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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 18:42:51 GMT
This falls into the Collins category for me - have we become the sort of club who sells medium / long term potential quality to buy short term ‘do a job in the championship’ quantity? We probably have and it’s a bit depressing. That's exactly what we should be doing imo. What we have done poorly with Collins and Bursik is not played either to get the most money for their potential. We have an add on with Collins and nothing to suggest Bursik will make it at a higher level. Your track record on that front not great . Can talk about potential all day but doesn't make a player better than he realistically is. Where is your certain to play for Belgium golden boy now?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 18:45:39 GMT
This falls into the Collins category for me - have we become the sort of club who sells medium / long term potential quality to buy short term ‘do a job in the championship’ quantity? We probably have and it’s a bit depressing. That's exactly what we should be doing imo. What we have done poorly with Collins and Bursik is not played either to get the most money for their potential. If we'd played Bursik more we'd probably lose money as potential suitors would realise he's not very good.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 19:02:08 GMT
That's exactly what we should be doing imo. What we have done poorly with Collins and Bursik is not played either to get the most money for their potential. possibly done poorly but Collins has been one of the highest transfer fees we've received to date. So could have been done worse, surely. But still should have done better. And should have actually played him at centre half and made him captain to try and actually retain him for a bit longer.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 19:03:15 GMT
That's exactly what we should be doing imo. What we have done poorly with Collins and Bursik is not played either to get the most money for their potential. We have an add on with Collins and nothing to suggest Bursik will make it at a higher level. Your track record on that front not great . Can talk about potential all day but doesn't make a player better than he realistically is. Where is your certain to play for Belgium golden boy now? Bursik is highly rated in football. He’s the regular goalie for the u21 team. I don’t think he’s that good but he’s clearly rated by people that matter. We should have been playing him to maximise his value.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 19:03:53 GMT
That's exactly what we should be doing imo. What we have done poorly with Collins and Bursik is not played either to get the most money for their potential. If we'd played Bursik more we'd probably lose money as potential suitors would realise he's not very good. No we wouldn’t. There was no reason to drop him in the first place and he’s clearly very highly rated within the game.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 19:18:48 GMT
That's exactly what we should be doing imo. What we have done poorly with Collins and Bursik is not played either to get the most money for their potential. If we'd played Bursik more we'd probably lose money as potential suitors would realise he's not very good. Can't argue with that. Another Fielding, Pidgeley etc for me.
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Post by march4 on May 12, 2022 19:30:13 GMT
I fear some of our future stars will sadly leave this summer.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 19:33:38 GMT
If we'd played Bursik more we'd probably lose money as potential suitors would realise he's not very good. No we wouldn’t. There was no reason to drop him in the first place and he’s clearly very highly rated within the game. Opinions can soon change. Their are plenty of former England under 21 keepers who have gone on to have very mediocre careers. Sorry I just don't see the potential in Bursik. If we can get a 2/3 million I think we should sell.
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Post by questionable on May 12, 2022 19:34:50 GMT
If we'd played Bursik more we'd probably lose money as potential suitors would realise he's not very good. No we wouldn’t. There was no reason to drop him in the first place and he’s clearly very highly rated within the game. All about individual opinions Bayern but in mine he’s totally crap, Coventry he was embarrassing, no awareness and looked like a little boy and a million miles away from a regular competent keeper, before you mention his saves any very half decent keeper would have made them. We’d be lucky to get £500k for him at the very best
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 19:35:50 GMT
I fear some of our future stars will sadly leave this summer. Who are these future stars just so we know?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 19:40:16 GMT
No we wouldn’t. There was no reason to drop him in the first place and he’s clearly very highly rated within the game. Opinions can soon change. Their are plenty of former England under 21 keepers who have gone on to have very mediocre careers. Sorry I just don't see the potential in Bursik. If we can get a 2/3 million I think we should sell. He’s shown it anyway and still a PL club are linked. I think we can do better but I also think he was a potential cash cow that we will now struggle to milk because of the actions of the manager.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 19:41:09 GMT
No we wouldn’t. There was no reason to drop him in the first place and he’s clearly very highly rated within the game. All about individual opinions Bayern but in mine he’s totally crap, Coventry he was embarrassing, no awareness and looked like a little boy and a million miles away from a regular competent keeper, before you mention his saves any very half decent keeper would have made them. We’d be lucky to get £500k for him at the very best I never said I overly rated him….. Selling an England u21 goalie to a PL team for that?
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Post by questionable on May 12, 2022 19:44:43 GMT
All about individual opinions Bayern but in mine he’s totally crap, Coventry he was embarrassing, no awareness and looked like a little boy and a million miles away from a regular competent keeper, before you mention his saves any very half decent keeper would have made them. We’d be lucky to get £500k for him at the very best I never said I overly rated him….. Selling an England u21 goalie to a PL team for that? If Gillinghams reserve keeper rightfully keeps him out of the team whoever offers money I’d snatch their hands off.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 19:47:36 GMT
I never said I overly rated him….. Selling an England u21 goalie to a PL team for that? If Gillinghams reserve keeper rightfully keeps him out of the team whoever offers money I’d snatch their hands off. I don’t think he ever should have been dropped for said keeper mind. And I disagree for the reasons stated. He’s very highly rated in the game.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2022 19:49:11 GMT
Opinions can soon change. Their are plenty of former England under 21 keepers who have gone on to have very mediocre careers. Sorry I just don't see the potential in Bursik. If we can get a 2/3 million I think we should sell. He’s shown it anyway and still a PL club are linked. I think we can do better but I also think he was a potential cash cow that we will now struggle to milk because of the actions of the manager. For him to be a potential cash cow he has to play and play well for us to increase his value. If we play him and he doesn't improve his value plummets. I know you have to have the last word so I'll leave it there. I'll watch his blossoming career with interest.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 19:56:23 GMT
He’s shown it anyway and still a PL club are linked. I think we can do better but I also think he was a potential cash cow that we will now struggle to milk because of the actions of the manager. For him to be a potential cash cow he has to play and play well for us to increase his value. If we play him and he doesn't improve his value plummets. I know you have to have the last word so I'll leave it there. I'll watch his blossoming career with interest. But he has played badly and still has a PL club linked? His value of 2/3m now is below what it should be because he hasn’t been playing. We needed to play him all season. The way we have handled the goalkeepers has been appalling.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 19:57:28 GMT
And I agree, I don’t think he’s a particularly good keeper but people that matter do and that’s what matters and what always mattered.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 12, 2022 20:11:56 GMT
And I agree, I don’t think he’s a particularly good keeper but people that matter do and that’s what matters and what always mattered. So, just to make this clear Bayern, are you saying he’s highly rated in the game or not?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 20:12:43 GMT
And I agree, I don’t think he’s a particularly good keeper but people that matter do and that’s what matters and what always mattered. Si, to make this clear Bayern, are you saying he’s highly rated in the game or not? He clearly is apart from by our useless manager.
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Post by Sfance on May 12, 2022 20:45:00 GMT
It’s not just the manager that thinks he’s toss. I do too.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 20:48:40 GMT
It’s not just the manager that thinks he’s toss. I do too. I don’t think he’s much better either. But I also see the value in him. And that’s what we should have been trying to get. He should have played a full season. I still think we’ll get a few million but it should be more. Sell him then move on. Strategically it’s a big fail.
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Post by Sfance on May 12, 2022 20:54:11 GMT
Well, we’ll never know, will we, so you will be able to safely make the same claim for the next goodness-knows-long, and no-one will be able to prove it one way or the other. In general though I agree that MON should be shown the door before, god help us, he’s let loose on another season.
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Post by callas12 on May 12, 2022 21:39:45 GMT
Depending on how Burnley finish I'd be interested in either of their current backups, ie Hennessey and Peacock Farrell. Saw Peacock Farrell play for Sheff Weds in them play off matches against Sunderland & don't think he's all that great nor what we need. Always thought Hennessey has been a steady keeper but he's ageing now & missed alot of time out injured in his last year at Palace. Probably similar type of situation Ben Foster finds himself in. My daughter was watching the Cycling GK last night & I did for a short moment wonder if he'd be able to do a job for us still. He's been a great keeper and servant to clubs throughout his career and is a well likeable bloke but not sure he's part of our plans going forward..
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Post by pieofpeter on May 12, 2022 21:40:30 GMT
12-13 million and 30% sell on clause and I'd take it. Need a sell on him as Bournmouth allwaya get good cash for their players!
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 12, 2022 21:44:05 GMT
12-13 million and 30% sell on clause and I'd take it. Need a sell on him as Bournmouth allwaya get good cash for their players! And then you woke up…
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Post by baystokie on May 12, 2022 21:49:50 GMT
Si, to make this clear Bayern, are you saying he’s highly rated in the game or not? He clearly is apart from by our useless manager. Of course, our manager might think that, as with many players, they need helping through periods of poor form particularly where their inexperience doesn't help their situation. Just an alternative view?
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Post by pieofpeter on May 12, 2022 21:50:10 GMT
12-13 million and 30% sell on clause and I'd take it. Need a sell on him as Bournmouth allwaya get good cash for their players! And then you woke up… Your price is?
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Post by baystokie on May 12, 2022 21:52:28 GMT
It’s not just the manager that thinks he’s toss. I do too. MON has the player's interests to consider, not playing him when the situation demands, does not always mean that it's a verdict of 'toss'.
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Post by baystokie on May 12, 2022 21:56:30 GMT
And I agree, I don’t think he’s a particularly good keeper but people that matter do and that’s what matters and what always mattered. People 'in the game' rate him, Scott Parker seemingly rates him - does that not make anyone on here think they MIGHT be wrong? Better judges than us might know a bit more about what makes a goalkeeper.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 22:28:09 GMT
He clearly is apart from by our useless manager. Of course, our manager might think that, as with many players, they need helping through periods of poor form particularly where their inexperience doesn't help their situation. Just an alternative view? Chopping and changing your keepers like he has this season isn’t how to give them confidence. None of them had a good season. And that wasn’t helped by the manager.
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