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Post by bassmaster on Jun 1, 2022 15:02:20 GMT
Not so much Liverpool fans as Scousers generally. Having dealt with people from most parts of the country and overseas in my experience they've a tendency to be a massive pain in the arse. It's not PC but comes from real life experience so I won't apologise for it I’ve kept off this thread until now firstly because of the inevitable spewing out of bile from some quarters towards Liverpool fans and indeed people from my region in general…. to those who’ve posted in a more balanced manner or with true context I send my genuine thanks Secondly because my own feelings and emotions are at present all over the place , having cared for and seen my mum pass away on Monday after 4 plus years of dementia including the last 9 long months of pallative care when back in September I was informed she had just days not weeks and certainly not months to live…I include that not for sympathy or empathy but for context if my aghast might be OTT and why my reactions might be defensive in the extreme. However , I find the above post as one of the most offensive posts I’ve EVER read on this board .. I’m not looking for nor seeking an apology ..I wouldn’t accept one even if one was offered .your expressed views Sir or Madame are that offensive. im not perfect , far from it , the same is true of the vast majority of Scousers , but I like to think I and we are not so dissimilar from many millions if not billions of other people on this planet.. ..we really don’t grow two heads or anything once past junction 6 on the M62. In life and my travels I’ve met and dealt with all kinds of people , they’ve come from the entire range of social , educational , monetary , religious and academic demographics. Including people from all kinds of backgrounds who’ve tried to kill me ( literally ) to people who saved my life ( literally ) from people who’ve tried to rob me to people who’ve shared with me their riches be it in pure monetary terms or the unmeasurable but even more valuable quality of time , knowledge and friendship. in life I’ve always treated and seen , or at least tried , to see people as individuals , not least when it comes to throwing insults As I say my emotions are an absolute mess at present but I’m as saddened as I’ve ever been to read such an attack in purely general terms by the above post Gutted This thread has not been worth posting on. It speaks for itself and is an embarrassment. Just to say I’m so sorry about your mum Scouse. Hard to lose anyone and especially in such circumstances. Take care. Lotta continua
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 1, 2022 15:07:30 GMT
Never read such bollox in my life. You really need to stop posting. You seem to be confusing challenging your own prejudices and justifying them, you need to more of the former. You challenge them by accepting they exist and not acting them out into discrimination. Justifying them is simply something I have no need to do whatsoever. Maybe you need to stop reading because I've no intention of not posting on your advice. That's why everyone is leaping to your defence. Let me guess, 'you don't give a fuck what anyone thinks' about you.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 1, 2022 15:14:08 GMT
You challenge them by accepting they exist and not acting them out into discrimination. Justifying them is simply something I have no need to do whatsoever. Maybe you need to stop reading because I've no intention of not posting on your advice. That's why everyone is leaping to your defence. Let me guess, 'you don't give a fuck what anyone thinks' about you. Why would I need defending for being open about the fact I have prejudices?
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 1, 2022 15:19:03 GMT
That's why everyone is leaping to your defence. Let me guess, 'you don't give a fuck what anyone thinks' about you. Why would I need defending for being open about the fact I have prejudices? It's an expression you donut, nobody is supporting your disastrous views.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 1, 2022 15:25:05 GMT
Not so much Liverpool fans as Scousers generally. Having dealt with people from most parts of the country and overseas in my experience they've a tendency to be a massive pain in the arse. It's not PC but comes from real life experience so I won't apologise for it I’ve kept off this thread until now firstly because of the inevitable spewing out of bile from some quarters towards Liverpool fans and indeed people from my region in general…. to those who’ve posted in a more balanced manner or with true context I send my genuine thanks Secondly because my own feelings and emotions are at present all over the place , having cared for and seen my mum pass away on Monday after 4 plus years of dementia including the last 9 long months of pallative care when back in September I was informed she had just days not weeks and certainly not months to live…I include that not for sympathy or empathy but for context if my aghast might be OTT and why my reactions might be defensive in the extreme. However , I find the above post as one of the most offensive posts I’ve EVER read on this board .. I’m not looking for nor seeking an apology ..I wouldn’t accept one even if one was offered .your expressed views Sir or Madame are that offensive. im not perfect , far from it , the same is true of the vast majority of Scousers , but I like to think I and we are not so dissimilar from many millions if not billions of other people on this planet.. ..we really don’t grow two heads or anything once past junction 6 on the M62. In life and my travels I’ve met and dealt with all kinds of people , they’ve come from the entire range of social , educational , monetary , religious and academic demographics. Including people from all kinds of backgrounds who’ve tried to kill me ( literally ) to people who saved my life ( literally ) from people who’ve tried to rob me to people who’ve shared with me their riches be it in pure monetary terms or the unmeasurable but even more valuable quality of time , knowledge and friendship. in life I’ve always treated and seen , or at least tried , to see people as individuals , not least when it comes to throwing insults As I say my emotions are an absolute mess at present but I’m as saddened as I’ve ever been to read such an attack in purely general terms by the above post Gutted Only just seen this really sorry for your loss. People are people the world over, generally just trying to do the best they can to look after their friends and family, some good and some not so good. Half of my wife's family are from Liverpool (albeit the blue side) and a more welcoming, friendly set of people you couldn't wish to meet. The city of Liverpool has faced adversity over the last century well before the likes of the Hillsborough tragedy and rightly in my opinion shows a cynicism towards the establishment that if more people had would see this country being a fairer and more equal one. The city stands out amongst others for that reason in my opinion and is one of my favourite places to visit and for a night out.............
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 1, 2022 15:28:58 GMT
Why would I need defending for being open about the fact I have prejudices? It's an expression you donut, nobody is supporting your disastrous views. What's disasterous about them? Plenty have expressed similar opinions based on generalisation. Who's attacking them apart from a slack handful of people with self confessed links to Liverpool. I have no problem with prejudices everyone has them.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 1, 2022 15:36:01 GMT
It's an expression you donut, nobody is supporting your disastrous views. What's disasterous about them? Plenty have expressed similar opinions based on generalisation. Who's attacking them apart from a slack handful of people with self confessed links to Liverpool. I have no problem with prejudices everyone has them. I think this particular prejudice promo drive has run its course tbh
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 1, 2022 15:54:01 GMT
What's disasterous about them? Plenty have expressed similar opinions based on generalisation. Who's attacking them apart from a slack handful of people with self confessed links to Liverpool. I have no problem with prejudices everyone has them. I think this particular prejudice promo drive has run its course tbh Honestly, been going on for days.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 1, 2022 16:08:43 GMT
What's disasterous about them? Plenty have expressed similar opinions based on generalisation. Who's attacking them apart from a slack handful of people with self confessed links to Liverpool. I have no problem with prejudices everyone has them. I think this particular prejudice promo drive has run its course tbh I think he's after a gold star or a pat on the back for being openly prejudice.........
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Post by Davef on Jun 2, 2022 10:33:50 GMT
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Post by werrington on Jun 2, 2022 16:54:01 GMT
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Post by callas12 on Jun 2, 2022 22:39:36 GMT
The most noticeable thing is nearly all of the original posters who couldn’t wait to jump on this thread with their predetermined bollocks have all now fucked off as there wishful events of Saturday night have been shown up for what they are Sad really that they’ve slinked off without so much as “fuck me i got that wrong” but they’ll be back just awaiting the next time Pathetic and embarrassing Some people also just know when to walk away from a discussion as often there's no point in debating things with people who have totally opposite views on subjects when theres absolutely nothing to gain from thrashing out those differences even further. As we did, sometimes its best to agree to disagree being the best option & way to conclude things. If you see that as people slinking off & being pathetic & embarrassing then that says more about your bias & opinions than the whole scenario in focus. I'd of been more than happy to continue our conversation but there's no point? Sometimes knowing when to leave things be is the best & most sensible option to choose. On most topics on here I actually agree with your view point on things, on this matter I didn't. You had your reasons for thinking what you do as do I. Me and Crouch potato who generally agree and get along with most things, disagreed quite openly over covid issues. But there was no point debating things to the enth degree as we simply had differing opinions on something. Certainly can't answer for others you may be referring to but I certainly havent changed my viewpoint or slinked off anywhere regarding this thread subject.. I respected your viewpoint despite the fact it differed to mine, & there was no winning or losing to be had in this discussion, we just had differing opinions.
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Post by werrington on Jun 3, 2022 5:36:12 GMT
The most noticeable thing is nearly all of the original posters who couldn’t wait to jump on this thread with their predetermined bollocks have all now fucked off as there wishful events of Saturday night have been shown up for what they are Sad really that they’ve slinked off without so much as “fuck me i got that wrong” but they’ll be back just awaiting the next time Pathetic and embarrassing Some people also just know when to walk away from a discussion as often there's no point in debating things with people who have totally opposite views on subjects when theres absolutely nothing to gain from thrashing out those differences even further. As we did, sometimes its best to agree to disagree being the best option & way to conclude things. If you see that as people slinking off & being pathetic & embarrassing then that says more about your bias & opinions than the whole scenario in focus. I'd of been more than happy to continue our conversation but there's no point? Sometimes knowing when to leave things be is the best & most sensible option to choose. On most topics on here I actually agree with your view point on things, on this matter I didn't. You had your reasons for thinking what you do as do I. Me and Crouch potato who generally agree and get along with most things, disagreed quite openly over covid issues. But there was no point debating things to the enth degree as we simply had differing opinions on something. Certainly can't answer for others you may be referring to but I certainly havent changed my viewpoint or slinked off anywhere regarding this thread subject.. I respected your viewpoint despite the fact it differed to mine, & there was no winning or losing to be had in this discussion, we just had differing opinions. Fair dos callas but I was dealing in facts not fiction whereas numerous people on here were dealing in nothing more than what they wanted to be the truth and when it became apparent it wasn’t going their way they disappeared until the next time …..this one was inside the stadium, nobody ticketless and nobody arriving late which according to the authorities was the reason behind the police actions It’s a disgrace
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 3, 2022 7:06:01 GMT
The most noticeable thing is nearly all of the original posters who couldn’t wait to jump on this thread with their predetermined bollocks have all now fucked off as there wishful events of Saturday night have been shown up for what they are Sad really that they’ve slinked off without so much as “fuck me i got that wrong” but they’ll be back just awaiting the next time Pathetic and embarrassing Some people also just know when to walk away from a discussion as often there's no point in debating things with people who have totally opposite views on subjects when theres absolutely nothing to gain from thrashing out those differences even further. As we did, sometimes its best to agree to disagree being the best option & way to conclude things. If you see that as people slinking off & being pathetic & embarrassing then that says more about your bias & opinions than the whole scenario in focus. I'd of been more than happy to continue our conversation but there's no point? Sometimes knowing when to leave things be is the best & most sensible option to choose. On most topics on here I actually agree with your view point on things, on this matter I didn't. You had your reasons for thinking what you do as do I. Me and Crouch potato who generally agree and get along with most things, disagreed quite openly over covid issues. But there was no point debating things to the enth degree as we simply had differing opinions on something. Certainly can't answer for others you may be referring to but I certainly havent changed my viewpoint or slinked off anywhere regarding this thread subject.. I respected your viewpoint despite the fact it differed to mine, & there was no winning or losing to be had in this discussion, we just had differing opinions. I’m not sure if I’m one of those posters being referred to in Werrington’s post as my posts are generally pretty tame. Looking back I had a view that I believed was right at the time and still do eg the over aggressiveness of the French Police (I don’t believe that’s ever been in quesrion). That said there are some points that until a investigation is fully complete (which it needs to be) eg the forged tickets that need to confirm exactly what happened. However from a British media perspective they are certainly leaning to the fault being that of the French which I’m happy to accept if that’s the final conclusion (and hold my hands up). I think Callas’s post is bang on the money in that ultimately this is a fans forum where people are going to have alternative views, that people will have disagreements on. Even if people disagree the thread never needs to get abusive or personal however differing peoples views are. Clearly Liverpool FC and it’s fans are something that you care very passionately about and will defend to the end of the earth (in a way that I do on other subjects close to me) which is admirable. The reality is that not everyone else will have the same passion for the subject so they’re not going to want to prove their point or apologise for getting what they’ve said wrong so they’ll just leave the thread because they just don’t care as much. That’s life I guess.
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Post by werrington on Jun 3, 2022 7:25:56 GMT
Some people also just know when to walk away from a discussion as often there's no point in debating things with people who have totally opposite views on subjects when theres absolutely nothing to gain from thrashing out those differences even further. As we did, sometimes its best to agree to disagree being the best option & way to conclude things. If you see that as people slinking off & being pathetic & embarrassing then that says more about your bias & opinions than the whole scenario in focus. I'd of been more than happy to continue our conversation but there's no point? Sometimes knowing when to leave things be is the best & most sensible option to choose. On most topics on here I actually agree with your view point on things, on this matter I didn't. You had your reasons for thinking what you do as do I. Me and Crouch potato who generally agree and get along with most things, disagreed quite openly over covid issues. But there was no point debating things to the enth degree as we simply had differing opinions on something. Certainly can't answer for others you may be referring to but I certainly havent changed my viewpoint or slinked off anywhere regarding this thread subject.. I respected your viewpoint despite the fact it differed to mine, & there was no winning or losing to be had in this discussion, we just had differing opinions. I’m not sure if I’m one of those posters being referred to in Werrington’s post as my posts are generally pretty tame. Looking back I had a view that I believed was right at the time and still do eg the over aggressiveness of the French Police (I don’t believe that’s ever been in quesrion). That said there are some points that until a investigation is fully complete (which it needs to be) eg the forged tickets that need to confirm exactly what happened. However from a British media perspective they are certainly leaning to the fault being that of the French which I’m happy to accept if that’s the final conclusion (and hold my hands up). I think Callas’s post is bang on the money in that ultimately this is a fans forum where people are going to have alternative views, that people will have disagreements on. Even if people disagree the thread never needs to get abusive or personal however differing peoples views are. Clearly Liverpool FC and it’s fans are something that you care very passionately about and will defend to the end of the earth (in a way that I do on other subjects close to me) which is admirable. The reality is that not everyone else will have the same passion for the subject so they’re not going to want to prove their point or apologise for getting what they’ve said wrong so they’ll just leave the thread because they just don’t care as much. That’s life I guess. No mate I defend right over wrong It’s not Liverpool FC per se it’s the absolute vitriol I read on here towards the people and it’s city that gets me If the stuff what is said was said about the black or Asian communities would you find that an opinion also? I’ll pretty much guarantee you and the others would stay away from it as you know why ….you’d rightly find it it offensive, repulsive and not acceptable but the city and the whole people of Liverpool are seemingly free game for its….It’s pathetic and offensive and if you deem it an opinion then that’s a sorry state of affairs Have a think about that
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 3, 2022 8:12:32 GMT
I’m not sure if I’m one of those posters being referred to in Werrington’s post as my posts are generally pretty tame. Looking back I had a view that I believed was right at the time and still do eg the over aggressiveness of the French Police (I don’t believe that’s ever been in quesrion). That said there are some points that until a investigation is fully complete (which it needs to be) eg the forged tickets that need to confirm exactly what happened. However from a British media perspective they are certainly leaning to the fault being that of the French which I’m happy to accept if that’s the final conclusion (and hold my hands up). I think Callas’s post is bang on the money in that ultimately this is a fans forum where people are going to have alternative views, that people will have disagreements on. Even if people disagree the thread never needs to get abusive or personal however differing peoples views are. Clearly Liverpool FC and it’s fans are something that you care very passionately about and will defend to the end of the earth (in a way that I do on other subjects close to me) which is admirable. The reality is that not everyone else will have the same passion for the subject so they’re not going to want to prove their point or apologise for getting what they’ve said wrong so they’ll just leave the thread because they just don’t care as much. That’s life I guess. No mate I defend right over wrong It’s not Liverpool FC per se it’s the absolute vitriol I read on here towards the people and it’s city that gets me If the stuff what is said was said about the black or Asian communities would you find that an opinion also? I’ll pretty much guarantee you and the others would stay away from it as you know why ….you’d rightly find it it offensive, repulsive and not acceptable but the city and the whole people of Liverpool are seemingly free game for its….It’s pathetic and offensive Have a think about that Fair enough. I get what you’re saying and you’re quite right people should be judged as individuals but Liverpudlians aren’t alone as being put under a banner and everyone’s guilty of it me included. That same sort of prejudice could be bought into most communities, cultures or organisations. The Royal family being a classic case with people using the Prince Andrew stick to beat the Queen with. I’m sure that there’s plenty using him that would be defending others for similar prejudice on other issues. The Port Vale thread was another classic example (I kept well away from that one). No one’s perfect and we’re all going to develop opinions based on experience which of course is wrong as you should judge individuals on merit rather than prejudging them. No one’s perfect but let’s not forget it’s only a message board and not real life.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 3, 2022 8:19:09 GMT
I’m not sure if I’m one of those posters being referred to in Werrington’s post as my posts are generally pretty tame. Looking back I had a view that I believed was right at the time and still do eg the over aggressiveness of the French Police (I don’t believe that’s ever been in quesrion). That said there are some points that until a investigation is fully complete (which it needs to be) eg the forged tickets that need to confirm exactly what happened. However from a British media perspective they are certainly leaning to the fault being that of the French which I’m happy to accept if that’s the final conclusion (and hold my hands up). I think Callas’s post is bang on the money in that ultimately this is a fans forum where people are going to have alternative views, that people will have disagreements on. Even if people disagree the thread never needs to get abusive or personal however differing peoples views are. Clearly Liverpool FC and it’s fans are something that you care very passionately about and will defend to the end of the earth (in a way that I do on other subjects close to me) which is admirable. The reality is that not everyone else will have the same passion for the subject so they’re not going to want to prove their point or apologise for getting what they’ve said wrong so they’ll just leave the thread because they just don’t care as much. That’s life I guess. No mate I defend right over wrong It’s not Liverpool FC per se it’s the absolute vitriol I read on here towards the people and it’s city that gets me If the stuff what is said was said about the black or Asian communities would you find that an opinion also? I’ll pretty much guarantee you and the others would stay away from it as you know why ….you’d rightly find it it offensive, repulsive and not acceptable but the city and the whole people of Liverpool are seemingly free game for its….It’s pathetic and offensive and if you deem it an opinion then that’s a sorry state of affairs Have a think about that That’s bollox an absolute shit load of people have generalised negative opinions on blacks, Asians, Muslims, Women, non heterosexuals etc etc etc and in those groups high proportions also have generalised negative views on other groups. Laws are in our place to outlaw discrimination and spreading of hatred. Humans will always have prejudices and the laws to stop them being acted out in a harmful way are adequate. Trying to eradicate prejudice is a futile as trying to stop the tide coming in.
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Post by werrington on Jun 3, 2022 8:25:19 GMT
No mate I defend right over wrong It’s not Liverpool FC per se it’s the absolute vitriol I read on here towards the people and it’s city that gets me If the stuff what is said was said about the black or Asian communities would you find that an opinion also? I’ll pretty much guarantee you and the others would stay away from it as you know why ….you’d rightly find it it offensive, repulsive and not acceptable but the city and the whole people of Liverpool are seemingly free game for its….It’s pathetic and offensive and if you deem it an opinion then that’s a sorry state of affairs Have a think about that That’s bollox an absolute shit load of people have generalised negative opinions on blacks, Asians, Muslims, Women, non heterosexuals etc etc etc and in those groups high proportions also have generalised negative views on other groups. Laws are in our place to outlaw discrimination and spreading of hatred. Humans will always have prejudices and the laws to stop them being acted out in a harmful way are adequate. Trying to eradicate prejudice is a futile as trying to stop the tide coming in. And here he comes …..As usual he’s missed the point Are they allowed to put them on public forums ….NO
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 3, 2022 8:27:50 GMT
That’s bollox an absolute shit load of people have generalised negative opinions on blacks, Asians, Muslims, Women, non heterosexuals etc etc etc and in those groups high proportions also have generalised negative views on other groups. Laws are in our place to outlaw discrimination and spreading of hatred. Humans will always have prejudices and the laws to stop them being acted out in a harmful way are adequate. Trying to eradicate prejudice is a futile as trying to stop the tide coming in. And here he comes …..As usual he’s missed the point Are they allowed to put them on public forums ….NO Why on earth do you think they aren’t. It’s perfectly legal to say you don’t like black people.
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 3, 2022 10:25:59 GMT
Well this thread took a turn…..
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Post by ceejays on Jun 3, 2022 11:34:54 GMT
I’ve not read the previous 24 pages of this thread so my opinion isn’t tarnished by anyone. It does seem to me that the issue with Liverpool is one of cause and effect. Scousers will cry foul at the effects or consequences of events . That of course is undeniable. However what is the cause ? Is it not that unlike any other club the fans turn up for ticketed matches in their thousands without tickets ? In this instance Klopp himself encouraged fans to go to Paris without tickets and enjoy themselves. He quoted Borussia Dortmund where having advised similar trouble ensued . On this occasion he said Paris is big enough to cater for thousands without tickets. I turned to the wife and said trouble ahead . Does he not understand history ? Liverpool FC should tell the fans to STAY AT HOME and enjoy the match at home . We now have Port Vale v Liverpool 1964 ( forgotten) Hillsboro and Paris where fans turned up in their thousands without tickets. In a way scousers are their own worst enemy. Moreover the distraction that this caused in Paris cannot possibly have helped the team on the night. Overall this gives rise to the victim debate. Always the victim never to blame . They are to blame because they turn up in their thousands without tickets. The consequences are self inflicted. The club needs to send a different message. STAY AT HOME
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 3, 2022 11:43:17 GMT
I’ve not read the previous 24 pages of this thread so my opinion isn’t tarnished by anyone. It does seem to me that the issue with Liverpool is one of cause and effect. Scousers will cry foul at the effects or consequences of events . That of course is undeniable. However what is the cause ? Is it not that unlike any other club the fans turn up for ticketed matches in their thousands without tickets ? In this instance Klopp himself encouraged fans to go to Paris without tickets and enjoy themselves. He quoted Borussia Dortmund where having advised similar trouble ensued . On this occasion he said Paris is big enough to cater for thousands without tickets. I turned to the wife and said trouble ahead . Does he not understand history ? Liverpool FC should tell the fans to STAY AT HOME and enjoy the match at home . We now have Port Vale v Liverpool 1964 ( forgotten) Hillsboro and Paris where fans turned up in their thousands without tickets. In a way scousers are their own worst enemy. Moreover the distraction that this caused in Paris cannot possibly have helped the team on the night. Overall this gives rise to the victim debate. Always the victim never to blame . They are to blame because they turn up in their thousands without tickets. The consequences are self inflicted. The club needs to send a different message. STAY AT HOME AND HAVE A PARTY.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 3, 2022 12:22:29 GMT
"Real Madrid have asked for answers into the "series of unfortunate events" at the Champions League final against Liverpool in Paris on 28 May.
They also want to know why the Stade de France was chosen for the game and who is "responsible for leaving the fans abandoned and defenceless".
"Football has transmitted an image to the world which is far away from the values and goals which it should pursue," said a Real Madrid statement."
So its not just Liverpool then, that puts that one to bed.
In their statement, Real Madrid cited "unfortunate events" which took place "in the surroundings of and at access points to the Stade de France, and even inside the stadium itself" and that their fans "were victim to said events".
They added: "We would like to know the reasons which led to this venue being chosen to host the final and the criteria used, taking into account the experiences of the day.
"Furthermore, we call for answers and explanations in order to determine those responsible for leaving the fans abandoned and defenceless. Fans who in general terms showed exemplary conduct at all times."
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 3, 2022 12:26:03 GMT
"Real Madrid have asked for answers into the "series of unfortunate events" at the Champions League final against Liverpool in Paris on 28 May.
They also want to know why the Stade de France was chosen for the game and who is "responsible for leaving the fans abandoned and defenceless".
"Football has transmitted an image to the world which is far away from the values and goals which it should pursue," said a Real Madrid statement."
So its not just Liverpool then, that puts that one to bed. So basically, he’s just been a cunt for cunt’s sake for ten pages/all week.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 3, 2022 13:03:22 GMT
"Real Madrid have asked for answers into the "series of unfortunate events" at the Champions League final against Liverpool in Paris on 28 May.
They also want to know why the Stade de France was chosen for the game and who is "responsible for leaving the fans abandoned and defenceless".
"Football has transmitted an image to the world which is far away from the values and goals which it should pursue," said a Real Madrid statement."
So its not just Liverpool then, that puts that one to bed. So basically, he’s just been a cunt for cunt’s sake for ten pages/all week. Further in the Real Madrid statement " "As was evident in the revealing images published by the media, several fans were attacked, harassed, assaulted and robbed in violent fashion.
"These occurrences continued as they moved in their cars or busses, causing concern for their physical wellbeing. Certain fans even had to spend the night in hospital as a result of injuries."
The club added: "Our fans and supporters deserve a response and those responsible to be held accountable in order for events like these to be eradicated from football and sport in general."
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Post by richardparker on Jun 3, 2022 13:03:45 GMT
I’ve not read the previous 24 pages of this thread so my opinion isn’t tarnished by anyone. It does seem to me that the issue with Liverpool is one of cause and effect. Scousers will cry foul at the effects or consequences of events . That of course is undeniable. However what is the cause ? Is it not that unlike any other club the fans turn up for ticketed matches in their thousands without tickets ? In this instance Klopp himself encouraged fans to go to Paris without tickets and enjoy themselves. He quoted Borussia Dortmund where having advised similar trouble ensued . On this occasion he said Paris is big enough to cater for thousands without tickets. I turned to the wife and said trouble ahead . Does he not understand history ? Liverpool FC should tell the fans to STAY AT HOME and enjoy the match at home . We now have Port Vale v Liverpool 1964 ( forgotten) Hillsboro and Paris where fans turned up in their thousands without tickets. In a way scousers are their own worst enemy. Moreover the distraction that this caused in Paris cannot possibly have helped the team on the night. Overall this gives rise to the victim debate. Always the victim never to blame . They are to blame because they turn up in their thousands without tickets. The consequences are self inflicted. The club needs to send a different message. STAY AT HOME Shame you didn't read the previous 24 pages! All your points have been already made and discussed. I just wasted time reading your post.
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Post by richardparker on Jun 3, 2022 13:12:05 GMT
No mate I defend right over wrong It’s not Liverpool FC per se it’s the absolute vitriol I read on here towards the people and it’s city that gets me If the stuff what is said was said about the black or Asian communities would you find that an opinion also? I’ll pretty much guarantee you and the others would stay away from it as you know why ….you’d rightly find it it offensive, repulsive and not acceptable but the city and the whole people of Liverpool are seemingly free game for its….It’s pathetic and offensive Have a think about that Fair enough. I get what you’re saying and you’re quite right people should be judged as individuals but Liverpudlians aren’t alone as being put under a banner and everyone’s guilty of it me included. That same sort of prejudice could be bought into most communities, cultures or organisations. The Royal family being a classic case with people using the Prince Andrew stick to beat the Queen with. I’m sure that there’s plenty using him that would be defending others for similar prejudice on other issues. The Port Vale thread was another classic example (I kept well away from that one). No one’s perfect and we’re all going to develop opinions based on experience which of course is wrong as you should judge individuals on merit rather than prejudging them. No one’s perfect but let’s not forget it’s only a message board and not real life. Don't think you should be bringing the Queen/Prince Andrew into this discussion! The Royal family have bailed out Prince Andrew to the tune of £12m (of tax payers' money) to keep him out of jail and preserve their dubious institution from further scandal. The Queen gets it, as she put personal interests before justice!
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 3, 2022 13:20:28 GMT
I’ve not read the previous 24 pages of this thread so my opinion isn’t tarnished by anyone. It does seem to me that the issue with Liverpool is one of cause and effect. Scousers will cry foul at the effects or consequences of events . That of course is undeniable. However what is the cause ? Is it not that unlike any other club the fans turn up for ticketed matches in their thousands without tickets ? In this instance Klopp himself encouraged fans to go to Paris without tickets and enjoy themselves. He quoted Borussia Dortmund where having advised similar trouble ensued . On this occasion he said Paris is big enough to cater for thousands without tickets. I turned to the wife and said trouble ahead . Does he not understand history ? Liverpool FC should tell the fans to STAY AT HOME and enjoy the match at home . We now have Port Vale v Liverpool 1964 ( forgotten) Hillsboro and Paris where fans turned up in their thousands without tickets. In a way scousers are their own worst enemy. Moreover the distraction that this caused in Paris cannot possibly have helped the team on the night. Overall this gives rise to the victim debate. Always the victim never to blame . They are to blame because they turn up in their thousands without tickets. The consequences are self inflicted. The club needs to send a different message. STAY AT HOME Hillsborough?
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Post by lordb on Jun 3, 2022 13:35:10 GMT
I’ve not read the previous 24 pages of this thread so my opinion isn’t tarnished by anyone. It does seem to me that the issue with Liverpool is one of cause and effect. Scousers will cry foul at the effects or consequences of events . That of course is undeniable. However what is the cause ? Is it not that unlike any other club the fans turn up for ticketed matches in their thousands without tickets ? In this instance Klopp himself encouraged fans to go to Paris without tickets and enjoy themselves. He quoted Borussia Dortmund where having advised similar trouble ensued . On this occasion he said Paris is big enough to cater for thousands without tickets. I turned to the wife and said trouble ahead . Does he not understand history ? Liverpool FC should tell the fans to STAY AT HOME and enjoy the match at home . We now have Port Vale v Liverpool 1964 ( forgotten) Hillsboro and Paris where fans turned up in their thousands without tickets. In a way scousers are their own worst enemy. Moreover the distraction that this caused in Paris cannot possibly have helped the team on the night. Overall this gives rise to the victim debate. Always the victim never to blame . They are to blame because they turn up in their thousands without tickets. The consequences are self inflicted. The club needs to send a different message. STAY AT HOME To state that thousands turned up without tickets for Hillsborough is not only a lie as established by the Taylor report but was propogated by the police and by the government (Bernard Ingham repeated this lie many times) as part of their cover up/refusal to accept responsibility. That isn't opinion it's established fact. What is opinion, but I'll stand by it, is that far too many football fans happily join in with this war on the working class, it's an enormous own goal.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 3, 2022 13:50:00 GMT
Some people also just know when to walk away from a discussion as often there's no point in debating things with people who have totally opposite views on subjects when theres absolutely nothing to gain from thrashing out those differences even further. As we did, sometimes its best to agree to disagree being the best option & way to conclude things. If you see that as people slinking off & being pathetic & embarrassing then that says more about your bias & opinions than the whole scenario in focus. I'd of been more than happy to continue our conversation but there's no point? Sometimes knowing when to leave things be is the best & most sensible option to choose. On most topics on here I actually agree with your view point on things, on this matter I didn't. You had your reasons for thinking what you do as do I. Me and Crouch potato who generally agree and get along with most things, disagreed quite openly over covid issues. But there was no point debating things to the enth degree as we simply had differing opinions on something. Certainly can't answer for others you may be referring to but I certainly havent changed my viewpoint or slinked off anywhere regarding this thread subject.. I respected your viewpoint despite the fact it differed to mine, & there was no winning or losing to be had in this discussion, we just had differing opinions. Fair dos callas but I was dealing in facts not fiction whereas numerous people on here were dealing in nothing more than what they wanted to be the truth and when it became apparent it wasn’t going their way they disappeared until the next time …..this one was inside the stadium, nobody ticketless and nobody arriving late which according to the authorities was the reason behind the police actions It’s a disgrace spot on mate
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