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Post by Gods on May 16, 2022 20:20:31 GMT
Has someone who isn't me researched how many short corners v long corners lead to goals?
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Post by ParaPsych on May 16, 2022 21:38:06 GMT
Not a single goal has ever been scored from a short corner in the history of football.
Ok, that's almost certainly not true, but that's how I feel about short corners the moment I see us taking one.
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Post by Gods on May 16, 2022 21:40:43 GMT
Not a single goal has ever been scored from a short corner in the history if football. Ok, that's almost certainly not true, but that's how I feel about short corners the moment I see us taking one. Yep, you feel your heart sink when you see a short corner being set up, thinking to yourself "this will never make it in to the 'mixer'"
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 16, 2022 21:42:09 GMT
Short corners are the work of the devil.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on May 17, 2022 0:06:26 GMT
Short corners are only for added time at the end of a match you are winning. A complete waste in any other situation.
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Post by scfc75 on May 17, 2022 0:15:53 GMT
JUST STICK IT IN THE BOX!!!
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Post by onionman on May 17, 2022 1:26:36 GMT
One of the small joys of watching Stoke is when we take a short corner and it inevitably goes wrong but the opposing team accidentally puts it out for another corner, and you think, “Great, no chance we’ll try another short corner, this time it’s definitely going in the mixer.”
Hope is snatched back from the jaws of despair.
And then Sam Clucas or whoever doesn’t clear the first man anyway, so it’s back to despair.
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Post by PotterLog on May 17, 2022 2:56:00 GMT
Not a single goal has ever been scored from a short corner in the history of football. Ok, that's almost certainly not true, but that's how I feel about short corners the moment I see us taking one. "almost" certainly
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Post by J-Roar on May 17, 2022 5:56:36 GMT
I liked Rotherham's short corner routine when we played them away last time. Kick it to teammate who controls it for corner taker to swazz it in.
Apart from that they are nearly always shite!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 17, 2022 6:38:40 GMT
Something designed to make you look clever but invariably ends up making you look stupid. Just stop it.
The other thing about corners is the current fashion of bringing everybody back into the box to defend. What's wrong in leaving at least one player on the half way line to occupy a couple of defenders - especially some short nippy player like DWP who is as much use as a chocolate kettle in an aerial challenge from a corner.
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Post by lordb on May 17, 2022 6:40:03 GMT
We have scored from short corners but not very often the only time I think it's a good idea is where you have a team of shortarses v a team of giants
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Post by lordb on May 17, 2022 6:41:38 GMT
Something designed to make you look clever but invariably ends up making you look stupid. Just stop it. The other thing about corners is the current fashion of bringing everybody back into the box to defend. What's wrong in leaving at least one player on the half way line to occupy a couple of defenders - especially some short nippy player like DWP who is as much use as a chocolate kettle in an aerial challenge from a corner. DWP was actually left up when we defended a corner v Coventry, I nearly fell out of my seat in shock Astonishing how few managers do this, not just Stoke, everywhere
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Post by tachyon on May 17, 2022 8:12:36 GMT
Short corners are more efficient than long ones. Creating more goal attempts, expected and actual goals.
But it's a biased sample consisting of teams with the skill set and pre preparation to create from short corners. So you have to bring it from the practice pitch & have players to implement any routines.
There's still a fair bit of juice to be extracted from corners, the productivity differential between the best and worst is significant. Overall scoring rates from set plays, in general, exceeds that from open play.
We've been very good, both offensively and defensively from corners this season.
For long corners the Maguire/O'Callaghan routine remains the best option. Anything that diverts the flight of the ball improves your chances of scoring and in swinging > out swinging.
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Post by tachyon on May 17, 2022 9:13:58 GMT
Pulis CornersForgot to add, Pulis was a corner guru at Stoke and at his subsequent clubs.The 16/17 WBA team scored from 10% of their corners. WHICH IS JUST ASTONISHING!
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Post by RF10 on May 17, 2022 10:22:10 GMT
Pulis CornersForgot to add, Pulis was a corner guru at Stoke and at his subsequent clubs.The 16/17 WBA team scored from 10% of their corners. WHICH IS JUST ASTONISHING! What are the stats for defending set plays by Pulis? I was never bothered when we conceding a corner as knew it would be cleared away.
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Post by ohbottom on May 17, 2022 10:35:30 GMT
What a load of old bollocks this thread is.
Short corners are a thing of grace and beauty, like playing out from the back with defenders who control the ball further than I can kick it.
I'm especially fond of the one which, after a mere 4 or 5 passes, ends up safely back in the possession of our keeper so he can lump it out for a throw in.
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Post by lordb on May 17, 2022 11:06:23 GMT
Short corners are more efficient than long ones. Creating more goal attempts, expected and actual goals. But it's a biased sample consisting of teams with the skill set and pre preparation to create from short corners. So you have to bring it from the practice pitch & have players to implement any routines. There's still a fair bit of juice to be extracted from corners, the productivity differential between the best and worst is significant. Overall scoring rates from set plays, in general, exceeds that from open play. We've been very good, both offensively and defensively from corners this season. For long corners the Maguire/O'Callaghan routine remains the best option. Anything that diverts the flight of the ball improves your chances of scoring and in swinging > out swinging. Vranic/Baker corner to Souttar near post seems the obvious way forward for Stoke absolutely no way is anyone stopping that flick on
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on May 17, 2022 12:19:43 GMT
POMO
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on May 17, 2022 13:59:33 GMT
Short corners are stupid just stick it in the corridor of uncertainty see what happens
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Post by cvillestokie on May 17, 2022 15:14:31 GMT
Short corners are more efficient than long ones. Creating more goal attempts, expected and actual goals. But it's a biased sample consisting of teams with the skill set and pre preparation to create from short corners. So you have to bring it from the practice pitch & have players to implement any routines. There's still a fair bit of juice to be extracted from corners, the productivity differential between the best and worst is significant. Overall scoring rates from set plays, in general, exceeds that from open play. We've been very good, both offensively and defensively from corners this season. For long corners the Maguire/O'Callaghan routine remains the best option. Anything that diverts the flight of the ball improves your chances of scoring and in swinging > out swinging. Vranic/Baker corner to Souttar near post seems the obvious way forward for Stoke absolutely no way is anyone stopping that flick on If we can bring in a target man and have him play in front of Powell then we’d have at least three very decent threats in the box at any one corner. The ball doesn’t have to go to Souttar then for him to be contributing to the goal.
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Post by franklin on May 17, 2022 18:06:13 GMT
Corners are a bit too advanced for us at the moment we need to crack throw ins first.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 17, 2022 19:49:59 GMT
Any player who takes a short corner should be Red carded & banned for 6 months.
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Post by Gods on May 17, 2022 19:58:49 GMT
Pulis CornersForgot to add, Pulis was a corner guru at Stoke and at his subsequent clubs.The 16/17 WBA team scored from 10% of their corners. WHICH IS JUST ASTONISHING! Oh yes, the old maestro TP :-)
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2022 6:57:46 GMT
Something designed to make you look clever but invariably ends up making you look stupid. Just stop it. The other thing about corners is the current fashion of bringing everybody back into the box to defend. What's wrong in leaving at least one player on the half way line to occupy a couple of defenders - especially some short nippy player like DWP who is as much use as a chocolate kettle in an aerial challenge from a corner. DWP was actually left up when we defended a corner v Coventry, I nearly fell out of my seat in shock Astonishing how few managers do this, not just Stoke, everywhere It’s happened a few times this season tbf but only him. There must be some stats or something they’d read that tells them it works. Because there’s no logical explanation to it without such “wisdom”.
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Post by lordb on May 18, 2022 7:03:27 GMT
DWP was actually left up when we defended a corner v Coventry, I nearly fell out of my seat in shock Astonishing how few managers do this, not just Stoke, everywhere It’s happened a few times this season tbf but only him. There must be some stats or something they’d read that tells them it works. Because there’s no logical explanation to it without such “wisdom”. I think its just football manager fashion, at some point a manager will start regularly leaving two or more players up and they all will start doing it and declare it innovation Someone will have a player on the post too. Someone will start playing wingers on their natural side and be declared a genius
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 18, 2022 7:08:25 GMT
It’s happened a few times this season tbf but only him. There must be some stats or something they’d read that tells them it works. Because there’s no logical explanation to it without such “wisdom”. I think its just football manager fashion, at some point a manager will start regularly leaving two or more players up and they all will start doing it and declare it innovation Someone will have a player on the post too. Someone will start playing wingers on their natural side and be declared a genius But it’s been happening for at least a decade or more? It seems to be more than fashion and so few managers do it. Most teams I’ve watched in none league do it though. Another reason why none league is better than watching Stoke at the moment 😂
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Post by lordb on May 18, 2022 7:11:23 GMT
I think its just football manager fashion, at some point a manager will start regularly leaving two or more players up and they all will start doing it and declare it innovation Someone will have a player on the post too. Someone will start playing wingers on their natural side and be declared a genius But it’s been happening for at least a decade or more? It seems to be more than fashion and so few managers do it. Most teams I’ve watched in none league do it though. Another reason why none league is better than watching Stoke at the moment 😂 Yes it's been happening for years It's not a Stoke thing it's everywhere It will change at some point
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Post by greyman on May 18, 2022 19:21:52 GMT
Not a single goal has ever been scored from a short corner in the history of football. Ok, that's almost certainly not true, but that's how I feel about short corners the moment I see us taking one. Not true. Plenty of goals have been scored- by the defending team winning the ball, breaking down the pitch and scoring while all the corner taker's centre backs are at the wrong end of the pitch.
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Post by AlliG on May 18, 2022 19:32:18 GMT
Not a single goal has ever been scored from a short corner in the history of football. Ok, that's almost certainly not true, but that's how I feel about short corners the moment I see us taking one. Not true. Plenty of goals have been scored- by the defending team winning the ball, breaking down the pitch and scoring while all the corner taker's centre backs are at the wrong end of the pitch. Spurs used to score regularly (or so it seemed) from our short corners.
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Post by swampySCFC on May 18, 2022 22:31:58 GMT
If you cant have long throws you need Billy Glass Back putting it on Big Brens head. End of story
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