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Post by J-Roar on Jul 22, 2022 9:36:28 GMT
Cardiff at home was the eye opener for me. We were cruising at 3-0 Cardiff were running aro7nd like headless chickens not a clue then a speculative shot from an angle and Bursik did a Weetabix dive and they scored under his body. Stoke then got jittery and themselves went to pieces and we dropped 2 points with a draw. Don’t think we were quite the same team after that - how defining was that mistake to the confidence of the team. There is room to improve his goalkeeping skills and positioning. Let’s face it top goalies reach their best around mid to late 20’s so Will he learn from his mistakes and learn quickly - by dropping him he either goes into his shell and feels sorry for himself or he takes it on the chin and grow some balls. What we can’t have is someone with fragile mentality - we need winners and bullies to grasp this season by the balls Forest away was the final straw for me. For all his distribution assets, his concentration and shot stopping just isn't good enough.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 22, 2022 9:50:34 GMT
Cardiff at home was the eye opener for me. We were cruising at 3-0 Cardiff were running aro7nd like headless chickens not a clue then a speculative shot from an angle and Bursik did a Weetabix dive and they scored under his body. Stoke then got jittery and themselves went to pieces and we dropped 2 points with a draw. Don’t think we were quite the same team after that - how defining was that mistake to the confidence of the team. There is room to improve his goalkeeping skills and positioning. Let’s face it top goalies reach their best around mid to late 20’s so Will he learn from his mistakes and learn quickly - by dropping him he either goes into his shell and feels sorry for himself or he takes it on the chin and grow some balls. What we can’t have is someone with fragile mentality - we need winners and bullies to grasp this season by the balls Forest away was the final straw for me. For all his distribution assets, his concentration and shot stopping just isn't good enough. I honestly can't belive there are folk who think his distribution is a weakness. It's that good it was blinding me to the weakness in his shot stopping that was highlighted in the stats that Tachyon provided which make grim reading for Joe. For some strange reason the Scottish fella we keep getting linked with is the polar opposite good shot stopping poor distribution. Can we not just try to find a balance.
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 22, 2022 10:41:41 GMT
Forest away was the final straw for me. For all his distribution assets, his concentration and shot stopping just isn't good enough. I honestly can't belive there are folk who think his distribution is a weakness. It's that good it was blinding me to the weakness in his shot stopping that was highlighted in the stats that Tachyon provided which make grim reading for Joe. For some strange reason the Scottish fella we keep getting linked with is the polar opposite good shot stopping poor distribution. Can we not just try to find a balance. I'd rather have a good stopper. We aren't Man City.
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Post by baystokie on Jul 22, 2022 11:39:38 GMT
I see Pete Smith's article about Begovic and his opinion on Bursik and young goalkeepers development seems to be at odds with many on this forum. Of course, we need to allow for the fact that Asmir has been a keeper for all his playing career and has played at the highest level for both club and country..............?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 22, 2022 12:01:55 GMT
I honestly can't belive there are folk who think his distribution is a weakness. It's that good it was blinding me to the weakness in his shot stopping that was highlighted in the stats that Tachyon provided which make grim reading for Joe. For some strange reason the Scottish fella we keep getting linked with is the polar opposite good shot stopping poor distribution. Can we not just try to find a balance. I'd rather have a good stopper. We aren't Man City. I'd settle for Bursik's distribution and an average shot stopper. I'm far more concerned about the ammount of goals we score than concede.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Jul 22, 2022 18:04:22 GMT
I am confident that Bursik has all the attributes to be a good, even great keeper, unfortunately he is not there yet and we are not really in a position to let him learn on the job here. It is costing us too much. He needs a good experienced pro to work full time with him and help him develop. Maybe even more regular game time in a lower division, to help with progressing him to the required level within the Championship. My bottom line is that we need a better keeper for the upcoming season than we currently have.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 22, 2022 18:39:41 GMT
I see Pete Smith's article about Begovic and his opinion on Bursik and young goalkeepers development seems to be at odds with many on this forum. Of course, we need to allow for the fact that Asmir has been a keeper for all his playing career and has played at the highest level for both club and country..............? Begovic can have an opinion. And being a professional footballer it will be an informed one. However football littered with with 'prospects' that professionals have believed will make it 'to the top' only for them to fall short - sometimes by a long way. So whilst Begivic's opinion is certainly of interest, it's not the only one that should be considered.
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 22, 2022 19:40:52 GMT
I'd rather have a good stopper. We aren't Man City. I'd settle for Bursik's distribution and an average shot stopper. I'm far more concerned about the ammount of goals we score than concede. Each to their own.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 31, 2022 19:38:39 GMT
Had a decent game yesterday but I didn’t like his cocky turning to the fans one bit. We were a bit out of order with the ironic jeer but I thought his reaction was quite unprofessional and showed a bit of disconnect between the fans and players?
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Post by gawa on Jul 31, 2022 19:41:18 GMT
I'm one of his biggest critics but I thought he had a good game yesterday and didn't do much wrong. He looked confident too which was great.
For a young lad he does get a lot of stick.
I've no problems with arrogance if he can back it up on the pitch. Onwards and upwards Joe!
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Post by scfcwebby on Jul 31, 2022 20:34:33 GMT
Had a decent game yesterday but I didn’t like his cocky turning to the fans one bit. We were a bit out of order with the ironic jeer but I thought his reaction was quite unprofessional and showed a bit of disconnect between the fans and players? If you're going to give it, you need to be big enough to get it back. You're telling me that slowing the game down and taking time to pass it out to a CB is Joe's choice? Or is it what he's coached to do?
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Post by nonameface on Jul 31, 2022 20:39:11 GMT
Had a decent game yesterday but I didn’t like his cocky turning to the fans one bit. We were a bit out of order with the ironic jeer but I thought his reaction was quite unprofessional and showed a bit of disconnect between the fans and players? If he responded like that then that's a good reaction; he cares and wants to do well. We do need to be more patient with this young team, which is hard, especially when going to the games and the performances are poor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 10:29:15 GMT
I see Pete Smith's article about Begovic and his opinion on Bursik and young goalkeepers development seems to be at odds with many on this forum. Of course, we need to allow for the fact that Asmir has been a keeper for all his playing career and has played at the highest level for both club and country..............? And that he's hardly going to say that he's not very good when asked
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Post by a on Aug 1, 2022 11:16:36 GMT
Had a decent game yesterday but I didn’t like his cocky turning to the fans one bit. We were a bit out of order with the ironic jeer but I thought his reaction was quite unprofessional and showed a bit of disconnect between the fans and players? If he responded like that then that's a good reaction; he cares and wants to do well. We do need to be more patient with this young team, which is hard, especially when going to the games and the performances are poor. I’m not sure that is the case regarding patience. It’s been 3 seasons now and so far we look worse. I get that some young players are in the side, but there’s also decades of experience in there for balance.
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Post by bertiestan on Aug 1, 2022 12:20:50 GMT
Had a decent game yesterday but I didn’t like his cocky turning to the fans one bit. We were a bit out of order with the ironic jeer but I thought his reaction was quite unprofessional and showed a bit of disconnect between the fans and players? Works both ways...so called supporters getting on a 20 year olds back in the first 20 mins of a new season for not wanting to go short to the likes of flint who turns like the titanic is beyond moronic so I can't blame him one bit.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Aug 1, 2022 12:23:01 GMT
Had a decent game yesterday but I didn’t like his cocky turning to the fans one bit. We were a bit out of order with the ironic jeer but I thought his reaction was quite unprofessional and showed a bit of disconnect between the fans and players? Works both ways...so called supporters getting on a 20 year olds back in the first 20 mins of a new season for not wanting to go short to the likes of flint who turns like the titanic is beyond moronic so I can't blame him one bit. It was out of order jeering him but he shouldn't react.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 13:12:01 GMT
Bursik is not the keeper we are going to get promotion with.
There still needs development in attitude, mentality and his craft.
A season on loan would do both the team, the club and his career the best prospects.
He does not have the same aura as Sorenson or Begovic in goal just yet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 13:25:49 GMT
He is not the only goalie guilty of this , butland did the same thing.
But he loves to stay on his line for free kicks and corner kicks
I prefer the old school, massive bloke , who just comes and collects the ball ...Peter shilton , mark crossley , bego , Tommy Sorensen...
Or even a normal size keeper, who just comes and collects the ball anyway... Gordon banks
I just think it's extra pressure for the defence , if the keeper is rooted to his line
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Post by skip on Aug 1, 2022 13:28:53 GMT
Had a decent game yesterday but I didn’t like his cocky turning to the fans one bit. We were a bit out of order with the ironic jeer but I thought his reaction was quite unprofessional and showed a bit of disconnect between the fans and players? I'd have to disagree. The jeering wouldn't have helped one bit, so the side turn and smirk towards us was justified IMHO. Show's he's got a backbone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 14:45:33 GMT
I'd send him on loan for a season down to Joey Barton at Bristol Rovers to develop him and his game.
I don't think he inspires confidence in his defenders, talks enough or rules his area. That is how the two goals were conceded on Saturday.
You need a mean bastard in goal.
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 1, 2022 14:48:08 GMT
I'd send him on loan for a season down to Joey Barton at Bristol Rovers to develop him and his game. I don't think he inspires confidence in his defenders, talks enough or rules his area. That is how the two goals were conceded on Saturday. You need a mean bastard in goal. What makes you think Bristol want him ? Their keeper Belshaw is excellent and was man of the match on Saturday preventing an even heavier defeat .
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 1, 2022 14:56:38 GMT
Very good game v Millwall, not at fault for the goals & made 2 great saves, needs to persevere thim him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 14:57:20 GMT
sheds that is a valid point
ok is there a club in league 1 or league 2 or even abroad that will develop him?
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Post by a on Aug 1, 2022 15:01:49 GMT
Very good game v Millwall, not at fault for the goals & made 2 great saves, needs to persevere thim him. I’m not sure he’s good enough at the moment. I also agree with the idea of not dropping your keeper after every bad game, that just stops the building of confidence, but I’d rather stick with Bonham or bring more experience in and loan Joe out.
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 1, 2022 15:02:38 GMT
sheds that is a valid point ok is there a club in league 1 or league 2 or even abroad that will develop him? Well he did excellent at Peterborough. Reason I know about Bristol is my sisters fella is season ticket holder. Maybe we ought to stick with the lad. Having multiple changes in goal during the season does neither him or Bonham any favours. Either stick with Bursik or sign a first choice
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 15:14:28 GMT
we really need to consider if he has the ability to be a keeper who can get us into the top 6 at this stage in his career and I dont think he is ready just yet.
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Post by lordb on Aug 1, 2022 15:15:04 GMT
Very good game v Millwall, not at fault for the goals & made 2 great saves, needs to persevere thim him. I’m not sure he’s good enough at the moment. I also agree with the idea of not dropping your keeper after every bad game, that just stops the building of confidence, but I’d rather stick with Bonham or bring more experience in and loan Joe out. he played well enough in Saturday, he stays in the team given that
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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 1, 2022 15:16:41 GMT
sheds that is a valid point ok is there a club in league 1 or league 2 or even abroad that will develop him? Well he did excellent at Peterborough. Reason I know about Bristol is my sisters fella is season ticket holder. Maybe we ought to stick with the lad. Having multiple changes in goal during the season does neither him or Bonham any favours. Either stick with Bursik or sign a first choice Yeah I think we’ve got to stick with him, up to a point anyway. Obviously if he’s garbage and costing us for a fair few games he’ll need to be dropped but other than a massive drop in form I think he should be first choice. He was solid on Saturday, hopefully more of the same from him
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Post by thehoof on Aug 1, 2022 15:18:34 GMT
we really need to consider if he has the ability to be a keeper who can get us into the top 6 at this stage in his career and I dont think he is ready just yet. May be- but I don’t think O’Neill has the ability to motivate, pick and set up a team to get us anywhere near the play offs. I’d start with him first.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Aug 1, 2022 15:19:51 GMT
A senior keeper is very much required.
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