) 2021 - 40.41 (reduced mileage during lockdown) 2022 - 41.81 What am I doing wrong? I’d say the main thing you’re doing wrong is spending time keeping a mileage and consumption log since 1978.
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