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Post by SamB_SCFC on May 12, 2022 18:18:54 GMT
4. Not good enough but not so disastrous that we were ever in any relegation trouble. Should be replaced.
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Post by peterpan1 on May 12, 2022 20:35:04 GMT
3. He has a few redeeming qualities. Tactically, he's incredibly naive and IMHO not able to take the team above mid table mediocrity.
Nice bloke, but time for an amicable departure.
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Post by cdlstoke on May 12, 2022 20:46:10 GMT
2 Boring football, it would send a glass eye asleep.
First time in over 20 years not renewed, so he’s saved me a few Bob on a positive note.
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Post by thevoid on May 13, 2022 6:53:09 GMT
3. He has a few redeeming qualities. Tactically, he's incredibly naive and IMHO not able to take the team above mid table mediocrity. Nice bloke, but time for an amicable departure. Exactly, he doesn't deserve things to become too toxic against him |
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Post by thevoid on May 13, 2022 6:54:50 GMT
6 2 wins off a potential play off place and horrible injuries How does that work? We got 62 points 6th place achieved 75 points I make that 4 wins and a draw away from the playoffs (or 5 wins if our GD is not good enough) 2 wins would have left us 10th Plus, can you get 'nice' injuries? |
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Post by Gods on May 13, 2022 7:06:09 GMT
6 2 wins off a potential play off place and horrible injuries Didn't we finish on 62 points 13 points behind Luton on 75 points in 6th place? So 4 wins and a draw off the playoffs, or 5 wins given our inferior goal difference by my estimate :-) |
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Post by a on May 13, 2022 10:04:01 GMT
6 2 wins off a potential play off place and horrible injuries Didn't we finish on 62 points 13 points behind Luton on 75 points in 6th place? So 4 wins and a draw off the playoffs, or 5 wins given our inferior goal difference by my estimate :-) 😂 |
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 13, 2022 10:10:36 GMT
2/10 - completely lost his way and our performances at home since West Brom would put a glass eye into a coma.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 11:31:57 GMT
6 2 wins off a potential play off place and horrible injuries Didn't we finish on 62 points 13 points behind Luton on 75 points in 6th place? So 4 wins and a draw off the playoffs, or 5 wins given our inferior goal difference by my estimate :-) Yep we were a couple of wins off late on which is the first time we've ever been remotely discussing play offs at all , never mind so late in a season. Personally all for sticking with him with a couple of injuries clearing up perhaps but obviously a poor start won't help his cause. Kind of a nothing season but team a lot better than it was but still needs additions obviously and to prove certain things like learning how to hang on to a lead. Not into this- go get him every time an average manager becomes available for the sake of it. I mean Joey Barton, seriously ? Fact is we're obviously not in the market for a manager anyway |
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Post by mrcoke on May 13, 2022 11:48:00 GMT
The more I think of it, the lower my score gets!
3 points - for giving youth a chance, development of Souttar, Tymon, and Brown, and clearing out dead wood.
But 3 is a failure score because of
16th place, an improvement of 2 places is abject failure.
Poor players signings generally, doesn't know his best team and never stumbled on it, boring negative play, 4th worst xG in the league, inability to string wins or clean sheets together, poor game management losing loads of points from leading position, failure to come back in games, poor teamwork conceding goals from corners and failing to score from corners. Why are so many Stoke players so inconsistent - good one match, poor the next?
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Post by independent on May 13, 2022 12:16:50 GMT
Probably because they are not as good as some people think they are. They look good when they are allowed to play. But then, Who doesn't?
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Post by Gods on May 13, 2022 12:49:55 GMT
Didn't we finish on 62 points 13 points behind Luton on 75 points in 6th place? So 4 wins and a draw off the playoffs, or 5 wins given our inferior goal difference by my estimate :-) Yep we were a couple of wins off late on which is the first time we've ever been remotely discussing play offs at all , never mind so late in a season. Personally all for sticking with him with a couple of injuries clearing up perhaps but obviously a poor start won't help his cause. Kind of a nothing season but team a lot better than it was but still needs additions obviously and to prove certain things like learning how to hang on to a lead. Not into this- go get him every time an average manager becomes available for the sake of it. I mean Joey Barton, seriously ? Fact is we're obviously not in the market for a manager anyway I'm for sticking with him too, just making the point we finished more than a couple of wins short :-) |
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Post by thehoof on May 13, 2022 13:05:00 GMT
4- a wasted season, for the most part flat and boring football , odd moments of good stuff, but mostly a mish mash of clueless selections, formations and non - existent tactical nous.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 13:13:07 GMT
Yep we were a couple of wins off late on which is the first time we've ever been remotely discussing play offs at all , never mind so late in a season. Personally all for sticking with him with a couple of injuries clearing up perhaps but obviously a poor start won't help his cause. Kind of a nothing season but team a lot better than it was but still needs additions obviously and to prove certain things like learning how to hang on to a lead. Not into this- go get him every time an average manager becomes available for the sake of it. I mean Joey Barton, seriously ? Fact is we're obviously not in the market for a manager anyway I'm for sticking with him too, just making the point we finished more than a couple of wins short :-) Ok 4 then or whatever it was but closest ever been . To be honest not browsed the final table as in denial a bit and doesn't cheer you up 😄 |
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Post by baystokie on May 13, 2022 17:58:38 GMT
He achieved a 45% points total, which is borderline average minus something for entertainment value plus something for having to financially operate with his hands tied plus something for having cleared the deadwood. So the devil is in the 'something'.
Think 6 is about right IMHO!
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Post by Pugsley on May 13, 2022 18:06:25 GMT
5 - Average
Even under the most difficult circumstance - working for these clueless owners, unfathomable workload, injuries - we should have done better.
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Post by foxysgloves on May 14, 2022 9:36:20 GMT
6
Very frustrating season. More questions than answers.
But he’s maintained that consistency and calmness that I think we needed after seasons of decline and upheaval.
He’s managed a significant squad overhaul while dealing with significant injuries.
We should still have made the play offs but this division is unforgiving and you get nothing given to you.
Hopefully he has a clear vision of what we will look like on the first day of next season because I haven’t a clue.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 9:40:51 GMT
6 Very frustrating season. More questions than answers. But he’s maintained that consistency and calmness that I think we needed after seasons of decline and upheaval. He’s managed a significant squad overhaul while dealing with significant injuries. We should still have made the play offs but this division is unforgiving and you get nothing given to you. Hopefully he has a clear vision of what we will look like on the first day of next season because I haven’t a clue. Pretty much nails it in my opinion. I expected us to make the play-offs, especially after the start we had. There's no doubting that he has been treading water for a good percentage of the season on the pitch, but the good work he has done with ridding the club of all the deadwood it was carrying, and the glimpses of what a good side we can be, gives him the summer and the start of next season to see if he can finally push us on to the play-offs. If this doesn't happen, it's a see ya later and thanks. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 14, 2022 14:34:57 GMT
3. Not brave enough to win games particularly at home. Boring, safety first football. Won’t change, get rid.
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Post by peterthornesboots on May 14, 2022 14:56:01 GMT
4/5
And that is probably generous!
After such a positive start it's been incredibly disappointing to see our season just fade away. By the time we got to March our season was effectively over.
I'm absolutely convinced that this squad should not have finished in the bottom half of the Championship. I'm not saying that we should have walked into the play offs, but to finish so far off sixth (despite a late run of positive results in dead rubber matches over the last month or so) tells it's own story.
People will point to injuries, but the manager has to find a way to adapt and, ultimately, to recruit better. We can't just down tools every season as soon as we have some players missing. We have to be more resilient than that.
The only real saving grace for MoN is that he has done a very, very good job of getting the big earners off the books and replacing them for minimal cost. I'm no accountant, but his financial management and how he has sought to balance the books must be exceptional.
MoN will still be here for the start of next season, but I doubt that he is able to build a team capable of winning enough games to finish in the top six. He's too pragmatic, predictable, and unable to positively influence the outcome of games (by making substitutes or tactical changes).
I genuinely hope that he groves me wrong, but he needs an exceptional summer transfer window and to hit he ground running when the new season kicks in.
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Post by xchpotter on May 14, 2022 15:07:40 GMT
I guess an average score out of 10 would be 5. However, he had far better resources at his disposal and didn’t know how to use them. Throw in his negative mindset to the game and it’s a 2 at best from me.
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Post by stokie63 on May 14, 2022 15:35:07 GMT
2 good start then bottles it no change next year.
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Post by musik on May 14, 2022 17:46:03 GMT
Sidibe and his son?
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