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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 16, 2022 16:46:55 GMT
Weak as piss
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Post by questionable on Jul 16, 2022 17:11:10 GMT
I've picked up on it but I still don't see how playing a player who keeps letting goals in he should be saving increases in value. Please explain. I don’t think it’s happened as often as you seem to think and playing him and giving him a run would only help him. The chopping and changing of the goalkeepers has helped none of them. Ask yourself this Bayern would he get into 50% of Championship Teams, no, in fact 75% of teams he wouldn’t. Would he get into a top 6 team or a promotion winning team 100% not so why should we be a charity for a piss poor young boy dreaming of becoming a good keeper. Mate I’ve got a lot of time for your posts but see it for it is, a piss poor keeper, we’re currently carrying some shit in this team more importantly carrying a dead weight manager followed by a clueless village idiot handed a football club by his dad to play with.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2022 17:15:27 GMT
I don’t think it’s happened as often as you seem to think and playing him and giving him a run would only help him. The chopping and changing of the goalkeepers has helped none of them. Ask yourself this Bayern would he get into 50% of Championship Teams, no, in fact 75% of teams he wouldn’t. Would he get into a top 6 team or a promotion winning team 100% not so why should we be a charity for a piss poor young boy dreaming of becoming a good keeper. Mate I’ve got a lot of time for your posts but see it for it is, a piss poor keeper, we’re currently carrying some shit in this team more importantly carrying a dead weight manager followed by a clueless village idiot handed a football club by his dad to play with. He’s the best keeper we have and the best we had last season and as such should have been used regularly. He was dropped harshly and then in and out of the team. And now we’re in a position still where Bursik or Bonham don’t know if they’re going to be the number one. It’s piss poor management. Bursik was playing fine last season then Derby happened and it was one mistake and he was suddenly out. It was an awful overreaction from fans and manager. He wouldn’t be here now if he had played the season I’m sure of it. But we wasted that opportunity.
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Post by questionable on Jul 16, 2022 17:24:46 GMT
Ask yourself this Bayern would he get into 50% of Championship Teams, no, in fact 75% of teams he wouldn’t. Would he get into a top 6 team or a promotion winning team 100% not so why should we be a charity for a piss poor young boy dreaming of becoming a good keeper. Mate I’ve got a lot of time for your posts but see it for it is, a piss poor keeper, we’re currently carrying some shit in this team more importantly carrying a dead weight manager followed by a clueless village idiot handed a football club by his dad to play with. He’s the best keeper we have and the best we had last season and as such should have been used regularly. He was dropped harshly and then in and out of the team. And now we’re in a position still where Bursik or Bonham don’t know if they’re going to be the number one. It’s piss poor management. Bursik was playing fine last season then Derby happened and it was one mistake and he was suddenly out. It was an awful overreaction from fans and manager. He wouldn’t be here now if he had played the season I’m sure of it. But we wasted that opportunity. Can’t argue with your last paragraph as if he’d played the full season he wouldn’t have been here now as he’d have been farmed out to a lower league club, which in truth he’d probably belong. He’s a little boy who deserved dropping, embarrassingly he even had his mum bigging him up on line, sure she even took a swipe on Bonham also, that in itself is pathetic.
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Post by scfcwebby on Jul 16, 2022 17:32:43 GMT
The one on one was caused by his own hesitation. Bit of a goalmouth scramble earlier he didn't come for. He really isn't good enough to be starting games. And Bonham is??? Laughable that he was shit against Fleetwood... Appalling even... And not a word said. Yet a young keeper makes an error and everyone jumps on it like a tramp on chips.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 16, 2022 17:35:54 GMT
Ask yourself this Bayern would he get into 50% of Championship Teams, no, in fact 75% of teams he wouldn’t. Would he get into a top 6 team or a promotion winning team 100% not so why should we be a charity for a piss poor young boy dreaming of becoming a good keeper. Mate I’ve got a lot of time for your posts but see it for it is, a piss poor keeper, we’re currently carrying some shit in this team more importantly carrying a dead weight manager followed by a clueless village idiot handed a football club by his dad to play with. He’s the best keeper we have and the best we had last season and as such should have been used regularly. He was dropped harshly and then in and out of the team. And now we’re in a position still where Bursik or Bonham don’t know if they’re going to be the number one. It’s piss poor management. Bursik was playing fine last season then Derby happened and it was one mistake and he was suddenly out. It was an awful overreaction from fans and manager. He wouldn’t be here now if he had played the season I’m sure of it. But we wasted that opportunity. It’s not just the mistakes with him though is it? He’s a goalkeeper who doesn’t make saves. All he seems to do is pick the ball out of the net.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2022 17:36:15 GMT
He’s the best keeper we have and the best we had last season and as such should have been used regularly. He was dropped harshly and then in and out of the team. And now we’re in a position still where Bursik or Bonham don’t know if they’re going to be the number one. It’s piss poor management. Bursik was playing fine last season then Derby happened and it was one mistake and he was suddenly out. It was an awful overreaction from fans and manager. He wouldn’t be here now if he had played the season I’m sure of it. But we wasted that opportunity. Can’t argue with your last paragraph as if he’d played the full season he wouldn’t have been here now as he’d have been farmed out to a lower league club, which in truth he’d probably belong. He’s a little boy who deserved dropping, embarrassingly he even had his mum bigging him up on line, sure she even took a swipe on Bonham also, that in itself is pathetic. I can’t agree. Dropping him after that Derby game was absolutely pathetic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2022 17:36:41 GMT
He’s the best keeper we have and the best we had last season and as such should have been used regularly. He was dropped harshly and then in and out of the team. And now we’re in a position still where Bursik or Bonham don’t know if they’re going to be the number one. It’s piss poor management. Bursik was playing fine last season then Derby happened and it was one mistake and he was suddenly out. It was an awful overreaction from fans and manager. He wouldn’t be here now if he had played the season I’m sure of it. But we wasted that opportunity. It’s not just the mistakes with him though is it? He’s a goalkeeper who doesn’t make saves. All he seems to do is pick the ball out of the net. He made two excellent saves today.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 16, 2022 17:47:27 GMT
It’s not just the mistakes with him though is it? He’s a goalkeeper who doesn’t make saves. All he seems to do is pick the ball out of the net. He made two excellent saves today. When? There was a 1 vs 1 that he did well to come out to quickly, but was hit right at him. It’s funny that this is deemed an “excellent save”, but that you flat out bitched about Davies versus QPR who made several similar such saves and called them easy and average.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2022 17:49:46 GMT
He made two excellent saves today. When? There was a 1 vs 1 that he did well to come out to quickly, but was hit right at him. It’s funny that this is deemed an “excellent save”, but that you flat out bitched about Davies versus QPR who made several similar such saves and called them easy and average. Because it was 😂😂I thought the second one was very good tbh today. People whining about the goal too despite not knowing if he was at fault or not because the angle we all saw was totally inconclusive 🤣
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 16, 2022 17:50:40 GMT
It’s not just the mistakes with him though is it? He’s a goalkeeper who doesn’t make saves. All he seems to do is pick the ball out of the net. He made two excellent saves today. He saved a one on one that was a direct result of his own hesitancy. I genuinely can’t remember another save.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jul 16, 2022 17:51:03 GMT
When? There was a 1 vs 1 that he did well to come out to quickly, but was hit right at him. It’s funny that this is deemed an “excellent save”, but that you flat out bitched about Davies versus QPR who made several similar such saves and called them easy and average. Because it was 😂😂I thought the second one was very good tbh today. People whining about the goal too despite not knowing if he was at fault or not because the angle we all saw was totally inconclusive 🤣 We all have double standards I suppose. There are definitely tinted spectacles I wear for certain players as well.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 16, 2022 17:55:17 GMT
Because it was 😂😂I thought the second one was very good tbh today. People whining about the goal too despite not knowing if he was at fault or not because the angle we all saw was totally inconclusive 🤣 We all have double standards I suppose. There are definitely tinted spectacles I wear for certain players as well. I don’t have any for Bursik. I want him gone. But he’s been the best keeper at the club for 12 months.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 16, 2022 18:20:20 GMT
He may or may not have done better with the chance but the bigger worry is why the hell are there two unmarked players in the box!
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Post by biddulphchav on Jul 16, 2022 20:38:16 GMT
I've picked up on it but I still don't see how playing a player who keeps letting goals in he should be saving increases in value. Please explain. I don’t think it’s happened as often as you seem to think and playing him and giving him a run would only help him. The chopping and changing of the goalkeepers has helped none of them. I don’t agree, he dropped several clangers last season. Sometimes taking young players out of the firing line is necessary to protect their confidence. You’ll hear several managers / youth team coaches etc talk about this. Of course there are exceptions, players who have unshakeable belief in themselves (this was said about Collins recently) but we don’t know if keeping him in the team would have benefitted him. Personally I think he should have spent last season out on loan and come back this year to be No.1 so I agree the handling of the keepers was pretty shite
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Post by mrrine on Jul 16, 2022 22:40:48 GMT
It’s not just the mistakes with him though is it? He’s a goalkeeper who doesn’t make saves. All he seems to do is pick the ball out of the net. He made two excellent saves today. Just popped on this thread to make that exact point. His 1 v 1 was really good, defence nowhere in sight and he did the business.
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Post by mrrine on Jul 16, 2022 22:42:21 GMT
He made two excellent saves today. He saved a one on one that was a direct result of his own hesitancy. I genuinely can’t remember another save. I remember it a bit rosier than that - defence shouldve been chasing which forced his hand, ball was close to the attackers feet? One of us is wrong
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 16, 2022 22:51:07 GMT
He saved a one on one that was a direct result of his own hesitancy. I genuinely can’t remember another save. I remember it a bit rosier than that - defence shouldve been chasing which forced his hand, ball was close to the attackers feet? One of us is wrong Probably me tbf 👍
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Post by mrrine on Jul 16, 2022 23:09:47 GMT
I remember it a bit rosier than that - defence shouldve been chasing which forced his hand, ball was close to the attackers feet? One of us is wrong Probably me tbf 👍 No, I'm spartacus! Just watched it back. I think you are right in that he could and shouldve steamed through and cleared that ball. the save shouldnt have to have been made? Equally to get to that point - the keeper would expect the defender to still mop up after the mistake, and so, if the keeper comes out too far to meet the ball, the defender can;t then play it back to the keeper to deal with. (EDIT - The defender's uncertainty totally hamstrings the keeper imo - therefore making it defenders fault*) (( Second edit - the midfielder tracking the run just totally lets him go as well)) Maybe we are both a bit right and wrong... www.stokecityfc.com/news/2022/july/16/highlights-fleetwood-town/3:10 in the vid
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Post by Jimm on Jul 16, 2022 23:30:08 GMT
Should of kept Adam Davies lol
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Post by BuzzB on Jul 20, 2022 7:37:42 GMT
Sloppy as last night! Caught in possession twice resulting in a penalty that was passed back to him luckily for him.
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Post by neddy on Jul 20, 2022 7:39:37 GMT
Sloppy as last night! Caught in possession twice resulting in a penalty that was passed back to him luckily for him. It’s good to be very confident but dangerous if it borders on arrogance?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2022 8:05:22 GMT
Bit of a goalmouth scramble earlier he didn't come for. He really isn't good enough to be starting games. And Bonham is??? Laughable that he was shit against Fleetwood... Appalling even... And not a word said. Yet a young keeper makes an error and everyone jumps on it like a tramp on chips. We're talking Bursik. If you read the thread , the general consensus is that a shot on target more often than not ends up beating Bursik. Putting another keeper down doesn't make Bursik any better. It's not a case of jumping on every mistake as you claim. It's simply pointing out the obvious that over a decent period of time he simply has been poor. If Bonham did this or that is irrelevant. We simply need better
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 20, 2022 10:45:32 GMT
Some of the flack young Bursik Is taking on here is fucking wrong, at most clubs he'd still be a young number 2...the worst set of goalkeepers I've ever witnessed at stoke as a collective but that's not his fault...if he was here at the time we had begovic or even butland he'd be coming along just nicely, getting hammered by his own fans isn't on..he's not shit he's just under cooked.
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Post by stokesupporter on Jul 20, 2022 10:52:02 GMT
Joe is a very talented young keeper who does occasional mistakes (like all keepers) but so he should because he'll learn from them.
And he's already much better keeper than some give him credit for. Star of the future no doubt.
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Post by ceejays on Jul 20, 2022 13:12:14 GMT
Brown is not a footballer followed by Collins is better than Hudson ( or something like that) and Davies the best keeper we had ( only moved on cuz of his high wage) but Joe weetabix Bursik better. The ramblings of Mary Mary so contrary
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Post by liathroid on Jul 22, 2022 7:27:23 GMT
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Post by daveinoz on Jul 22, 2022 8:52:25 GMT
My problem with Bursik is how he constantly puts the defence under pressure by just rolling the ball out to a defender who is immediately closed down, and usually has to pass the ball back anyway! At least Bonham gets rid up the other end!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 22, 2022 9:02:34 GMT
My problem with Bursik is how he constantly puts the defence under pressure by just rolling the ball out to a defender who is immediately closed down, and usually has to pass the ball back anyway! At least Bonham gets rid up the other end! Bursik’s distribution is streets ahead of Bonham’s. You’re complaining about the game plan not the player the defenders are meant to be able to cope with the ball and I’ve not seen him giving them the ball inappropriately. There’s a whole bank of stat’s available to question the player he’s well below average at shot stopping why invent fantasy problems?
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jul 22, 2022 9:19:27 GMT
Cardiff at home was the eye opener for me. We were cruising at 3-0 Cardiff were running aro7nd like headless chickens not a clue then a speculative shot from an angle and Bursik did a Weetabix dive and they scored under his body. Stoke then got jittery and themselves went to pieces and we dropped 2 points with a draw. Don’t think we were quite the same team after that - how defining was that mistake to the confidence of the team.
There is room to improve his goalkeeping skills and positioning. Let’s face it top goalies reach their best around mid to late 20’s so Will he learn from his mistakes and learn quickly - by dropping him he either goes into his shell and feels sorry for himself or he takes it on the chin and grow some balls. What we can’t have is someone with fragile mentality - we need winners and bullies to grasp this season by the balls
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