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Post by lordb on May 16, 2022 17:33:13 GMT
Could you expand on that please? Do you mean a Chris Kamara type or a more positionaly disciplined player? Don’t want a donkey who just kicks people A “talented” energetic shithouse! Someone who is good in the tackle, keeps it simple, and is positionally aware. Stop being pedantic, why would I want a “donkey who just kicks people”?😉 Am sure you wouldn't but concerned that's what we could end up with
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Post by lordb on May 16, 2022 17:34:22 GMT
I think both play better when the other is on the pitch Possibly, but they both defend badly, or should I say, they both should stay away from defending, but we can't afford to defemd with only seven men. True... Ish They both can put their foot in, certainly more than Sawyers Best performance of the season was Albion at home with Vrancic and Powell
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Post by jokker on May 16, 2022 17:36:06 GMT
His contact is up and not been sorted, so technically yes he has... Is anther contract is sorted then that changes but as it stands, he's out of contract on June 30. so "technically" he is still ours. Don't know about his "contact"...
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Post by wuzza on May 16, 2022 17:37:14 GMT
I’m not overly convinced either will turn our fortunes dramatically but some stability is handy and presumably it’s not taken a massive chunk out of available salary spend.
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Post by marwood on May 16, 2022 18:09:46 GMT
The fact that they have been announced at the same time isnt a coincidence for me. Vrancic is cover for Powell. Powell isnt injury prone -he draws more fouls that anyone else in the team (and one of highest in division) so inevitably will have the shit kicked out of him weekly and will inevitably need cover. Mario is still one of our best dead ballers as well
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Post by spitthedog on May 16, 2022 18:13:22 GMT
The fact that they have been announced at the same time isnt a coincidence for me. Vrancic is cover for Powell. Powell isnt injury prone -he draws more fouls that anyone else in the team (and one of highest in division) so inevitably will have the shit kicked out of him weekly and will inevitably need cover. Mario is still one of our best dead ballers as well I got the impression Baker had taken over the dead ball specialist role and rightly so.
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Post by ChesterStokie on May 16, 2022 18:21:56 GMT
I may be reading too much into this but the wording suggests that it is the players who have triggered the extensions not the club. And there is no wording along the lines of ‘the club is delighted that,,,’
Personally I’m disappointed that Powell hasn’t been signed up for longer. Hopefully that’s still being negotiated, but I suspect not as the club would have stalled on the announcement until that had been sorted.
It looks to me like Powell wants to keep his options open for beyond next season.
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Post by spiderpuss on May 16, 2022 18:25:15 GMT
Good to see players wanting to stay and re-signing. Have we turned a corner here, we will see.
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Post by neddy on May 16, 2022 18:26:25 GMT
I may be reading too much into this but the wording suggests that it is the players who have triggered the extensions not the club. And there is no wording along the lines of ‘the club is delighted that,,,’ Personally I’m disappointed that Powell hasn’t been signed up for longer. Hopefully that’s still being negotiated, but I suspect not as the club would have stalled on the announcement until that had been sorted. It looks to me like Powell wants to keep his options open for beyond next season. I agree with you this should be clarified? Did they have the option to trigger the contract unilaterally? Hmmm…
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Post by ChesterStokie on May 16, 2022 18:35:32 GMT
I may be reading too much into this but the wording suggests that it is the players who have triggered the extensions not the club. And there is no wording along the lines of ‘the club is delighted that,,,’ Personally I’m disappointed that Powell hasn’t been signed up for longer. Hopefully that’s still being negotiated, but I suspect not as the club would have stalled on the announcement until that had been sorted. It looks to me like Powell wants to keep his options open for beyond next season. I agree with you this should be clarified? Did they have the option to trigger the contract unilaterally? Hmmm… I would guess either party could trigger unilaterally and in Powell’s case the club didn’t trigger it because they wanted to sign him up for longer but Powell wouldn’t agree to it on the terms offered so Powell triggered it instead.
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Post by jokker on May 16, 2022 18:42:14 GMT
Possibly, but they both defend badly, or should I say, they both should stay away from defending, but we can't afford to defemd with only seven men. True... Ish They both can put their foot in, certainly more than Sawyers Best performance of the season was Albion at home with Vrancic and Powell There's an element of truth in what you say, Powell especially likes a good fight, if he can get one going. But, and that's a huge but, he should not concentrate on picking fights but on creating golden opportunities for the team and himself. If we're leading by one goal in the cup final, and there's five minutes to go, by all means, chip in with defensive heroics, but otherwise concentrate on getting goals, many of them, please.
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Post by marwood on May 16, 2022 18:44:44 GMT
The fact that they have been announced at the same time isnt a coincidence for me. Vrancic is cover for Powell. Powell isnt injury prone -he draws more fouls that anyone else in the team (and one of highest in division) so inevitably will have the shit kicked out of him weekly and will inevitably need cover. Mario is still one of our best dead ballers as well I got the impression Baker had taken over the dead ball specialist role and rightly so. Yes that's true, does Baker take the corners as well? Set pieces and dead balls (esp Bakers pennoes) was a rare highlight this season
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 16, 2022 19:11:32 GMT
More good work Stoke. Happy to have Vrancic for next season as a squad player and Powell is a no brainer obviously. I don’t think Sawyers will stay now with also having DWP as an option there. Energetic shithouse required pronto though The worry is we sign Sawyers with the idea of playing him in a deeper role
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 16, 2022 19:12:18 GMT
More good work Stoke. Happy to have Vrancic for next season as a squad player and Powell is a no brainer obviously. I don’t think Sawyers will stay now with also having DWP as an option there. Energetic shithouse required pronto though The worry is we sign Sawyers with the idea of playing him in a deeper role Definitely, that would be suicidal
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2022 19:16:23 GMT
The worry is we sign Sawyers with the idea of playing him in a deeper role Definitely, that would be suicidal Be selling Sawyers down the river
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Post by chayseeoatcake on May 16, 2022 19:32:41 GMT
Wouldn’t have been bothered if both had gone along with Allen. Bring Sawyers in and play him in an advanced role.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on May 16, 2022 20:04:46 GMT
The fact that they have been announced at the same time isnt a coincidence for me. Vrancic is cover for Powell. Powell isnt injury prone -he draws more fouls that anyone else in the team (and one of highest in division) so inevitably will have the shit kicked out of him weekly and will inevitably need cover. Mario is still one of our best dead ballers as well I got the impression Baker had taken over the dead ball specialist role and rightly so. It's good to have options. We don't have David Beckham, so having 2 or 3 players fighting over set-pieces will be a luxury.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on May 16, 2022 20:06:09 GMT
I may be reading too much into this but the wording suggests that it is the players who have triggered the extensions not the club. And there is no wording along the lines of ‘the club is delighted that,,,’ Personally I’m disappointed that Powell hasn’t been signed up for longer. Hopefully that’s still being negotiated, but I suspect not as the club would have stalled on the announcement until that had been sorted. It looks to me like Powell wants to keep his options open for beyond next season. It's just standard news fare and also says "They will remain at the Club for at least 22/23 campaign" which I could say implies the club wants at least one of the players for longer? www.stokecityfc.com/news/2022/may/16/powell-and-vrancic-trigger-new-deals/I didn't know Jagielka had extended his stay too. Great news and will hopefully help ease Souttar back in if necessary.
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Post by neddy on May 16, 2022 20:13:01 GMT
I may be reading too much into this but the wording suggests that it is the players who have triggered the extensions not the club. And there is no wording along the lines of ‘the club is delighted that,,,’ Personally I’m disappointed that Powell hasn’t been signed up for longer. Hopefully that’s still being negotiated, but I suspect not as the club would have stalled on the announcement until that had been sorted. It looks to me like Powell wants to keep his options open for beyond next season. It's just standard news fare and also says "They will remain at the Club for at least 22/23 campaign" which I could say implies the club wants at least one of the players for longer? www.stokecityfc.com/news/2022/may/16/powell-and-vrancic-trigger-new-deals/I didn't know Jagielka had extended his stay too. Great news and will hopefully help ease Souttar back in if necessary. How about Jags and Harry in a back 4?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 16, 2022 20:17:30 GMT
It's just standard news fare and also says "They will remain at the Club for at least 22/23 campaign" which I could say implies the club wants at least one of the players for longer? www.stokecityfc.com/news/2022/may/16/powell-and-vrancic-trigger-new-deals/I didn't know Jagielka had extended his stay too. Great news and will hopefully help ease Souttar back in if necessary. How about Jags and Harry in a back 4? Couldn’t play a very high line. Suspect Jags has been re-signed purely to see us through until Souttar is back.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 16, 2022 20:42:46 GMT
All as planned manager for another year next
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Post by scfcwebby on May 16, 2022 21:43:44 GMT
His contact is up and not been sorted, so technically yes he has... Is anther contract is sorted then that changes but as it stands, he's out of contract on June 30. so "technically" he is still ours. Don't know about his "contact"... Yes... If you want to be pedantic about it and include a period of time that he'll not kick a ball in anger for us. And grow up pal, if you're going to pull someone up for missing a letter out of a word while typing on a phone 🙄
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Post by Ron on May 16, 2022 21:59:32 GMT
Very pleasing news. Powell remains our best player. Vrancic was superb at the start of the season … just think we over used him.
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Post by mtrstudent on May 16, 2022 22:21:46 GMT
Possibly, but they both defend badly, or should I say, they both should stay away from defending, but we can't afford to defemd with only seven men. True... Ish They both can put their foot in, certainly more than Sawyers Best performance of the season was Albion at home with Vrancic and Powell Powell presses just fine IMO. Vrancic less so but he still does better than Sawyers. Obviously if we load up on lightweight midfielders again then forwards must work harder. Brown will, lots of forwards won't or don't. I'm worried MON just doesn't believe that you need a minimum amount of steel and grit and that'll fuck us again.
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Post by theonlooker on May 17, 2022 5:38:18 GMT
It will be interesting to see the mechanics of the extensions, in particular the Vrancic extension.
Is he the experience that the manager craves in the absence of Allen, who is probably leaving now or is it a plan B type extension because our other targets are going elsewhere or about to? Sawyers got his extension at WBA or a better deal elsewhere?
Or is it an automatic extension triggered by appearances?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 17, 2022 5:58:29 GMT
Great news on both fronts.
I don't get the whole Vrancic as a Powell understudy thing - they both play attacking midfield but have completely different games. Powell ghosts in behind the strikers and is an Ariel threat. Vrancic picks passes that release the strikers from a deeper position and is brilliant with a dead ball. If one is played rather than the other the shape has to change because neither does the others job - the only common factor is that they are technically good, creative players.
It's also nonsense that they can't play in the same side - some of our best games early season were when they both started. It affects the shape of the side but it can work really well if the sitting midfielder and defence are doing their job.
In terms of Vrancic's form tailoring off it did but no more than the rest of the team. Powell on the other hand had some shockers and at times he was a actually a liability on the pitch. To be fair he shouldn't have been playing and given more time to recover.
The whole understudy idea is nonsense anyway and in the case invented by the Powell fan club to justify having their favourite player as first choice. The fact is neither Powell nor Vrancic are understudies and both are competing for positions on a level playing field for inclusion in the starting 11 and it's great we have both as options next season.
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Post by lordb on May 17, 2022 6:43:06 GMT
How about Jags and Harry in a back 4? Couldn’t play a very high line. Suspect Jags has been re-signed purely to see us through until Souttar is back. Would explain 6 month rather than full season deal
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 17, 2022 7:18:02 GMT
Great news on both fronts. I don't get the whole Vrancic as a Powell understudy thing - they both play attacking midfield but have completely different games. Powell ghosts in behind the strikers and is an Ariel threat. Vrancic picks passes that release the strikers from a deeper position and is brilliant with a dead ball. If one is played rather than the other the shape has to change because neither does the others job - the only common factor is that they are technically good, creative players. It's also nonsense that they can't play in the same side - some of our best games early season were when they both started. It affects the shape of the side but it can work really well if the sitting midfielder and defence are doing their job. In terms of Vrancic's form tailoring off it did but no more than the rest of the team. Powell on the other hand had some shockers and at times he was a actually a liability on the pitch. To be fair he shouldn't have been playing and given more time to recover. The whole understudy idea is nonsense anyway and in the case invented by the Powell fan club to justify having their favourite player as first choice. The fact is neither Powell nor Vrancic are understudies and both are competing for positions on a level playing field for inclusion in the starting 11 and it's great we have both as options next season. As I told you yesterday, I’m fine with another attacking midfielder starting over Powell if he’s the player in form. I think you can only play them in the same side if you’re playing Powell as a second striker in a front two. Don’t think you can play Baker, Vrancic and Powell in the same team.
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Post by lordb on May 17, 2022 7:22:34 GMT
Great news on both fronts. I don't get the whole Vrancic as a Powell understudy thing - they both play attacking midfield but have completely different games. Powell ghosts in behind the strikers and is an Ariel threat. Vrancic picks passes that release the strikers from a deeper position and is brilliant with a dead ball. If one is played rather than the other the shape has to change because neither does the others job - the only common factor is that they are technically good, creative players. It's also nonsense that they can't play in the same side - some of our best games early season were when they both started. It affects the shape of the side but it can work really well if the sitting midfielder and defence are doing their job. In terms of Vrancic's form tailoring off it did but no more than the rest of the team. Powell on the other hand had some shockers and at times he was a actually a liability on the pitch. To be fair he shouldn't have been playing and given more time to recover. The whole understudy idea is nonsense anyway and in the case invented by the Powell fan club to justify having their favourite player as first choice. The fact is neither Powell nor Vrancic are understudies and both are competing for positions on a level playing field for inclusion in the starting 11 and it's great we have both as options next season. As I told you yesterday, I’m fine with another attacking midfielder starting over Powell if he’s the player in form. I think you can only play them in the same side if you’re playing Powell as a second striker in a front two. Don’t think you can play Baker, Vrancic and Powell in the same team. But you can play any two of them in a midfield 3 with another player whether it's Allen, Thompson or the mythical beast of a midfielder yet to arrive Or could play all 3 if playing Powell off Brown
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 17, 2022 7:25:04 GMT
As I told you yesterday, I’m fine with another attacking midfielder starting over Powell if he’s the player in form. I think you can only play them in the same side if you’re playing Powell as a second striker in a front two. Don’t think you can play Baker, Vrancic and Powell in the same team. But you can play any two of them in a midfield 3 with another player whether it's Allen, Thompson or the mythical beast of a midfielder yet to arrive Or could play all 3 if playing Powell off Brown Yeah you can play a DM, Baker +1. Don’t you can play Baker/Vrancic in a midfield two.
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