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Post by Foster on May 29, 2022 22:06:16 GMT
Apparently in Holland
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Post by PotterLog on May 31, 2022 4:59:32 GMT
He's a paradox. His early stuff was brilliant but he's now morphed into a poor example of those dross 'comedians' who think mocking people with problems is the best, and easiest, way of getting a laugh. OS. What about the women, gays and vulnerable gender-questioning young people who are being increasingly harangued, exploited and marginalised by aggressive, ideological trans “rights” activism? Maybe Ricky is actually speaking up for the people with problems OS. Just a thought. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 31, 2022 8:28:34 GMT
He's a paradox. His early stuff was brilliant but he's now morphed into a poor example of those dross 'comedians' who think mocking people with problems is the best, and easiest, way of getting a laugh. OS. What about the women, gays and vulnerable gender-questioning young people who are being increasingly harangued, exploited and marginalised by aggressive, ideological trans “rights” activism? Maybe Ricky is actually speaking up for the people with problems OS. Just a thought. The LGB Alliance might give trans people a break for a while now they have a new issue to get their claws into.......  |
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Post by riverman on May 31, 2022 10:37:44 GMT
He's a paradox. His early stuff was brilliant but he's now morphed into a poor example of those dross 'comedians' who think mocking people with problems is the best, and easiest, way of getting a laugh. OS. On the contrary. He mocks attitudes towards people with problems, or just those who've got problems with people who have problems. He's never poked fun at or mocked anyone because of something that's beyond their control unless it's coming from a truly ironic stand point. He once wrote a series called Life's Too Short about a small person struggling to make it in show business and life in general showing the prejudices and stumbling blocks he encounters along the way with sympathy and humour. The central character was played by Warwick Davis with brilliant self deprecation. He obviously got the joke. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 31, 2022 11:45:37 GMT
He's a paradox. His early stuff was brilliant but he's now morphed into a poor example of those dross 'comedians' who think mocking people with problems is the best, and easiest, way of getting a laugh. OS. On the contrary. He mocks attitudes towards people with problems, or just those who've got problems with people who have problems. He's never poked fun at or mocked anyone because of something that's beyond their control unless it's coming from a truly ironic stand point. He once wrote a series called Life's Too Short about a small person struggling to make it in show business and life in general showing the prejudices and stumbling blocks he encounters along the way with sympathy and humour. The central character was played by Warwick Davis with brilliant self deprecation. He obviously got the joke. Even if Gervais himself is sympathetic towards minority groups (I happen to think he is), he surely has to take into account that audience members may take it at face value? I can guarantee that for every person that "gets it", there are many others who think Gervais vindicates their warped views on the world with this sort of routine. |
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Post by PotterLog on May 31, 2022 12:36:32 GMT
On the contrary. He mocks attitudes towards people with problems, or just those who've got problems with people who have problems. He's never poked fun at or mocked anyone because of something that's beyond their control unless it's coming from a truly ironic stand point. He once wrote a series called Life's Too Short about a small person struggling to make it in show business and life in general showing the prejudices and stumbling blocks he encounters along the way with sympathy and humour. The central character was played by Warwick Davis with brilliant self deprecation. He obviously got the joke. Even if Gervais himself is sympathetic towards minority groups (I happen to think he is), he surely has to take into account that audience members may take it at face value? I can guarantee that for every person that "gets it", there are many others who think Gervais vindicates their warped views on the world with this sort of routine. Self-censoring and playing it safe for the benefit of the least intelligent audience members is a recipe for a lot of things - good comedy not being among them. Besides he even actually explicitly explains the point at the very beginning of the special - “you’re laughing at the wrong thing because you know what the right thing is” |
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Post by Northy on May 31, 2022 12:54:58 GMT
One of my lad lives in summertown, he's not mentioned this, probably nowhere near the pubs he always seems to be in. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2022 12:54:59 GMT
On the contrary. He mocks attitudes towards people with problems, or just those who've got problems with people who have problems. He's never poked fun at or mocked anyone because of something that's beyond their control unless it's coming from a truly ironic stand point. He once wrote a series called Life's Too Short about a small person struggling to make it in show business and life in general showing the prejudices and stumbling blocks he encounters along the way with sympathy and humour. The central character was played by Warwick Davis with brilliant self deprecation. He obviously got the joke. Even if Gervais himself is sympathetic towards minority groups (I happen to think he is), he surely has to take into account that audience members may take it at face value? I can guarantee that for every person that "gets it", there are many others who think Gervais vindicates their warped views on the world with this sort of routine. The half of the audience that take it at face value, have rocked up to the wrong gig, that's their issue. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 31, 2022 14:26:03 GMT
He's a paradox. His early stuff was brilliant but he's now morphed into a poor example of those dross 'comedians' who think mocking people with problems is the best, and easiest, way of getting a laugh. OS. He's never poked fun at or mocked anyone because of something that's beyond their control I'm not sure his long history of '****' tweets pass that particular smell test. Edit: deemed so offensive on here it is actually starred out! |
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Post by PotterLog on May 31, 2022 14:29:30 GMT
"....you realise what you've just laughed at.. for a comedian to construct that so well, they have to be ultra-aware of what the correct and moral position is to pull the rug from under you in that way - only people who are actually ethical individuals can make these kinds of jokes."
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 31, 2022 14:35:03 GMT
"only people who are actually ethical individuals can make these kinds of jokes." That's one hell of a leap. Who gives out the licesnse to confirm you that you are of suffucient ethical purity to tell a certain joke or not?! |
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Post by PotterLog on May 31, 2022 14:41:03 GMT
"only people who are actually ethical individuals can make these kinds of jokes." That's one hell of a leap. Who gives out the licesnse to confirm you that you are of ethical purity to tell a certain joke or not?! Read the rest of the context, that's not what he means at all |
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 31, 2022 14:48:13 GMT
That's one hell of a leap. Who gives out the licesnse to confirm you that you are of ethical purity to tell a certain joke or not?! Read the rest of the context, that's not what he means at all I've listened to it all, I dont agree with the analysis in the slightest, it's like he's bestowing some sort of super power on Gervais. |
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Post by PotterLog on May 31, 2022 15:20:08 GMT
Read the rest of the context, that's not what he means at all I've listened to it all, I dont agree with the analysis in the slightest, it's like he's bestowing some sort of super power on Gervais. I don't think you've understood it - in the part I highlighted he's not even talking specifically about Gervais, never mind bestowing him with a superpower.. he's just saying that in order to be able to construct a joke like that effectively (i.e. take the audience by surprise with something taboo or off-colour), you have to be someone who is conscious of the "correct" ethical positions - otherwise it's not funny, that's the point. I mean FFS one of his jokes is about a father masturbating while his daughter recounts an episode of sexual abuse she's suffered. Now that may not be everyone's cup of tea, and understandably so, but you'd have to be unbelievably lacking in any rationality or nuance to think the target of that joke is abused children and that's why he thinks it's funny. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 31, 2022 16:18:44 GMT
I've listened to it all, I dont agree with the analysis in the slightest, it's like he's bestowing some sort of super power on Gervais. I don't think you've understood it - in the part I highlighted he's not even talking specifically about Gervais, never mind bestowing him with a superpower.. he's just saying that in order to be able to construct a joke like that effectively (i.e. take the audience by surprise with something taboo or off-colour), you have to be someone who is conscious of the "correct" ethical positions - otherwise it's not funny, that's the point. I mean FFS one of his jokes is about a father masturbating while his daughter recounts an episode of sexual abuse she's suffered. Now that may not be everyone's cup of tea, and understandably so, but you'd have to be unbelievably lacking in any rationality or nuance to think the target of that joke is abused children and that's why he thinks it's funny. I understnd it, I just don't agree with it. Bernard Manning did 'taboo' material which could surprise pretty packed audiences, where are we on his ethics and who is the judge of it? We're never going to agree are we and that's basically based on the material itself which I think hovers somewhere betwenn lazy and average. Others think different and Gervais continues to shit money! That's life! |
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Post by PotterLog on May 31, 2022 16:46:30 GMT
I don't think you've understood it - in the part I highlighted he's not even talking specifically about Gervais, never mind bestowing him with a superpower.. he's just saying that in order to be able to construct a joke like that effectively (i.e. take the audience by surprise with something taboo or off-colour), you have to be someone who is conscious of the "correct" ethical positions - otherwise it's not funny, that's the point. I mean FFS one of his jokes is about a father masturbating while his daughter recounts an episode of sexual abuse she's suffered. Now that may not be everyone's cup of tea, and understandably so, but you'd have to be unbelievably lacking in any rationality or nuance to think the target of that joke is abused children and that's why he thinks it's funny. I understnd it, I just don't agree with it. Bernard Manning did 'taboo' material which could surprise pretty packed audiences, where are we on his ethics and who is the judge of it? We're never going to agree are we and that's basically based on the material itself which I think hovers somewhere betwenn lazy and average. Others think different and Gervais continues to shit money! That's life! So you think Gervais is basically a latter-day Bernard Manning? Or do you think there’s a difference in the way their material is conceived? (Rhetorical question) Anyway I don’t think it’s to do with the quality of the material to be honest. I’ve never been much for RG’s stand-up anyway |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Oct 25, 2024 19:29:43 GMT
Legend
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 25, 2024 19:34:53 GMT
Ricky Gervais is polarising as he clearly tackles controversial topics by mocking various groups, which some people are bound to find offensive.
Gervais then defends against that offence by saying things like "it's just a joke" and "you can't be offended by an idea" - both of which are untrue as both situations are subjective and contextual.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2024 20:04:22 GMT
Absolutely zero fucks given ...
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Post by salopstick on Oct 25, 2024 20:18:44 GMT
He’s brilliant.
One of the jokes on his special is about god creating man
They will have the best brain
They will use animal carcasses to survive ice age
Survive famine
Survive war
They will eventually get scared of words 😂😂😂
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Post by salopstick on Oct 25, 2024 20:21:53 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 26, 2024 4:16:47 GMT
Absolutely zero fucks given ... I never get tired of watching it. The guy's bloody brilliant. |
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Post by claytonscrubs on Oct 26, 2024 6:02:58 GMT
He’s a hero of mine. His unwavering passion for not only dogs, but all animals is truly inspiring and deserving of recognition.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 26, 2024 10:17:25 GMT
The best comedian by quite a long way is Stewart Lee.
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Post by skip on Oct 26, 2024 10:30:40 GMT
The best comedian by quite a long way is Stewart Lee. But when Stewart Lee 'deconstructs' Ricky Gervais' repeated use of foreshadowing "it's only a joke, they're only words"* (ad nauseam) he is accused of not being funny or being an uptight prig. But what anyone can hear if they're paying attention, is Lee owning Gervais at his own game, without resorting to making dubious gags insinuating incestuous fantasties or harping on about the God myth, like he's Carl Sagan in clown shoes. Gervais does my fucking head in, and not because I'm offended by anything he says. *as if he isn't acutely aware of the irony at the amount of money he's acquired by milking his reputation for using words precisely in the way that he chooses (because he's very good at it), and therefore undermining his own argument that words are only words. If words had no power, he'd be a washed up fat New Romantic one hit wonder collecting trolleys around ASDA car park. |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 26, 2024 10:42:10 GMT
The best comedian by quite a long way is Stewart Lee. But when Stewart Lee 'deconstructs' Ricky Gervais' repeated use of foreshadowing "it's only a joke, they're only words"* (ad nauseam) he is accused of not being funny or being an uptight prig. But what anyone can hear if they're paying attention, is Lee owning Gervais at his own game, without resorting to making dubious gags insinuating incestuous fantasties or harping on about the God myth, like he's Carl Sagan in clown shoes. Gervais does my fucking head in, and not because I'm offended by anything he says. *as if he isn't acutely aware of the irony at the amount of money he's acquired by milking his reputation for using words precisely in the way that he chooses (because he's very good at it), and therefore undermining his own argument that words are only words. If words had no power, he'd be a washed up fat New Romantic one hit wonder collecting trolleys around ASDA car park. That's sort of the point of Stewart Lee. Lee truly turns irony into an art form. He's playing a role. Ricky Gervais uses offence as his tool - he's not paying a role or being ironic. He looks like a very frightened man. He’s frightened of transgender people or whomever he's insulting coming after him, and his act is just a defensive wall. He's not a comedian. His shows are not fluid, they’re just a succession of inflexible statements that would snap like twigs if the pressure of an unforeseen event was applied to them. |
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Post by redstriper on Oct 26, 2024 11:43:12 GMT
Gervais often comes across as smug and he isn't particularly funny when he has to improvise with no script. However, at a time when comedy is being suppressed at least he's trying to make us laugh, and he loves dogs, anyone in those two camps is ok by me.
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Post by skip on Oct 26, 2024 12:12:19 GMT
But when Stewart Lee 'deconstructs' Ricky Gervais' repeated use of foreshadowing "it's only a joke, they're only words"* (ad nauseam) he is accused of not being funny or being an uptight prig. But what anyone can hear if they're paying attention, is Lee owning Gervais at his own game, without resorting to making dubious gags insinuating incestuous fantasties or harping on about the God myth, like he's Carl Sagan in clown shoes. Gervais does my fucking head in, and not because I'm offended by anything he says. *as if he isn't acutely aware of the irony at the amount of money he's acquired by milking his reputation for using words precisely in the way that he chooses (because he's very good at it), and therefore undermining his own argument that words are only words. If words had no power, he'd be a washed up fat New Romantic one hit wonder collecting trolleys around ASDA car park. That's sort of the point of Stewart Lee. Lee truly turns irony into an art form. He's playing a role. Ricky Gervais uses offence as his tool - he's not paying a role or being ironic. He looks like a very frightened man. He’s frightened of transgender people or whomever he's insulting coming after him, and his act is just a defensive wall. He's not a comedian. His shows are not fluid, they’re just a succession of inflexible statements that would snap like twigs if the pressure of an unforeseen event was applied to them. Stewart Lee bought me a packet of crisps in a lock-in after a gig in the now sadly closed 12 Bar in Soho. Nothing humble about that brag. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 26, 2024 13:12:18 GMT
That's sort of the point of Stewart Lee. Lee truly turns irony into an art form. He's playing a role. Ricky Gervais uses offence as his tool - he's not paying a role or being ironic. He looks like a very frightened man. He’s frightened of transgender people or whomever he's insulting coming after him, and his act is just a defensive wall. He's not a comedian. His shows are not fluid, they’re just a succession of inflexible statements that would snap like twigs if the pressure of an unforeseen event was applied to them. Stewart Lee bought me a packet of crisps in a lock-in after a gig in the now sadly closed 12 Bar in Soho. Nothing humble about that brag. He looked fat and depressed…… |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 26, 2024 20:46:05 GMT
Stewart Lee bought me a packet of crisps in a lock-in after a gig in the now sadly closed 12 Bar in Soho. Nothing humble about that brag. He looked fat and depressed…… Probably all of that pear cider…made from 100% pears. |
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