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Post by leicspotter on May 25, 2022 10:40:40 GMT
We do love to crucify our own players don't we. It's a good job others, who maybe know more, seem to rate some of them
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Post by femark on May 25, 2022 10:44:46 GMT
Imagine having an England U21 keeper on the books and thinking he's shit  |
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Post by werrington on May 25, 2022 10:49:33 GMT
Imagine having an England U21 keeper on the books and thinking he's shit It’s up there with wanting us to buy a 15 a season striker but wanting the one we’ve got fucked off Bizarre bunch |
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Post by FullerMagic on May 25, 2022 10:55:10 GMT
It's not black or white and he's obviously not "shit"
But plenty of England u21 keepers have never really had glittering careers. People like Scott Loach and Angus Gunn had long runs.
The other squad keepers are coming off loan seasons at Walsall and Bolton.
Objectively, I think you'd have to say Bursik was below average and he clearly never really had MON's trust - so there are obviously going to be some questions.
So it's a big call if he starts as No.1 again. He's played 80-odd league games at this point, so he's not some young whipper-snapper these days.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on May 25, 2022 11:17:50 GMT
IMO he needs a season long loan in a promotion challenging league 1 side. Gouranga.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 11:18:19 GMT
Imagine having an England U21 keeper on the books and thinking he's shit Frankie Fielding isn't that great |
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Post by Do it for dobing on May 25, 2022 18:02:57 GMT
Imagine having an England U21 keeper on the books and thinking he's shit Hes been useless between the sticks for Stoke only have to look at the statistics.He cant possibly be No 1 next season for us needs to go out on loan and sort himself out |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 18:08:13 GMT
Imagine having an England U21 keeper on the books and thinking he's shit Hes been useless between the sticks for Stoke only have to look at the statistics.He cant possibly be No 1 next season for us needs to go out on loan and sort himself out Wouldn't say useless but we need better and agree re loan. Being U21 keeper means little. Chesterfield's keeper was also as was Fielding as mentioned. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 25, 2022 18:14:11 GMT
At the moment he’s not good enough. That’s not to say he won’t be good, obviously has talent if he’s e regular U21 international squad player.
But he’s at a crossroads and so are Stoke.
There are two ways to go about it.
1. Give him the gloves as number one, a confidence boost if you like and see if he grabs the opportunity.
2. Sell him to the highest bidder.
I don’t think he’d be prepared to take a lower league loan personally.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 27, 2022 14:18:22 GMT
So Fielding stays for another year - as 3rd choice? Strange Sentinel thought the third keeper would come from elsewhere - unless Bursik is off somewhere? www.stokecityfc.com/news/2022/may/27/potters-announce-retained-list/The Club are in discussions with Joe Allen about extending his contract, while the option to prolong Frank Fielding’s stay with the Potters for a further season has been activated. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 27, 2022 14:50:36 GMT
So Fielding stays for another year - as 3rd choice? Strange Sentinel thought the third keeper would come from elsewhere - unless Bursik is off somewhere? www.stokecityfc.com/news/2022/may/27/potters-announce-retained-list/The Club are in discussions with Joe Allen about extending his contract, while the option to prolong Frank Fielding’s stay with the Potters for a further season has been activated. It's a very strange one because with the chopping and changing we've done allied with Bonham's and Bursik's performance there was an argument to see how he'd do and we were seemingly closer to getting a game. |
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Post by FullerMagic on May 27, 2022 14:52:58 GMT
So Fielding stays for another year - as 3rd choice? Strange Sentinel thought the third keeper would come from elsewhere - unless Bursik is off somewhere? www.stokecityfc.com/news/2022/may/27/potters-announce-retained-list/The Club are in discussions with Joe Allen about extending his contract, while the option to prolong Frank Fielding’s stay with the Potters for a further season has been activated. It's a very strange one because with the chopping and changing we've done allied with Bonham's and Bursik's performance there was an argument to see how he'd do and we were seemingly closer to getting a game. Yep - he's undeniably got a better CV than Bonham - but presumably the goalie coach watches them all in training and makes a strong suggestion. If Bursik, Bonham and him are all staying, we don't need another (which makes me wonder if it's Bursik that's off) |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2022 14:57:59 GMT
It's a very strange one because with the chopping and changing we've done allied with Bonham's and Bursik's performance there was an argument to see how he'd do and we were seemingly closer to getting a game. Yep - he's undeniably got a better CV than Bonham - but presumably the goalie coach watches them all in training and makes a strong suggestion. If Bursik, Bonham and him are all staying, we don't need another (which makes me wonder if it's Bursik that's off) Could live with Bursik leaving if we got an ok fee. Being U21 keeper means little. |
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Post by FullerMagic on May 27, 2022 15:01:16 GMT
Yep - he's undeniably got a better CV than Bonham - but presumably the goalie coach watches them all in training and makes a strong suggestion. If Bursik, Bonham and him are all staying, we don't need another (which makes me wonder if it's Bursik that's off) Could live with Bursik leaving if we got an ok fee. Being U21 keeper means little. Yep - 1 year left on his deal, if we could get low millions, everyone's a winner |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2022 15:03:57 GMT
Could live with Bursik leaving if we got an ok fee. Being U21 keeper means little. Yep - 1 year left on his deal, if we could get low millions, everyone's a winner Absolutely. Didn't someone post a comment from his family or someone on one of these social media things hinting he could move on. Best all round as you say. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 27, 2022 15:59:28 GMT
It's a very strange one because with the chopping and changing we've done allied with Bonham's and Bursik's performance there was an argument to see how he'd do and we were seemingly closer to getting a game. Yep - he's undeniably got a better CV than Bonham - but presumably the goalie coach watches them all in training and makes a strong suggestion. If Bursik, Bonham and him are all staying, we don't need another (which makes me wonder if it's Bursik that's off) I think Bursik will leave. I can’t imagine he’s happy with the situation or manager. I do wonder a bit though about renewing someone who you don’t think is good enough to replace any of the 3 keepers we’ve had this season and some of the performances they’ve put in. |
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Post by cvillestokie on May 27, 2022 16:37:37 GMT
So Fielding stays for another year - as 3rd choice? Strange Sentinel thought the third keeper would come from elsewhere - unless Bursik is off somewhere? www.stokecityfc.com/news/2022/may/27/potters-announce-retained-list/The Club are in discussions with Joe Allen about extending his contract, while the option to prolong Frank Fielding’s stay with the Potters for a further season has been activated. No surprise with Fielding. The role of the experienced third choice keeper is there to give strikers more shooting practice etc really. Grant referred to it as that in one of his interviews about us. They are not really there to play, they are emergency back ups who lend experience, cost little and have the experience for 1 vs 1s that an U23 may not have. |
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Post by mickstupp on May 27, 2022 16:43:22 GMT
Strange move in regards to Fielding. I would have saved the salary and promoted the young lad Simpkin up to third choice personally.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 27, 2022 16:58:20 GMT
Strange move in regards to Fielding. I would have saved the salary and promoted the young lad Simpkin up to third choice personally. He needs games. He does some very strange things too that need coaching out of him. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2022 17:06:55 GMT
Strange move in regards to Fielding. I would have saved the salary and promoted the young lad Simpkin up to third choice personally. Only seen Simpkin twice but maybe a bit early. Fielding has pretty much been a spare part wherever he's been. Cheap, ok option I guess. |
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Post by wilcopotter on May 27, 2022 18:37:44 GMT
Fielding at 34 with 200+ Championship appearances under his belt must surely be a capable 3rd choice for us. Don’t think I’ve ever seen him play, but when warming up with our other keepers he looks a bit short to me. Not sure how much better we could attract for a 3rd choice keeper with us camped in the lower half of the Championship with little money to spend. Can’t see Fabianski dropping by anytime soon.
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Post by hughjarse on May 27, 2022 19:22:48 GMT
So who is first choice keeper next season then ? Bursik, Bonham, Fielding or A.N. Other ???
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Post by tomdickorharry on May 27, 2022 19:49:29 GMT
Basic by a mile
He’s a kid
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Post by tomdickorharry on May 27, 2022 19:52:39 GMT
And improving
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Post by hughjarse on May 27, 2022 20:15:22 GMT
Basic by a mile He’s a kid Basic sounds like he is ok but doesn’t really have any additional skills |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 30, 2022 15:14:31 GMT
Bursik may well have potential but I really don't think he's good enough at the moment for a side with hopes of promotion. I think we would be way better off with a more experienced keeper who the defence can trust - you can see when a defence have confidence in the keeper and I don't think it's there at the moment. For me we have three key signings to make or break our promotion chances and goalkeeper is one of them - striker and RWB are the others.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2022 15:18:12 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on May 30, 2022 15:52:07 GMT
Bursik may well have potential but I really don't think he's good enough at the moment for a side with hopes of promotion. I think we would be way better off with a more experienced keeper who the defence can trust - you can see when a defence have confidence in the keeper and I don't think it's there at the moment. For me we have three key signings to make or break our promotion chances and goalkeeper is one of them - striker and RWB are the others. I think they are the three positions that are screaming for an upgrade, along with maybe a different type of player in midfield. But it doesn't look as if that's going to be forthcoming if Joe Allen stays. Whether really good additons at RB/RWB and a target man/focal point up front will make all the difference (in addition to a fit Souttar and Powell and a Tyrese Campbell that looks vaguely like the 20/21 version), who knows? At the moment, it looks as if the new full-back and striker are going to have to be bloody good for that to be the case. |
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Post by Trouserdog on May 30, 2022 16:41:37 GMT
If we go into the season with Bursik or Bonham as the first choice we're in big trouble.
You can't get away with a dodgy keeper if the rest of your side is as average as ours is.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 24, 2022 13:07:11 GMT
re Bursik.
SLP claim Championship interest in him
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