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Post by foster on May 29, 2022 22:06:16 GMT
Apparently in Holland
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Post by PotterLog on May 31, 2022 4:59:32 GMT
He's a paradox. His early stuff was brilliant but he's now morphed into a poor example of those dross 'comedians' who think mocking people with problems is the best, and easiest, way of getting a laugh. OS. What about the women, gays and vulnerable gender-questioning young people who are being increasingly harangued, exploited and marginalised by aggressive, ideological trans “rights” activism? Maybe Ricky is actually speaking up for the people with problems OS. Just a thought.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 31, 2022 8:28:34 GMT
He's a paradox. His early stuff was brilliant but he's now morphed into a poor example of those dross 'comedians' who think mocking people with problems is the best, and easiest, way of getting a laugh. OS. What about the women, gays and vulnerable gender-questioning young people who are being increasingly harangued, exploited and marginalised by aggressive, ideological trans “rights” activism? Maybe Ricky is actually speaking up for the people with problems OS. Just a thought. The LGB Alliance might give trans people a break for a while now they have a new issue to get their claws into.......
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Post by riverman on May 31, 2022 10:37:44 GMT
He's a paradox. His early stuff was brilliant but he's now morphed into a poor example of those dross 'comedians' who think mocking people with problems is the best, and easiest, way of getting a laugh. OS. On the contrary. He mocks attitudes towards people with problems, or just those who've got problems with people who have problems. He's never poked fun at or mocked anyone because of something that's beyond their control unless it's coming from a truly ironic stand point. He once wrote a series called Life's Too Short about a small person struggling to make it in show business and life in general showing the prejudices and stumbling blocks he encounters along the way with sympathy and humour. The central character was played by Warwick Davis with brilliant self deprecation. He obviously got the joke.
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 31, 2022 11:45:37 GMT
He's a paradox. His early stuff was brilliant but he's now morphed into a poor example of those dross 'comedians' who think mocking people with problems is the best, and easiest, way of getting a laugh. OS. On the contrary. He mocks attitudes towards people with problems, or just those who've got problems with people who have problems. He's never poked fun at or mocked anyone because of something that's beyond their control unless it's coming from a truly ironic stand point. He once wrote a series called Life's Too Short about a small person struggling to make it in show business and life in general showing the prejudices and stumbling blocks he encounters along the way with sympathy and humour. The central character was played by Warwick Davis with brilliant self deprecation. He obviously got the joke. Even if Gervais himself is sympathetic towards minority groups (I happen to think he is), he surely has to take into account that audience members may take it at face value? I can guarantee that for every person that "gets it", there are many others who think Gervais vindicates their warped views on the world with this sort of routine.
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Post by PotterLog on May 31, 2022 12:36:32 GMT
On the contrary. He mocks attitudes towards people with problems, or just those who've got problems with people who have problems. He's never poked fun at or mocked anyone because of something that's beyond their control unless it's coming from a truly ironic stand point. He once wrote a series called Life's Too Short about a small person struggling to make it in show business and life in general showing the prejudices and stumbling blocks he encounters along the way with sympathy and humour. The central character was played by Warwick Davis with brilliant self deprecation. He obviously got the joke. Even if Gervais himself is sympathetic towards minority groups (I happen to think he is), he surely has to take into account that audience members may take it at face value? I can guarantee that for every person that "gets it", there are many others who think Gervais vindicates their warped views on the world with this sort of routine. Self-censoring and playing it safe for the benefit of the least intelligent audience members is a recipe for a lot of things - good comedy not being among them. Besides he even actually explicitly explains the point at the very beginning of the special - “you’re laughing at the wrong thing because you know what the right thing is”
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Post by Northy on May 31, 2022 12:54:58 GMT
One of my lad lives in summertown, he's not mentioned this, probably nowhere near the pubs he always seems to be in.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on May 31, 2022 12:54:59 GMT
On the contrary. He mocks attitudes towards people with problems, or just those who've got problems with people who have problems. He's never poked fun at or mocked anyone because of something that's beyond their control unless it's coming from a truly ironic stand point. He once wrote a series called Life's Too Short about a small person struggling to make it in show business and life in general showing the prejudices and stumbling blocks he encounters along the way with sympathy and humour. The central character was played by Warwick Davis with brilliant self deprecation. He obviously got the joke. Even if Gervais himself is sympathetic towards minority groups (I happen to think he is), he surely has to take into account that audience members may take it at face value? I can guarantee that for every person that "gets it", there are many others who think Gervais vindicates their warped views on the world with this sort of routine. The half of the audience that take it at face value, have rocked up to the wrong gig, that's their issue.
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 31, 2022 14:26:03 GMT
He's a paradox. His early stuff was brilliant but he's now morphed into a poor example of those dross 'comedians' who think mocking people with problems is the best, and easiest, way of getting a laugh. OS. He's never poked fun at or mocked anyone because of something that's beyond their control I'm not sure his long history of '****' tweets pass that particular smell test. Edit: deemed so offensive on here it is actually starred out!
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Post by PotterLog on May 31, 2022 14:29:30 GMT
"....you realise what you've just laughed at.. for a comedian to construct that so well, they have to be ultra-aware of what the correct and moral position is to pull the rug from under you in that way - only people who are actually ethical individuals can make these kinds of jokes."
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 31, 2022 14:35:03 GMT
"only people who are actually ethical individuals can make these kinds of jokes." That's one hell of a leap. Who gives out the licesnse to confirm you that you are of suffucient ethical purity to tell a certain joke or not?!
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Post by PotterLog on May 31, 2022 14:41:03 GMT
"only people who are actually ethical individuals can make these kinds of jokes." That's one hell of a leap. Who gives out the licesnse to confirm you that you are of ethical purity to tell a certain joke or not?! Read the rest of the context, that's not what he means at all
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 31, 2022 14:48:13 GMT
That's one hell of a leap. Who gives out the licesnse to confirm you that you are of ethical purity to tell a certain joke or not?! Read the rest of the context, that's not what he means at all I've listened to it all, I dont agree with the analysis in the slightest, it's like he's bestowing some sort of super power on Gervais.
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Post by PotterLog on May 31, 2022 15:20:08 GMT
Read the rest of the context, that's not what he means at all I've listened to it all, I dont agree with the analysis in the slightest, it's like he's bestowing some sort of super power on Gervais. I don't think you've understood it - in the part I highlighted he's not even talking specifically about Gervais, never mind bestowing him with a superpower.. he's just saying that in order to be able to construct a joke like that effectively (i.e. take the audience by surprise with something taboo or off-colour), you have to be someone who is conscious of the "correct" ethical positions - otherwise it's not funny, that's the point. I mean FFS one of his jokes is about a father masturbating while his daughter recounts an episode of sexual abuse she's suffered. Now that may not be everyone's cup of tea, and understandably so, but you'd have to be unbelievably lacking in any rationality or nuance to think the target of that joke is abused children and that's why he thinks it's funny.
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 31, 2022 16:18:44 GMT
I've listened to it all, I dont agree with the analysis in the slightest, it's like he's bestowing some sort of super power on Gervais. I don't think you've understood it - in the part I highlighted he's not even talking specifically about Gervais, never mind bestowing him with a superpower.. he's just saying that in order to be able to construct a joke like that effectively (i.e. take the audience by surprise with something taboo or off-colour), you have to be someone who is conscious of the "correct" ethical positions - otherwise it's not funny, that's the point. I mean FFS one of his jokes is about a father masturbating while his daughter recounts an episode of sexual abuse she's suffered. Now that may not be everyone's cup of tea, and understandably so, but you'd have to be unbelievably lacking in any rationality or nuance to think the target of that joke is abused children and that's why he thinks it's funny. I understnd it, I just don't agree with it. Bernard Manning did 'taboo' material which could surprise pretty packed audiences, where are we on his ethics and who is the judge of it? We're never going to agree are we and that's basically based on the material itself which I think hovers somewhere betwenn lazy and average. Others think different and Gervais continues to shit money! That's life!
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Post by PotterLog on May 31, 2022 16:46:30 GMT
I don't think you've understood it - in the part I highlighted he's not even talking specifically about Gervais, never mind bestowing him with a superpower.. he's just saying that in order to be able to construct a joke like that effectively (i.e. take the audience by surprise with something taboo or off-colour), you have to be someone who is conscious of the "correct" ethical positions - otherwise it's not funny, that's the point. I mean FFS one of his jokes is about a father masturbating while his daughter recounts an episode of sexual abuse she's suffered. Now that may not be everyone's cup of tea, and understandably so, but you'd have to be unbelievably lacking in any rationality or nuance to think the target of that joke is abused children and that's why he thinks it's funny. I understnd it, I just don't agree with it. Bernard Manning did 'taboo' material which could surprise pretty packed audiences, where are we on his ethics and who is the judge of it? We're never going to agree are we and that's basically based on the material itself which I think hovers somewhere betwenn lazy and average. Others think different and Gervais continues to shit money! That's life! So you think Gervais is basically a latter-day Bernard Manning? Or do you think there’s a difference in the way their material is conceived? (Rhetorical question) Anyway I don’t think it’s to do with the quality of the material to be honest. I’ve never been much for RG’s stand-up anyway
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