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Post by werrington on May 1, 2022 10:37:55 GMT
Are there any outstanding keepers in this league? Haven’t seen many. And it should be no surprise that the statistically better goalies play for the better teams. They’ll be getting better protection from their teammates in front of them. Iversen at Preston is who we should go for, on loan from Leicester and I can't see him displacing Schmeichel although he might end up being number two if they move Danny Ward on (who I'd take also btw)......... And when he makes a few mistakes? We don’t need a new goalkeeper….we have a 21 year old England international who’s going to become a fantastic keeper mate No fucker has any patience beyond 3 games on here |
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Post by cvillestokie on May 1, 2022 10:38:37 GMT
Heard Andy Griffin on Radio Stoke a week or so ago & he said if Bursik is good enough to play for England Under 21's he should be good enough to play for us and he felt there was something wrong with the fact that he was sat on the bench instead of playing which was at the time Bonham was playing in goals for us. He also said that if he's good enough and so highly rated within football the fact he's 21 shouldn't make a difference which is a great point well made. Phil Fodens the same age & he seems to have been around forever. He's been nurtured up to this point but at 21 is considered a key part of a Premier League winning side and also an England squad that got to the Euro Finals Bukayo Saka is only 20 and he's well established in the Arsenal and England set up. As age shouldn't be used as an issue, England set up obviously rate him highly why is he not delivering or considered solid No.1 for us? Age means very different things for different positions though. Attacking players often come through earlier as the pace/energy outweighs the inexperience. Defensive games are all about seeing what’s coming at you and having the discipline to stay there. Kasper Schmeichel didn’t start playing properly in the Championship until he was 24, for example. He had a bit part there and was then demoted to league one before becoming a Championship regular at around 24. |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on May 1, 2022 10:40:49 GMT
Oh ffs not this again 21 year old young kid, England international being written off on the oatcake ….see Campbell also It really is becoming a cess pit this place No, it’s always been a cesspit of the I’ll informed, prejudiced, mealy mouthed and downright stupid. |
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Post by Do it for dobing on May 1, 2022 10:41:44 GMT
Iversen at Preston is who we should go for, on loan from Leicester and I can't see him displacing Schmeichel although he might end up being number two if they move Danny Ward on (who I'd take also btw)......... And when he makes a few mistakes? We don’t need a new goalkeeper….we have a 21 year old England international who’s going to become a fantastic keeper No fucker has any patience beyond 3 games on here Hes not stopping many shots or claiming many crosses ,maybe go back out on loan ,potential is not helping the present
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Post by callas12 on May 1, 2022 10:45:57 GMT
Heard Andy Griffin on Radio Stoke a week or so ago & he said if Bursik is good enough to play for England Under 21's he should be good enough to play for us and he felt there was something wrong with the fact that he was sat on the bench instead of playing which was at the time Bonham was playing in goals for us. He also said that if he's good enough and so highly rated within football the fact he's 21 shouldn't make a difference which is a great point well made. Phil Fodens the same age & he seems to have been around forever. He's been nurtured up to this point but at 21 is considered a key part of a Premier League winning side and also an England squad that got to the Euro Finals Bukayo Saka is only 20 and he's well established in the Arsenal and England set up. As age shouldn't be used as an issue, England set up obviously rate him highly why is he not delivering or considered solid No.1 for us? Age means very different things for different positions though. Attacking players often come through earlier as the pace/energy outweighs the inexperience. Defensive games are all about seeing what’s coming at you and having the discipline to stay there. Kasper Schmeichel didn’t start playing properly in the Championship until he was 24, for example. He had a bit part there and was then demoted to league one before becoming a Championship regular at around 24. Yeah good point. Keepers careers generally far outlast outfield players the other side of the age scale aswell don't they. |
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Post by silverdollar on May 1, 2022 10:51:49 GMT
Oh ffs not this again 21 year old young kid, England international being written off on the oatcake ….see Campbell also It really is becoming a cess pit this place It is not becoming a cass pit! It already is. |
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Post by oslostokie1 on May 1, 2022 10:52:23 GMT
This year we have had one game where I thought, “wow, the goalie kept us in it properly there”, that was QPR and Davies. Every other game this season I’ve either felt “meh, they were okay”, or “wow, they were tripe”. So that’s one good game I can really remember from our lot in 45 this season, perhaps Bonham had one recently too. It’s an issue i take with, “not really his fault” as well. Just because they were not easy shots, doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t be saving them. You only have stand out games as a goalkeeper when you are making a lot of saves or dealing with a high volume of crosses. Otherwise it’s just meh or tripe. A key component to any match is having a goalie who isn’t going to leak goals left and right. Despite being fairly dull going forward, we’ve barely kept a clean sheet this season. It’s an area that needs addressing as a priority this window. Bursik isn’t ready. We should try and see if a team promoted to the league want him on loan, or send him to league 1. Trying to rotate him through hasn’t worked this season and he simply can’t do the most important thing a goalkeeper needs to. I don’t particularly care if he plays for the U21s, so did Fielding. Here’s a list of them: www.transfermarkt.us/england-u21/torhueterchronik/verein/9565Few of them have made it on to become top goalkeepers. Agreed I cannot think of one decent save he has made all season |
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 1, 2022 10:52:27 GMT
How can you write off a keeper when he couldn't do anything about any of the goals? I knew this would happen, depressingly predictable.
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Post by Do it for dobing on May 1, 2022 10:59:45 GMT
How can you write off a keeper when he couldn't do anything about any of the goals? I knew this would happen, depressingly predictable. Its not about yday ,his performances this season have been average to sub standard,nobodys writing him off needs to go out on loan again |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 1, 2022 11:03:39 GMT
He's young, especially in terms of goalkeeping.... Bags of time to develop!!!
Have to say though, I prefer Bonham in goal at the mo!!!
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Post by jokker on May 1, 2022 11:04:52 GMT
I didn't watch yesterday's game because of a family wake, but I just look at the facts. This was only his second game after a long absence, during which the only football he played was training, no reserve team games, because we don't have one. He needs time longer than "the moment" to get back to the huge talent he is. Do you think Banks was a world beater when he was young and playing in the lower divisions?
[/b] He was outstanding hence the move to Leicester and to the England senior team.Comparing Bursik to Banks is ridiculous,the latter was one of the greatest of all time [/quote] Comparing Banks at the height of his career to Bursik at the start of his is even more ridiculous. Banksie and Bursik have so far travelled similar paths, making their debuts at 20, but Joe is playing for a higher placed club with huge expectations, which Banks didn't have at Chesterfield, where he was allowed to develop quietly. Banks himself has talked about making some dreadful mistakes at first. One big difference though. Banks had the full backing of his manager, whereas Bursik has nothing of the sort, and although he looks quite cocky on the pitch, any young keeper needs a manager who tells him he's stellar. |
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Post by Do it for dobing on May 1, 2022 11:11:38 GMT
He played 23 games for Chesterfield and was snapped up immediately by Leicester,and in his first season there forced himself into the first team
nothing quiet about Gordon
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Post by jokker on May 1, 2022 11:13:50 GMT
Are there any outstanding keepers in this league? Haven’t seen many. And it should be no surprise that the statistically better goalies play for the better teams. They’ll be getting better protection from their teammates in front of them. Iversen at Preston is who we should go for, on loan from Leicester and I can't see him displacing Schmeichel although he might end up being number two if they move Danny Ward on (who I'd take also btw)......... While Iversen would probably be flattered to be considered as keeper at the same club as compatriots Sørensen and Haugaard, I have it on good authority that he sees his next move to be in the PL or similar continental top leagues. |
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Post by xchpotter on May 1, 2022 11:16:53 GMT
He could be a very, very good goalkeeper, but needs games and experience. The Championship behind our shite defence and powder puff midfield isn’t the place to get that experience without some serious damage to his confidence. A full season at a league 1 side and then bring him back for another go for me.
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Post by jokker on May 1, 2022 11:17:35 GMT
He played 23 games for Chesterfield and was snapped up immediately by Leicester,and in his first season there forced himself into the first team nothing quiet about Gordon I referred to Chesterfield only where he spent the first six yeaars of his career. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 1, 2022 11:30:52 GMT
IF we decide to replace our keepers,which club would want to get rid of a good goalkeeper,unless a large amount of money was involved,which we don't have.
So we will replace our keepers with freebies,loans or cheap options,who may be even worse.
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Post by Do it for dobing on May 1, 2022 11:35:13 GMT
He played 23 games for Chesterfield and was snapped up immediately by Leicester,and in his first season there forced himself into the first team nothing quiet about Gordon I referred to Chesterfield only where he spent the first six yeaars of his career. He was 16yrs old when he joined them and also he did his national service in that 6yrs.Bursik at the moment is a long way off being mentioned in the same sentence as Gordon Banks
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Post by jokker on May 1, 2022 11:44:22 GMT
I referred to Chesterfield only where he spent the first six yeaars of his career. He was 16yrs old when he joined them and also he did his national service in that 6yrs.Bursik at the moment is a long way off being mentioned in the same sentence as Gordon Banks
He needs to up his game The only thing I said was that Banks also made mistakes when he was a younhg keeper. No comparison between the great Banks and the young Bursik at all. Now can you conclusively prove Banks never made mistakes? Of course you can't when he himself has referred to them, some of them in his Stoke days too. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 1, 2022 11:51:19 GMT
He’s very young for a keeper. Unlike other positions they don’t generally reach there peak till later in there career. Bonham is a better keeper than i expected him to be but I’d like us to have a better backup as Bursic still has a lot to learn and will have bad patches where he needs resting.
Such a shame Grant left as I really liked him.
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Post by greenhoff on May 1, 2022 11:54:36 GMT
I just don't see it with Bursik. He's a very poor shot stopper which is a bit of a problem for a keeper.
Our keepers have cost us all season and the worry for me is that MON doesn't see it as a problem, which is on par with his decision on a defensive beast of a midfielder. Both in my opinion have and will continue to cost us.
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Post by Do it for dobing on May 1, 2022 12:16:21 GMT
The only thing I said was that Banks also made mistakes when he was a younhg keeper. No comparison between the great Banks and the young Bursik at all. Now can you conclusively prove Banks never made mistakes? Of course you can't when he himself has referred to them, some of them in his Stoke days too. I was 11yrs old when he came to Stoke and stood on the Boothen End,he was already a world cup winner and I assure u he made few mistakes he made everything look easy[/b]
Bursik at the moment is not fit to lace up Banks boots
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Post by cvillestokie on May 1, 2022 12:26:18 GMT
[/b] He was outstanding hence the move to Leicester and to the England senior team.Comparing Bursik to Banks is ridiculous,the latter was one of the greatest of all time [/quote] Comparing Banks at the height of his career to Bursik at the start of his is even more ridiculous. Banksie and Bursik have so far travelled similar paths, making their debuts at 20, but Joe is playing for a higher placed club with huge expectations, which Banks didn't have at Chesterfield, where he was allowed to develop quietly. Banks himself has talked about making some dreadful mistakes at first. One big difference though. Banks had the full backing of his manager, whereas Bursik has nothing of the sort, and although he looks quite cocky on the pitch, any young keeper needs a manager who tells him he's stellar.[/quote] I’m sure there is more than “one big difference” between a goalkeeper who went on to be considered one of the best ever, and a young goalkeeper who can’t save basic shots. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 1, 2022 13:11:04 GMT
Iversen at Preston is who we should go for, on loan from Leicester and I can't see him displacing Schmeichel although he might end up being number two if they move Danny Ward on (who I'd take also btw)......... And when he makes a few mistakes? We don’t need a new goalkeeper….we have a 21 year old England international who’s going to become a fantastic keeper mate No fucker has any patience beyond 3 games on here I have plenty of patience, I’m simply saying if we go for a keeper that’s who it should be in my opinion….. |
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Post by boweryboy on May 1, 2022 13:48:07 GMT
A good goalkeeper will save you so many points during a season,ours have cost us points too often.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on May 1, 2022 13:57:02 GMT
I think Bonham should be our first choice keeper for the rest of the season now!!! 😏
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Post by robwahlmann on May 1, 2022 14:13:46 GMT
I think Bonham should be our first choice keeper for the rest of the season now 😏 That's for one game!  |
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Post by stokesaint1 on May 1, 2022 14:20:16 GMT
May I suggest, based on team performances this season, we have much bigger problems that need sorting far more urgently than the keeper situation.
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Post by nonameface on May 1, 2022 14:51:44 GMT
The stats show that when he plays, he’s an average Champo keeper, which given his age and the level he’s playing at, is very impressive. He’ll continue to learn and get better, provided we stick with him. Based on the quality of the on target shots he's faced in the Championship (~100) he's allowed around 20% more goals than an average Championship keeper. That ranks him 147th out of 162 for keepers who have faced at least 20 shots since 2014. At 21 and 300 days he needs to start moving the dial. I'm not his biggest fan, but he seems okay, so could this below average performance be due to his age? What's he like compared to his peer group through the years? We possibly let go of Bachmann too early, maybe Bursik could be another. |
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Post by cvillestokie on May 1, 2022 15:01:41 GMT
May I suggest, based on team performances this season, we have much bigger problems that need sorting far more urgently than the keeper situation. I disagree. Our goalkeepers have too often let in soft goals and have rarely made saves this season that were deemed to be unexpected. Bursik may become a great goalkeeper, but he isn’t one right now. We are not going to challenge for playoffs next year with a goalkeeper who cannot stop average shots from beating him. We shouldn’t get rid, he may well get a lot better, but we should look at sending him out on loan to get more game time than he deserves here. |
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Post by fca47 on May 1, 2022 15:29:34 GMT
What a load of bollocks. Absolutely pointless post.
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