|
Post by lordb on Jun 13, 2022 13:47:48 GMT
Remember Butland in that game away at Preston. He was embarrassingly bad. They were having shots from everywhere. I don't recall any Stoke player slip in standards as badly as Butland did. It was almost like watching two totally different players in the same body. he was possibly the best Stoke keeper I've seen after replacing Begovic up to his injury with England I didn't think he was anywhere nears good when he came back but he wasn't that bad either, just that one obvious clanger at Leicester & a less obvious one at West Ham, that was it he ended up being the third worst keeper I've seen once we we're relegated with clanger after clanger after clanger horrible nice chap too
|
|
|
Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jun 13, 2022 15:39:05 GMT
He's off to Norwich..aha!!
|
|
|
Post by svengaliinplatforms on Jun 13, 2022 15:47:04 GMT
Go onto YouTube, search 'Jack Butland's mistakes', they are there in all their glory*, and there are notable ones missing, that I can think of, also.
That'll end the 'better than what we have' argument in about 3 minutes.
|
|
|
Post by willieeetmiout on Jun 13, 2022 22:24:59 GMT
No better and no worse than Shawcross who seems to escape any criticism Errrm okay, that's an interesting reply, do you mean the injured Shawcross that was struggling come the end or do you mean the Shawcross that captained the team for many many years and was an absolute rock for us? I mean the Shawcross that was poor in our relegation and first relegated season following an inability to overcome an injury. I am also on about the Butland who was rightly England's number 1 whilst he played for us but was poor following an inability to overcome an injury. Two players under very similar circumstances who are treated very very differently without any real justification.
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 13, 2022 22:47:38 GMT
Errrm okay, that's an interesting reply, do you mean the injured Shawcross that was struggling come the end or do you mean the Shawcross that captained the team for many many years and was an absolute rock for us? I mean the Shawcross that was poor in our relegation and first relegated season following an inability to overcome an injury. I am also on about the Butland who was rightly England's number 1 whilst he played for us but was poor following an inability to overcome an injury. Two players under very similar circumstances who are treated very very differently without any real justification. I think you're glossing over Butlands situation tbh, he had plenty of time to get over his injury, one that as far as I know wasn't career ending, and had every chance to find his form again. They get treated differently because one is a club legend and one is far from.
|
|
|
Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 14, 2022 15:56:24 GMT
We have a keeper who is on the way up, we don't want one who is on his way down.
|
|
|
Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 14, 2022 16:31:59 GMT
Do you not remember how bad he was? No better and no worse than Shawcross who seems to escape any criticism It's nothing to do with who does/doesn't get criticism, you dullard....it's about you thinking Butland should come back now. People can worship the very ground that Ryan walks on 24 hours a day if they want..in fact fuck it, they can put a shrine up to him and go full cult love in for the man for all i care BUT the difference between Ryan and Jack on this thread (and it's fucking obvious to literally everyone else....but as you're struggling...) is that NONE of those people who can't see any fault in Shawcross on this thread, NOT A SINGLE ONE has said they want him to come back and play for us next season. Both had injuries to overcome. Butland's was one that most players overcome in 2-3 months.He either never has overcome it in 6 years, or his abject and total shitness is down to something else. Do we want someone that utterly shit back now? Fuck no!! He was shit then and hasn't been any better at anywhere else since, nothing to do with how popular he was/wasn't with the fans, just a very obvious footballing decision i.e. he isn't good enough anymore. Shawcross' was one that can (and did) end player's careers. Due to that, he was shit at the end for us. Do we want someone as aged and crocked as him back now? Fuck no, also!! He was past it at this level(which is why he moved on), nothing to with how polular he was with the fans, just a very obvious footballing decision i.e. he isn't good enough anymore.. You can crack on with your strawman, kindergarten level of logic bullshit and put the level of criticism Butland and Shawcross receive on here up against each as much as you want, but you continuing to do that doesn't actually change the fact it's 100% irrelevant to the thread (or even the point you're making about Butland coming back). Do we want either to come back and play now? No...how liked they are/aren't for what they did for us in the past and how much criticism they got compared to each other is utterly and completely irrelevant. Neither are good enough anymore and even people in love with Ryan would agree to that. I'm pretty sure if someone suggested having Shawcross back in the first team, even the most ardent Ryan fan wouldn't want him playing. It's that simple and you saying "Aww but no-one slagged off Ryan as much, so that must therefore somehow, in some bizarre way mean Butland is good enough" won't change that. What Ryan did or didn't for us has literally zero relevance to whether or not Butland was an utter liability for 2 seasons before he went and whether he should come back now, you tool
|
|
|
Post by boltonstokie on Jun 14, 2022 16:33:01 GMT
We have a keeper who is on the way up, we don't want one who is on his way down. No we don’t. He’s rubbish and won’t play at championship level much longer.
|
|
|
Post by fraybentos on Jun 14, 2022 16:55:15 GMT
We have a keeper who is on the way up, we don't want one who is on his way down. No we don’t. He’s rubbish and won’t play at championship level much longer. heard he's off anyway
|
|
|
Post by willieeetmiout on Jun 14, 2022 17:22:56 GMT
No better and no worse than Shawcross who seems to escape any criticism It's nothing to do with who does/doesn't get criticism, you dullard....it's about you thinking Butland should come back now. People can worship the very ground that Ryan walks on 24 hours a day if they want..in fact fuck it, they can put a shrine up to him and go full cult love in for the man for all i care BUT the difference between Ryan and Jack on this thread (and it's fucking obvious to literally everyone else....but as you're struggling...) is that NONE of those people who can't see any fault in Shawcross on this thread, NOT A SINGLE ONE has said they want him to come back and play for us next season. Both had injuries to overcome. Butland's was one that most players overcome in 2-3 months.He either never has overcome it in 6 years, or his abject and total shitness is down to something else. Do we want someone that utterly shit back now? Fuck no!! He was shit then and hasn't been any better at anywhere else since, nothing to do with how popular he was/wasn't with the fans, just a very obvious footballing decision i.e. he isn't good enough anymore. Shawcross' was one that can (and did) end player's careers. Due to that, he was shit at the end for us. Do we want someone as aged and crocked as him back now? Fuck no, also!! He was past it at this level(which is why he moved on), nothing to with how polular he was with the fans, just a very obvious footballing decision i.e. he isn't good enough anymore.. You can crack on with your strawman, kindergarten level of logic bullshit and put the level of criticism Butland and Shawcross receive on here up against each as much as you want, but you continuing to do that doesn't actually change the fact it's 100% irrelevant to the thread (or even the point you're making about Butland coming back). Do we want either to come back and play now? No...how liked they are/aren't for what they did for us in the past and how much criticism they got compared to each other is utterly and completely irrelevant. Neither are good enough anymore and even people in love with Ryan would agree to that. I'm pretty sure if someone suggested having Shawcross back in the first team, even the most ardent Ryan fan wouldn't want him playing. It's that simple and you saying "Aww but no-one slagged off Ryan as much, so that must therefore somehow, in some bizarre way mean Butland is good enough" won't change that. What Ryan did or didn't for us has literally zero relevance to whether or not Butland was an utter liability for 2 seasons before he went and whether he should come back now, you tool Where have I said I want him back? I was merely pointing out he gets heavily criticised for his performances whereas as others, such as Shawcross, do not. Thanks for the insults though. Really mature. In fact I'd be slightly embarrassed if I were you.
|
|
|
Post by Do it for dobing on Jun 14, 2022 18:07:46 GMT
We have a keeper who is on the way up, we don't want one who is on his way down. We would like to think so but if he performs like he did last season we are in big trouble ,he hardly saved a shot
|
|
|
Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 14, 2022 18:22:09 GMT
It's nothing to do with who does/doesn't get criticism, you dullard....it's about you thinking Butland should come back now. People can worship the very ground that Ryan walks on 24 hours a day if they want..in fact fuck it, they can put a shrine up to him and go full cult love in for the man for all i care BUT the difference between Ryan and Jack on this thread (and it's fucking obvious to literally everyone else....but as you're struggling...) is that NONE of those people who can't see any fault in Shawcross on this thread, NOT A SINGLE ONE has said they want him to come back and play for us next season. Both had injuries to overcome. Butland's was one that most players overcome in 2-3 months.He either never has overcome it in 6 years, or his abject and total shitness is down to something else. Do we want someone that utterly shit back now? Fuck no!! He was shit then and hasn't been any better at anywhere else since, nothing to do with how popular he was/wasn't with the fans, just a very obvious footballing decision i.e. he isn't good enough anymore. Shawcross' was one that can (and did) end player's careers. Due to that, he was shit at the end for us. Do we want someone as aged and crocked as him back now? Fuck no, also!! He was past it at this level(which is why he moved on), nothing to with how polular he was with the fans, just a very obvious footballing decision i.e. he isn't good enough anymore.. You can crack on with your strawman, kindergarten level of logic bullshit and put the level of criticism Butland and Shawcross receive on here up against each as much as you want, but you continuing to do that doesn't actually change the fact it's 100% irrelevant to the thread (or even the point you're making about Butland coming back). Do we want either to come back and play now? No...how liked they are/aren't for what they did for us in the past and how much criticism they got compared to each other is utterly and completely irrelevant. Neither are good enough anymore and even people in love with Ryan would agree to that. I'm pretty sure if someone suggested having Shawcross back in the first team, even the most ardent Ryan fan wouldn't want him playing. It's that simple and you saying "Aww but no-one slagged off Ryan as much, so that must therefore somehow, in some bizarre way mean Butland is good enough" won't change that. What Ryan did or didn't for us has literally zero relevance to whether or not Butland was an utter liability for 2 seasons before he went and whether he should come back now, you tool Where have I said I want him back? I was merely pointing out he gets heavily criticised for his performances whereas as others, such as Shawcross, do not. Thanks for the insults though. Really mature. In fact I'd be slightly embarrassed if I were you. Embarrassed to be as determined (as you clearly are,for no apparent reason) in slagging off a club legend, when he has literally nothing at all whatsoever in any way, shape or form to do with the thread? Yeah, you should be! Thanks for your input, Mrs. Butland.
|
|
|
Post by willieeetmiout on Jun 14, 2022 18:42:21 GMT
Where have I said I want him back? I was merely pointing out he gets heavily criticised for his performances whereas as others, such as Shawcross, do not. Thanks for the insults though. Really mature. In fact I'd be slightly embarrassed if I were you. Embarrassed to be as determined (as you clearly are,for no apparent reason) in slagging off a club legend, when he has literally nothing at all whatsoever in any way, shape or form to do with the thread? Yeah, you should be! Thanks for your input, Mrs. Butland. What a sad, sad man you are. Grow up.
|
|
|
Post by boltonstokie on Jun 14, 2022 19:50:52 GMT
No we don’t. He’s rubbish and won’t play at championship level much longer. heard he's off anyway We can but hope! It’s a vital position to fill before the season starts. Let’s just hope it’s a successful one.
|
|
|
Post by clarkeda on Jun 14, 2022 20:09:52 GMT
Stick with Bursik - all this chopping and changing keepers is no good for the keeper himself or the blokes in front of him. That was my position before his stats laid bare the mountain he needs to climb to be even a decent level championship keeper. Whilst I do agree he hasn’t been good enough, stats can be misleading. How many other teams in the championship keepers have players marauding through their midfield and get shots off, dead centre of goal unopposed. Does he need to improve? yes. Is it totally his control and his fault? No
|
|
|
Post by insideright on Jun 14, 2022 21:25:05 GMT
Jack Butland couldn't catch a football and had no positional sense(I won't even mention his lack of ability with his feet!) Well before he broke his ankle! He would never have been England no1! He was always shit and was a massive reason we got relegated!
|
|
|
Post by jebbstuart on Jun 14, 2022 22:00:56 GMT
Think the guy lost his confidence, being in goal has a mental edge to it and if you lose that your in trouble, mistakes end in goals. The injury, his loss of form seem to have taken a large toll on his wellbeing.
|
|
|
Post by insideright on Jun 14, 2022 22:02:51 GMT
Being shit is probably not good for your confidence either!
|
|
|
Post by Bojan Mackey on Jun 14, 2022 22:26:47 GMT
He’ll probably drop the pen to sign when he goes to pick it up.
|
|
|
Post by kustokie on Jun 14, 2022 22:47:10 GMT
Being shit is probably not good for your confidence either! That certainly explains my golf game. I have no idea from shot to shot where that damned ball is going to end up but it only take one shot to make me come back. Triumph of hope over experience!
|
|
boult
Spectator
Posts: 40
|
Post by boult on Jun 16, 2022 14:05:58 GMT
Tommy S. Our best GK in the top division.
|
|
|
Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 16, 2022 20:47:27 GMT
Tommy S. Our best GK in the top division. Good but not better than Bego.
|
|
|
Post by followyoudown on Jun 16, 2022 21:22:58 GMT
Sam Johnstone expected to sign for Palace in next few days, Palace fans I know quite like Butland as a person but general feeling is if its on target its a goal when he plays so I wonder where he ends up now.
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Jun 18, 2022 20:56:22 GMT
|
|
|
Post by followyoudown on Jun 18, 2022 21:06:58 GMT
Hope its true, shame to say but I think he is shot and will cost them points if he signs and plays.
|
|
|
Post by a on Jun 18, 2022 21:08:20 GMT
Good news for us. If he carries on as poorly as he did last time he played in this division it’ll cost boro plenty of points.
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Jun 20, 2022 7:25:37 GMT
Their local paper seems to confirm the interest. I'd be a bit nervy about having him in goal if I was aiming for promotion. He probably deserves a good run of form though. His dip has been a bit cruel. www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/20220813.middlesbrough-interested-deal-crystal-palaces-jack-butland/MIDDLESBROUGH have discussed the possibility of signing Crystal Palace outcast Jack Butland as Chris Wilder continues his overhaul of the club’s goalkeeping department. The Boro boss has expressed an interest in Butland, who is set to leave Palace this summer after failing to hold down a first-team place last season. The 29-year-old has one more year of his current contract to run, but does not want to spend another 12 months warming the bench at Selhurst Park. Rangers and Bournemouth have both been linked with a move to secure his services, along with Championship side Birmingham City, but Boro are hoping the opportunity to be the undisputed number one at the Riverside will appeal. The Teessiders have also held talks with Ben Foster, another ex-England keeper who is set to move on this summer in search of regular first-team football. Boro have also held discussions with Newcastle United over Karl Darlow, who is likely to move on once the Magpies make a goalkeeping signing of their own, and Leicester City over Daniel Iversen, who enjoyed a successful loan spell at Preston last season.
|
|
|
Post by stokieinlondon on Jun 20, 2022 7:33:41 GMT
i2-prod.stokesentinel.co.uk/incoming/article693275.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_3393495.jpg From this to what we have now is a ridiculous fall from grace. Butland lost his confidence which can happen to goalkeepers, and young British goalkeepers too (Richard Wright, Kirkland etc never got to where they could’ve got to) but was colossal before he did. But Jack was exemplary with Gordon Banks’ funeral and wearing his colours - so I have very good memories of him. He is a very good guy and deserves for his career to pick up
|
|
|
Post by a on Jun 20, 2022 8:10:23 GMT
Their local paper seems to confirm the interest. I'd be a bit nervy about having him in goal if I was aiming for promotion. He probably deserves a good run of form though. His dip has been a bit cruel. www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/20220813.middlesbrough-interested-deal-crystal-palaces-jack-butland/MIDDLESBROUGH have discussed the possibility of signing Crystal Palace outcast Jack Butland as Chris Wilder continues his overhaul of the club’s goalkeeping department. The Boro boss has expressed an interest in Butland, who is set to leave Palace this summer after failing to hold down a first-team place last season. The 29-year-old has one more year of his current contract to run, but does not want to spend another 12 months warming the bench at Selhurst Park. Rangers and Bournemouth have both been linked with a move to secure his services, along with Championship side Birmingham City, but Boro are hoping the opportunity to be the undisputed number one at the Riverside will appeal. The Teessiders have also held talks with Ben Foster, another ex-England keeper who is set to move on this summer in search of regular first-team football. Boro have also held discussions with Newcastle United over Karl Darlow, who is likely to move on once the Magpies make a goalkeeping signing of their own, and Leicester City over Daniel Iversen, who enjoyed a successful loan spell at Preston last season. Is his agent a super agent or is he dining out on past glories? His last few years with us were abject.
|
|
|
Post by kustokie on Jun 20, 2022 11:33:50 GMT
Jack Butland couldn't catch a football and had no positional sense(I won't even mention his lack of ability with his feet!) Well before he broke his ankle! He would never have been England no1! He was always shit and was a massive reason we got relegated! But he did recently save a PL penalty for the first time. So he’s got that going for him. On balance i might take a chance. We’ll get him for next to nothing and get significant money from Bursik or Davies. He’d be a decent back up for either of them. His confidence took a significant hit after his injury, which affected his catching crosses and his kicking which was never great in the first place.
|
|