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Post by Glasgowstokie on Jul 8, 2022 22:45:11 GMT
Feel sorry for the guy. A young player and he has a thread with this title on the main supporters message board.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 8, 2022 22:54:49 GMT
Feel sorry for the guy. A young player and he has a thread with this title on the main supporters message board. Blame the manager for putting him in before he's ready. He needed another season out on loan before he was put into the spotlight here. |
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Post by wilcopotter on Jul 9, 2022 4:39:04 GMT
Feel sorry for the guy. A young player and he has a thread with this title on the main supporters message board. Blame the manager for putting him in before he's ready. He needed another season out on loan before he was put into the spotlight here. Thread should be titled “Bursik not ready”. The current title is very harsh imo to describe England’s U21 keeper. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 9, 2022 8:00:07 GMT
It's looking more and more likely bursik is going be number 1 this season which is a big worry,surley a keeper along with a striker should be priority now am struggling think of one tbh there's really not much out there keeper wise If you are involved in football, there are plenty of good options out there. The best option, in my opinion, has played on loan at a club lower in the pecking order than us for 2 seasons running and his agents are huge Stoke City supporters. Unless I've missed it, he's yet to go anywhere permanently or on loan again as yet. |
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Post by lordb on Jul 9, 2022 8:02:06 GMT
It's looking more and more likely bursik is going be number 1 this season which is a big worry,surley a keeper along with a striker should be priority now am struggling think of one tbh there's really not much out there keeper wise If you are involved in football, there are plenty of good options out there. The best option, in my opinion, has played on loan at a club lower in the pecking order than us for 2 seasons running and his agents are huge Stoke City supporters. Unless I've missed it, he's yet to go anywhere permanently or on loan again as yet. I'm being thick, again Who are you on about? |
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Post by Waggy on Jul 9, 2022 8:09:02 GMT
Yes can this title be changed or change it to ‘ how to knock a young players confidence’
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Post by albundy on Jul 9, 2022 8:32:32 GMT
A number of his predecessors from England U21 have struggled in league football at the start.
Pickford was poor when Sunderland, Ramsdale made mistakes at Sheffield & Bournemouth but both came good in the end and I'm sure the difficult times helped to shape them.
Keep the faith and see him blossom if he hasn't already decided to leave
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Post by cyprus1stokey on Jul 9, 2022 8:34:05 GMT
If you are involved in football, there are plenty of good options out there. The best option, in my opinion, has played on loan at a club lower in the pecking order than us for 2 seasons running and his agents are huge Stoke City supporters. Unless I've missed it, he's yet to go anywhere permanently or on loan again as yet. I'm being thick, again Who are you on about? |
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Post by cyprus1stokey on Jul 9, 2022 8:34:33 GMT
If you are involved in football, there are plenty of good options out there. The best option, in my opinion, has played on loan at a club lower in the pecking order than us for 2 seasons running and his agents are huge Stoke City supporters. Unless I've missed it, he's yet to go anywhere permanently or on loan again as yet. I'm being thick, again Who are you on about? |
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Post by Gods on Jul 9, 2022 8:42:01 GMT
Feel sorry for the guy. A young player and he has a thread with this title on the main supporters message board. Yep, I'm uncomfortable with this thread title too, kind of makes me squirm a little. |
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Post by stokiemac on Jul 9, 2022 8:50:20 GMT
England's Under 21 goalkeeper isn't good enough for us 😂
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Post by tachyon on Jul 9, 2022 8:52:49 GMT
How would you quantify “luck”. Would it just be a reasonable deviation from the trend over a short period? All natural probabilistic processes are subject to random variation. Toss a fair coin 20 times and you won't always get 10 H and 10 T. That's random variation or "luck". But longterm the proportion of heads or tails will tend towrds 50%. If you get 12 H and 8T there's a fairly large possibility that's due to chance. The coin isn't biased or "skilled". 1200 H and 800T tells you something quite different. Biased coin. Problem with keepers making saves is you don't know the true likelihood of a save being made or the keeper's true talent. So you build models that approximate well to the former and run simulations to see how far a keeper's actual save/goal record is from the expectation of an average keeper based on the sample you have. If it's a long way away from the average expectation it strengthens your view that it may not have just happened because of randomness. It may have happened because the keeper is very good (or not). If teams collect in house data from their training sessions, they will get to an objective assessment quicker compared to only using readily available game data. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 9, 2022 9:00:58 GMT
England's Under 21 goalkeeper isn't good enough for us 😂 He might be, but not if he performs like he did last season.  Based on that I actually prefer Bonham, but if Bursik can convince me he is a better option it will only be positive for Stoke.  |
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Post by stokiemac on Jul 9, 2022 10:58:55 GMT
England's Under 21 goalkeeper isn't good enough for us 😂 He might be, but not if he performs like he did last season. Based on that I actually prefer Bonham, but if Bursik can convince me he is a better option it will only be positive for Stoke. His performances for England were markedly better by the ratings I've seen so maybe it's about the defence we put in front of him |
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 9, 2022 11:06:50 GMT
When Bursik first came in, he was excellent, we were all saying what a fantastic prospect we have here.
Then he makes a mistake and the manager decided that any mistake by our keepers was punishable by dropping them. From then on, we had almost no consistency with any keeper that played, whether that be Davies, Bursik or even Bonham.
I've said on another thread before, for me there is no coincidence that under MoN, our keepers have ALL being poor and I personally put that down to confidence due to how the MoN manages them and the position.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 9, 2022 12:26:44 GMT
He might be, but not if he performs like he did last season. Based on that I actually prefer Bonham, but if Bursik can convince me he is a better option it will only be positive for Stoke. His performances for England were markedly better by the ratings I've seen so maybe it's about the defence we put in front of him The defence around him is important of course, but his actions in the box last season really weren't convincing, and neither was his shot stopping. Bonham looked better for every game he played, and had a MOM performance in the last game he played before Bursik was reinstalled. If we are going to put faith in Bursik we at least need to do something about his contract situation I believe as his present contract will end next summer.  |
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Post by march4 on Jul 9, 2022 12:30:37 GMT
Bursik is the least of our worries.
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Post by malteser68 on Jul 9, 2022 17:20:04 GMT
When Bursik first came in, he was excellent, we were all saying what a fantastic prospect we have here. Then he makes a mistake and the manager decided that any mistake by our keepers was punishable by dropping them. From then on, we had almost no consistency with any keeper that played, whether that be Davies, Bursik or even Bonham. I've said on another thread before, for me there is no coincidence that under MoN, our keepers have ALL being poor and I personally put that down to confidence due to how the MoN manages them and the position. The mistakes he did were because he quickly became big-headed |
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 9, 2022 17:52:41 GMT
When Bursik first came in, he was excellent, we were all saying what a fantastic prospect we have here. Then he makes a mistake and the manager decided that any mistake by our keepers was punishable by dropping them. From then on, we had almost no consistency with any keeper that played, whether that be Davies, Bursik or even Bonham. I've said on another thread before, for me there is no coincidence that under MoN, our keepers have ALL being poor and I personally put that down to confidence due to how the MoN manages them and the position. The mistakes he did were because he quickly became big-headed Yeah if you say so... |
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Post by dirtclod on Jul 9, 2022 17:58:46 GMT
Our midfield has sucked - for one thing. And backwards passing needs to end, even if we have to start fining people.
Need to keep the game on THEIR side of the pitch. We have no counter-attack, (Midfield a major reason for that) so I don't see why we're playing on our side of the pitch so much.
And ffs, this "play out of the back" is an urban-legend for us - talked about, but never exists.
He's 21, he'll come good if we can keep the hordes off him for 5 minutes and he stays away from the Oatcake.
As MilanStokie said, it's no coincidence that all of our keepers have been poor under MON.
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Post by boweryboy on Jul 9, 2022 17:59:36 GMT
A good goalkeeper saves you so many points a season,our two have both cost us points,we need a more reliable experienced keeper,or it will be the same again I would imagine, but to be fair O Neill helps nobody by swapping and changing after each mistake!!
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 9, 2022 18:02:25 GMT
One really good save, but he also created their biggest chance by awful kicking! |
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jul 10, 2022 8:05:10 GMT
Very prone to a mistake
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Post by Sfance on Jul 10, 2022 8:30:30 GMT
Feel sorry for the guy. A young player and he has a thread with this title on the main supporters message board. The poor fellow. How many thousands per week is Stoke paying him? How many soft goals did he let in last season that someone more competent would have kept out? How many mistakes should a professional outfit supposedly interested in promotion be supposed to tolerate? The world is harsh. If he can’t put up with some stick when he fucks up, he needs to find a new job. Ultimately, as with most everything, the manager is responsible and he should have been loaned out especially if he has confidence problems. But Stoke don’t owe him a living so he needs to buck his ideas up if he wants to be a professional footballer. |
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Post by Do it for dobing on Jul 10, 2022 12:15:25 GMT
Absolutely no pressure yesterday and he makes another mistake which almost led to a goal.He seems to have concentration problems in a game, maybe in training when he has the goalkeeper coach in his ear he can stay focused.In games he is a day dreamer and lacks presence
The problem is we could carry him if we had a team that could score three or more goals at the other end,we haven`t
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Post by RF10 on Jul 10, 2022 12:28:11 GMT
Yeah changing the title to just "Bursik" is more than sufficient.
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Post by wizardofdribble on Jul 13, 2022 8:54:30 GMT
What an appalling thread, a minority of our so called ‘supporters’ are the pits !
Joe Bursik is 22 years of age and an England International at his level, ok, he makes mistakes ! What keeper doesn’t?
Cut him some slack, at his age he’s still 4/5 years from reaching at his peak, I bet Sir Gordon was similar at 22 years of age and look what he became ! I’m not advocating that Joe will become a Gordon, but who knows what the future holds for the lad, just give him an opportunity without destroying his confidence in the meantime.
Good Luck Joe !
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Post by mr on Jul 13, 2022 9:12:56 GMT
Wantaway Etebo
Arrogant Ostigard
Sick note Powell
Leech Imbula
Rename all the player threads 👍🏻
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Post by kingsman on Jul 13, 2022 14:00:36 GMT
Mark Travers Bournemouth goalie, saved 78 per cent of shots in the championship last season
Marek rodak Fulham 75 per cent
Bonham Stoke 68 per cent
Bursik Stoke 58 per cent
It's not his age that's the problem , mark Travers is born 1999 (bursik 2000) and is the Irish youth goalie ( can't be far off full international now ?) , He is only one year older than bursik
The problem is bursik's ability to save shots in the championship
The chances of bursik improving his shot saving by 20 per centage points to be at Travers level at Travers age in one season, is remote , in the extreme.
Hope I am wrong bit
But I can't see it
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Post by northernstokie on Jul 13, 2022 14:50:05 GMT
Mark Travers Bournemouth goalie, saved 78 per cent of shots in the championship last season Marek rodak Fulham 75 per cent Bonham Stoke 68 per cent Bursik Stoke 58 per cent It's not his age that's the problem , mark Travers is born 1999 (bursik 2000) and is the Irish youth goalie ( can't be far off full international now ?) , He is only one year older than bursik The problem is bursik's ability to save shots in the championship The chances of bursik improving his shot saving by 20 per centage points to be at Travers level at Travers age in one season, is remote , in the extreme. Hope I am wrong bit But I can't see it The problem with them stats are the situation. They might all be shots from out side of the box or easier saves to make where as bursik could of been harder chances. A better defence would limit the harder chances possibly leaving the opposition to try and take pop shots from anywhere. |
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Based on that I actually prefer Bonham, but if Bursik can convince me he is a better option it will only be positive for Stoke. 
