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Post by theonlooker on May 12, 2022 17:30:16 GMT
So what do they do if Luton go up? Just not use it at Kenilworth Road because it's a shit hole?
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Post by LphPotter on May 12, 2022 17:37:49 GMT
It’s still the same competition, you cannot use it now when it hasn’t been used all season. It’s just wrong. Same as when they do it in the cups depending on the ground it’s being played at. Why is it wrong? What extra fairness would be conferred on the rest of the division by them not using it now? It’s the same teams playing the same games with the same rules. It favours nobody. What if a team in the final game of the season needed a win to get into the play offs and conceded a last minute equaliser that would have been given offside with var? So they miss out on the play offs because there was no var but now it will be used in those play offs? It has to be competition wide or not at all surely
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Post by PotterLog on May 12, 2022 17:42:52 GMT
Why is it wrong? What extra fairness would be conferred on the rest of the division by them not using it now? It’s the same teams playing the same games with the same rules. It favours nobody. What if a team in the final game of the season needed a win to get into the play offs and conceded a last minute equaliser that would have been given offside with var? So they miss out on the play offs because there was no var but now it will be used in those play offs? How would not using VAR now rectify that situation? A random team in a different game might possibly be the victim of a bad decision, therefore it’s fairer? If anything you’re making a stronger case to use it now because it reduces errors in big games.
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Post by LphPotter on May 12, 2022 17:47:09 GMT
What if a team in the final game of the season needed a win to get into the play offs and conceded a last minute equaliser that would have been given offside with var? So they miss out on the play offs because there was no var but now it will be used in those play offs? How would not using VAR now rectify that situation? A random team in a different game might possibly be the victim of a bad decision, therefore it’s fairer? If anything you’re making a stronger case to use it now because it reduces errors in big games. It wouldn’t rectify that error clearly, but it would mean the whole season has been consistent and the method of refereeing has not been changed at the end. I’m not saying don’t use it in big games, I’m saying make it consistent over the whole season not when someone decides what a big game is. Any game can potentially be a big game in a teams season so use it throughout or not at all.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 17:57:34 GMT
Utter wank. VAR needs binning asap.
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Post by leicspotter on May 12, 2022 17:59:42 GMT
Utter wank. VAR needs binning asap. The voice of reason...I say, the voice of reason!
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Post by franklin on May 12, 2022 20:57:43 GMT
Utter wank. VAR needs binning asap. I agree its shit.
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Post by stokie223 on May 13, 2022 8:38:47 GMT
Even if VAR made a call in the final which meant the result of the game was decided fairly after the on-field referee/linesmen had missed something, this is still absolutely the wrong decision. We either have VAR in the Championship, or we don't. End of story. Irrespective of the importance of the fixture, it's completely wrong to pick and choose when to use it. As others have alluded to - there could have been many calls over the course of a full season which have cost teams points, which have in turn led to them missing the playoffs (or automatic promotion) by the skin of their teeth. Teems may have been relegated that could have stayed up with VAR. It's completely unfair on the rest of the league. You only have to pluck one game out of thin air - Stoke vs. Huddersfield. They should have been down to 10, we should have had a penalty. Different result IMO. Extrapolate that over the year and there could be a few teams which very easily could have been a place or two higher/lower in the league. Using or not using VAR now has absolutely no effect on the rest of the league. The rules are the same, sometimes bad decisions are made, with and without VAR. Using it in the playoffs now has no bearing whatsoever on what’s come before. I never suggested that using VAR now would have any effect on the rest of the league NOW, that wasn't my point at all. I think that's plainly obvious as the season has already finished. In my opinion, it is wrong that 500+ games are allowed to go ahead without the benefit of having decisions double-checked, or decisions made that the on-field referee has missed, and then 5 games do get that benefit. If we had VAR throughout then the league table could well look slightly different, and as I say in my previous post there could be teams that didn't get in to the playoffs which should have done (hypothetically speaking) and that is the reason why it's unfair on the rest of the league. When teams are scrapping for every point, and promotion/relegation hinges on that, no one fixture is any more or less important and that's why it doesn't sit well with me. We either have VAR, or we don't. No picking and choosing. I'm unsure how anyone would think it was fair - whilst the rules themselves aren't changing, per se, it is certainly moving the goalposts (pun intended).
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Post by Bera’s Beano on May 13, 2022 8:46:58 GMT
It’s still the same competition, you cannot use it now when it hasn’t been used all season. It’s just wrong. Same as when they do it in the cups depending on the ground it’s being played at. Why is it wrong? What extra fairness would be conferred on the rest of the division by them not using it now? It’s the same teams playing the same games with the same rules. It favours nobody. You must be able to understand what is being said and that it isn't right? It would be like not using VAR at any point in a world cup and then suddenly deciding we should use it in the final because the result is far too important not to. You can't change things during a season, it totally undermines the integrity of the competition.
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Post by PotterLog on May 13, 2022 13:35:12 GMT
Why is it wrong? What extra fairness would be conferred on the rest of the division by them not using it now? It’s the same teams playing the same games with the same rules. It favours nobody. You must be able to understand what is being said and that it isn't right? It would be like not using VAR at any point in a world cup and then suddenly deciding we should use it in the final because the result is far too important not to. You can't change things during a season, it totally undermines the integrity of the competition. I can understand why people intuitively feel it's not right, but I think it's a false impression. I'm not seeing anyone remotely explain why, beyond "it's just wrong" and "you can't change things". What elements of the integrity of the competition are being compromised by using VAR in these games? It's literally just a device to help officiate a game, I don't see it as any different from, let's say, a referee using an earpiece and microphone in some games and not others. Or goal-line technology for that matter. It's a completely neutral thing, it's of no inherent benefit or advantage to anyone. Even in these games it's only 50/50 whether any particular team will "benefit" because you're as likely as not to be on the receiving end of a decision that wouldn't otherwise have been made. Most people don't even like it ffs
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Post by followyoudown on May 13, 2022 13:57:27 GMT
So what do they do if Luton go up? Just not use it at Kenilworth Road because it's a shit hole? If Luton get promoted someone to help the ref keep score would be more useful than VAR !
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Post by mickmillslovechild on May 13, 2022 14:01:14 GMT
My main concern is how long the bloody game will be as a consequence of using VAR.
These are Championship teams with Championship level defenders. There's going to be penalty checks at every bloody corner and free kick for holding and pushing.
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Post by followyoudown on May 13, 2022 14:01:27 GMT
You must be able to understand what is being said and that it isn't right? It would be like not using VAR at any point in a world cup and then suddenly deciding we should use it in the final because the result is far too important not to. You can't change things during a season, it totally undermines the integrity of the competition. I can understand why people intuitively feel it's not right, but I think it's a false impression. I'm not seeing anyone remotely explain why, beyond "it's just wrong" and "you can't change things". What elements of the integrity of the competition are being compromised by using VAR in these games? It's literally just a device to help officiate a game, I don't see it as any different from, let's say, a referee using an earpiece and microphone in some games and not others. Or goal-line technology for that matter. It's a completely neutral thing, it's of no inherent benefit or advantage to anyone. Even in these games it's only 50/50 whether any particular team will "benefit" because you're as likely as not to be on the receiving end of a decision that wouldn't otherwise have been made. Most people don't even like it ffs Whilst I agree with much of that Forest must be particularly aggrieved if it had been used in their game at Bournemouth their goal stands and they would have had a penalty or a bournemouth sending off wasn't it meaning they'd have been in pole position for automatic promotion.
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 13, 2022 14:20:26 GMT
So if it’s only to be used in the final this could open the floodgates for legal challenges for compensation should a team lose in one of the semis due to a obvious wrong decision that would have been changed by VAR. In fact I hope this happens leaving EFL with a real headache.
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Post by PotterLog on May 13, 2022 14:54:38 GMT
I can understand why people intuitively feel it's not right, but I think it's a false impression. I'm not seeing anyone remotely explain why, beyond "it's just wrong" and "you can't change things". What elements of the integrity of the competition are being compromised by using VAR in these games? It's literally just a device to help officiate a game, I don't see it as any different from, let's say, a referee using an earpiece and microphone in some games and not others. Or goal-line technology for that matter. It's a completely neutral thing, it's of no inherent benefit or advantage to anyone. Even in these games it's only 50/50 whether any particular team will "benefit" because you're as likely as not to be on the receiving end of a decision that wouldn't otherwise have been made. Most people don't even like it ffs Whilst I agree with much of that Forest must be particularly aggrieved if it had been used in their game at Bournemouth their goal stands and they would have had a penalty or a bournemouth sending off wasn't it meaning they'd have been in pole position for automatic promotion. Yeah I get that, but ultimately it's just a "what if" scenario.. all it is really is an argument *for* using VAR from now on, to avoid such errors.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 16, 2022 12:27:30 GMT
Being used for all 3 play off finals now
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