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Post by deeside2 on May 2, 2022 6:53:48 GMT
Vale are a nothing team, always have been, always will be. Apart from a couple of brief sojourns into the second division they've always drifted between the bottom two leagues with, I think, more time spent in the bottom division. Nowadays I know nothing about them, their manager, nor any of their players. I used to work with a colleague who supported them, and who took great delight in any misfortune that came Stoke's way. Personally I would like to see them permanently in the lower reaches of the bottom division, or more preferably in the National League, or better still, the National League North (or South). They could ideally take Crewe down with them at the same time.
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Post by Gods on May 2, 2022 7:08:48 GMT
I would say Vale have about one third of the potential football watching audience of the Potteries behind them.
You might say no they don't, they don't get one third of our gate but to make a meaningful comparison you have to ask what would be the respective gates were we in the same division.
You have to be myopic not to see they are a problem for us. S-O-T is already border line too small to long term support a Prem club and if you can routinely subtract a third of that population its a problem.
They do affect our lives whether we choose to ignore it not.
They are in our house, the cellar, the vegetable patch, bedroom 2 and the downstairs lavatory and we don't want them creeping in to the lounge room I know that much
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Post by heworksardtho on May 2, 2022 7:40:40 GMT
Myopic I’ve just looked that up Gods 😉
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Post by lordb on May 2, 2022 8:14:41 GMT
I would say Vale have about one third of the potential football watching audience of the Potteries behind them. You might say no they don't, they don't get one third of our gate but to make a meaningful comparison you have to ask what would be the respective gates were we in the same division. You have to be myopic not to see they are not a problem for us. S-O-T is already border line too small to long term support a Prem club and if you can routinely subtract a third of that population its a problem. They do affect our lives whether we choose to ignore it not. They are in our house, the cellar, the vegetable patch, bedroom 2 and the downstairs lavatory. A third? A quarter tops
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Post by Gods on May 2, 2022 8:19:59 GMT
I would say Vale have about one third of the potential football watching audience of the Potteries behind them. You might say no they don't, they don't get one third of our gate but to make a meaningful comparison you have to ask what would be the respective gates were we in the same division. You have to be myopic not to see they are not a problem for us. S-O-T is already border line too small to long term support a Prem club and if you can routinely subtract a third of that population its a problem. They do affect our lives whether we choose to ignore it not. They are in our house, the cellar, the vegetable patch, bedroom 2 and the downstairs lavatory. A third? A quarter tops Well you could argue about that but here's another way of looking at it. You're an investor looking to buy a mid-size club in central England with no emotional capital in any. Would you go for a Leicester or a Derby who have the run of their cities or ourselves stuck with nuisance neighbours?
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Post by middleoftheboothen on May 2, 2022 8:26:29 GMT
Have everything crossed that those soapdodging twats fuck it up today. Come on Newport!!
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Post by felonious on May 2, 2022 8:30:19 GMT
I would say Vale have about one third of the potential football watching audience of the Potteries behind them. You might say no they don't, they don't get one third of our gate but to make a meaningful comparison you have to ask what would be the respective gates were we in the same division. You have to be myopic not to see they are not a problem for us. S-O-T is already border line too small to long term support a Prem club and if you can routinely subtract a third of that population its a problem. They do affect our lives whether we choose to ignore it not. They are in our house, the cellar, the vegetable patch, bedroom 2 and the downstairs lavatory and we don't want them creeping in to the lounge room I know that much It's a good job that the glorious borough of Newcastle Under Lyme is supportive of the Potters then
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Post by felonious on May 2, 2022 8:31:27 GMT
Myopic I’ve just looked that up Gods 😉 He meant to put it on the Word of the day thread
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Post by felonious on May 2, 2022 8:48:57 GMT
They've arranged a "beamback" for the Exeter game.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on May 2, 2022 9:06:20 GMT
I think to have a go at Vale is as pointless as a Liverpool fan saying they hate Tranmere or a Man United fan saying they hate Bury - pointless Here's another pointless thread.. i fucking hate vale go bust they can sooner the better, i have to work with a few of their soapdodging tool fans who to a man absolutely HATE us..
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Post by questionable on May 2, 2022 9:08:20 GMT
Not really fussed what they do, don’t do really but my deep dark side would be for them to finish 7th or to lose the play off final mainly because there’s a Vale fan at work I despise who’s a snidy little b...... that I’ve tried to get on with but can’t.
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Post by suck_the_mop. on May 2, 2022 9:10:22 GMT
Sold out home ends apparently for first time in 32 years. But capacity only 15'000 now. Includes 4500 in the away end. All out of the woodwork as per any club I guess. Only a few hundred Newport fans today unlike the 2200 odd Bristol fans, their chief exec said they were expecting about 9000, and pretty sure the capacity is around 19000 although that family area corner is shut so I'm not sure.
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Post by sheds1862 on May 2, 2022 9:19:38 GMT
Sold out home ends apparently for first time in 32 years. But capacity only 15'000 now. Includes 4500 in the away end. All out of the woodwork as per any club I guess. Only a few hundred Newport fans today unlike the 2200 odd Bristol fans, their chief exec said they were expecting about 9000, and pretty sure the capacity is around 19000 although that family area corner is shut so I'm not sure. Capacity 15'000 including 4500 away end. So Vale sold 10'500 with couple of hundred Newport. That's according to Sentivale
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Post by werrington on May 2, 2022 9:26:05 GMT
Not really fussed what they do, don’t do really but my deep dark side would be for them to finish 7th or to lose the play off final mainly because there’s a Vale fan at work I despise who’s a snidy little b...... that I’ve tried to get on with but can’t. Sadly mate 7th gets them in the play offs so it’s 8th we need 👍
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Post by scfc75 on May 2, 2022 9:27:07 GMT
I would say Vale have about one third of the potential football watching audience of the Potteries behind them. You might say no they don't, they don't get one third of our gate but to make a meaningful comparison you have to ask what would be the respective gates were we in the same division. You have to be myopic not to see they are not a problem for us. S-O-T is already border line too small to long term support a Prem club and if you can routinely subtract a third of that population its a problem. They do affect our lives whether we choose to ignore it not. They are in our house, the cellar, the vegetable patch, bedroom 2 and the downstairs lavatory and we don't want them creeping in to the lounge room I know that much They average about 4k to 5k in the fourth tier, 5k to 6k in the third tier and the last time they were in the second tier, they averaged about 8k. Comparably our pre-PL avg attendance in the second tier was somewhere around 14k to 16k, and post relegation with some legacy fans we’re averaging around the 20k mark now. Fair to say at the same level they should get broadly half the gates that we typically get.
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Post by silsdenstokie on May 2, 2022 9:27:20 GMT
Well you could argue about that but here's another way of looking at it. You're an investor looking to buy a mid-size club in central England with no emotional capital in any. Would you go for a Leicester or a Derby who have the run of their cities or ourselves with angry neighbours? Burslem, Longport, Tunstall, Smallthorne, Norton, Chell staunch Vale areas. Anywhere else?
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Post by werrington on May 2, 2022 9:30:29 GMT
If Vale got to a major cup final 25k would suffice
If push came to shove and you asked every person in the are of Stoke/Newcastle you’d probably get 25-30k max who would align themselves to Vale
That’s a rough barometer
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Post by mickstupp on May 2, 2022 9:31:01 GMT
I’ve fancied them for promotion from day one, and unfortunately I can only see a vale win today.
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Post by Gods on May 2, 2022 9:34:44 GMT
I would say Vale have about one third of the potential football watching audience of the Potteries behind them. You might say no they don't, they don't get one third of our gate but to make a meaningful comparison you have to ask what would be the respective gates were we in the same division. You have to be myopic not to see they are not a problem for us. S-O-T is already border line too small to long term support a Prem club and if you can routinely subtract a third of that population its a problem. They do affect our lives whether we choose to ignore it not. They are in our house, the cellar, the vegetable patch, bedroom 2 and the downstairs lavatory and we don't want them creeping in to the lounge room I know that much It's a good job that the glorious borough of Newcastle Under Lyme is supportive of the Potters then My home town :-)
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Post by Gods on May 2, 2022 9:39:45 GMT
I would say Vale have about one third of the potential football watching audience of the Potteries behind them. You might say no they don't, they don't get one third of our gate but to make a meaningful comparison you have to ask what would be the respective gates were we in the same division. You have to be myopic not to see they are not a problem for us. S-O-T is already border line too small to long term support a Prem club and if you can routinely subtract a third of that population its a problem. They do affect our lives whether we choose to ignore it not. They are in our house, the cellar, the vegetable patch, bedroom 2 and the downstairs lavatory and we don't want them creeping in to the lounge room I know that much They average about 4k to 5k in the fourth tier, 5k to 6k in the third tier and the last time they were in the second tier, they averaged about 8k. Comparably our pre-PL avg attendance in the second tier was somewhere around 14k to 16k, and post relegation with some legacy fans we’re averaging around the 20k mark now. Fair to say at the same level they should get broadly half the gates that we typically get. I think you are kind of agreeing with me in your last sentence? So if we get 20k and they get 10k in the same division then 10k is one third of the 30k total. I mean that's more than a mild nuisance IMHO.
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Post by scfc75 on May 2, 2022 9:43:09 GMT
They average about 4k to 5k in the fourth tier, 5k to 6k in the third tier and the last time they were in the second tier, they averaged about 8k. Comparably our pre-PL avg attendance in the second tier was somewhere around 14k to 16k, and post relegation with some legacy fans we’re averaging around the 20k mark now. Fair to say at the same level they should get broadly half the gates that we typically get. I think you are kind of agreeing with me in your last sentence?So if we get 20k and they get 10k in the same division then 10k in one third of the 30k total. I mean that's more than a mild nuisance IMHO. Yes, totally. Reasonable to say that broadly they have about one third of the local football supporting population.
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 2, 2022 9:46:19 GMT
Well you could argue about that but here's another way of looking at it. You're an investor looking to buy a mid-size club in central England with no emotional capital in any. Would you go for a Leicester or a Derby who have the run of their cities or ourselves with angry neighbours? Burslem, Longport, Tunstall, Smallthorne, Norton, Chell staunch Vale areas. Anywhere else? Kidsgrove has a decent amount of Vale fans.
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Post by tpholloway1 on May 2, 2022 9:54:26 GMT
Much as I despise the soap dodgers I can't help liking the Shanagans, who've done a lot of good things. I still hope they lose though. Oh how I miss Smurthwaite and his predecessor, Bill Bell. They were always good for a laugh. Smurf on the team coach and every time he opened his mouth, etc. Bell with the club shop, Anthony Gardener transfer etc.
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Post by stokienorthants on May 2, 2022 10:12:39 GMT
I would say Vale have about one third of the potential football watching audience of the Potteries behind them. You might say no they don't, they don't get one third of our gate but to make a meaningful comparison you have to ask what would be the respective gates were we in the same division. You have to be myopic not to see they are not a problem for us. S-O-T is already border line too small to long term support a Prem club and if you can routinely subtract a third of that population its a problem. They do affect our lives whether we choose to ignore it not. They are in our house, the cellar, the vegetable patch, bedroom 2 and the downstairs lavatory and we don't want them creeping in to the lounge room I know that much Not only are they in our house their game against Newport today is on Sky Sports Main Event
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Post by werrington on May 2, 2022 12:23:06 GMT
Mansfield winning away 2-1 at HT
Down to 6th they go
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Post by thevoid on May 2, 2022 12:52:56 GMT
Well you could argue about that but here's another way of looking at it. You're an investor looking to buy a mid-size club in central England with no emotional capital in any. Would you go for a Leicester or a Derby who have the run of their cities or ourselves with angry neighbours? Burslem, Longport, Tunstall, Smallthorne, Norton, Chell staunch Vale areas. Anywhere else? There are also plenty of Stoke supporters (and matchday coaches) from those parts of the city
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Post by thevoid on May 2, 2022 12:55:44 GMT
As I said earlier: it’s all down to the downtrodden/underdog mentality…… e.g. how many Scots, Welsh + Irish fans like seeing England do well? Not many But when Gareth Bale scored that free kick for the Welsh recently I imagine 50% of England fans loved it 50% ? I doubt that very much
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Post by thevoid on May 2, 2022 13:00:36 GMT
Vale are a nothing team, always have been, always will be. Apart from a couple of brief sojourns into the second division they've always drifted between the bottom two leagues with, I think, more time spent in the bottom division. Nowadays I know nothing about them, their manager, nor any of their players. I used to work with a colleague who supported them, and who took great delight in any misfortune that came Stoke's way. Personally I would like to see them permanently in the lower reaches of the bottom division, or more preferably in the National League, or better still, the National League North (or South). They could ideally take Crewe down with them at the same time. I worked with a shit fan who had a treble every weekend, Vile and Crwho to win and Stoke to lose. The daft twat didn't realise Crwho hate Vile as well.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on May 2, 2022 13:03:20 GMT
As I said earlier: it’s all down to the downtrodden/underdog mentality…… e.g. how many Scots, Welsh + Irish fans like seeing England do well? Not many But when Gareth Bale scored that free kick for the Welsh recently I imagine 50% of England fans loved it I didn't at all, I thought fuck off you chimpy looking sheepshagging Welsh twat but each to their own.
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Post by thevoid on May 2, 2022 13:03:30 GMT
I would say Vale have about one third of the potential football watching audience of the Potteries behind them. You might say no they don't, they don't get one third of our gate but to make a meaningful comparison you have to ask what would be the respective gates were we in the same division. You have to be myopic not to see they are not a problem for us. S-O-T is already border line too small to long term support a Prem club and if you can routinely subtract a third of that population its a problem. They do affect our lives whether we choose to ignore it not. They are in our house, the cellar, the vegetable patch, bedroom 2 and the downstairs lavatory and we don't want them creeping in to the lounge room I know that much It's a good job that the glorious borough of Newcastle Under Lyme is supportive of the Potters then Plus isn't there a bigger Stoke support in places like Leek, Stafford and Uttoxeter than there is for Fail?
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