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Post by meirman61 on Apr 21, 2022 13:01:52 GMT
Is this the reason there are more sniffer dogs at games these days? At the Brum game and a couple of others there have been at least 3 "Dog Unit" vans (private contractors?) with the doggos being prepped to go in about an hour before the game. I parked next to one the other week and noted to the bloke with them that his 2 labradors were very quiet and well-trained. He said "Yeah, they're Bomb dogs - calmer than normal patrol dogs". I didn't ask if they were actually sniffing for explosives or if they can pick up pyro scent as well - but I wonder now. What I want to know is once they've found one how do they cut the wires.
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 21, 2022 15:05:35 GMT
Is this the reason there are more sniffer dogs at games these days? At the Brum game and a couple of others there have been at least 3 "Dog Unit" vans (private contractors?) with the doggos being prepped to go in about an hour before the game. I parked next to one the other week and noted to the bloke with them that his 2 labradors were very quiet and well-trained. He said "Yeah, they're Bomb dogs - calmer than normal patrol dogs". I didn't ask if they were actually sniffing for explosives or if they can pick up pyro scent as well - but I wonder now. What I want to know is once they've found one how do they cut the wires. They just grab the bomb and go bury it.
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Post by ohbottom on Apr 21, 2022 15:38:27 GMT
What I want to know is once they've found one how do they cut the wires. They just grab the bomb and go bury it. I've now got this image in my head of the bomb squad digging up an old hand-grenade, chucking it away, and the dog bringing it back....
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Post by flea79 on Apr 21, 2022 16:03:13 GMT
didnt one of our lads near burn his bollocks off with one at vale park a few years back in the checkatrade?
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 21, 2022 17:28:11 GMT
didnt one of our lads near burn his bollocks off with one at vale park a few years back in the checkatrade? If only Carling did smoke bombs
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Post by felonious on Apr 21, 2022 17:40:59 GMT
didnt one of our lads near burn his bollocks off with one at vale park a few years back in the checkatrade? ..... together with a Darwin award.
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Post by banksy1art on Apr 21, 2022 17:42:05 GMT
Fuck me is this thread still dragging on
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 21, 2022 19:09:15 GMT
They just grab the bomb and go bury it. I've now got this image in my head of the bomb squad digging up an old hand-grenade, chucking it away, and the dog bringing it back....
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 21, 2022 19:23:22 GMT
didnt one of our lads near burn his bollocks off with one at vale park a few years back in the checkatrade? If only Carling did smoke bombs Carlsberg do better ones
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Post by alsagerstokie on Apr 21, 2022 21:11:35 GMT
Coat...................... Now To be honest letting them down left me in tears. The club phoned me to make sure i hadn't topped myself 🙃
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 21, 2022 22:36:19 GMT
Fuck me is this thread still dragging on Mainly because people keep posting on it. How strange.
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Post by skip on Apr 21, 2022 22:52:32 GMT
Fuck me is this thread still dragging on The smoke will clear soon enough. In the meantime, enjoy the plumes.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 22, 2022 7:46:12 GMT
Fuck me is this thread still dragging on Thanks for posting that informative post, because it has helped to extend the thread on a very important topic, about the real and serious physical, health and legal risks to fans of the use of pyros in crowds and enclosed spaces, for which pyros are not of course designed (quite the opposite). The more stokies get informed about this as quickly as possible, the better. The fact that the thread also contains some good humour is an added bonus. Your own contributions to date have included seriously misrepresenting what I said by claiming I wanted fellow Stoke fans arrested; calling good loyal stokies "useless" and "fannies"; and the absurd suggestion that the alternative to threatening the health and wellbeing of fellow stokies by letting off pyros. is staying at home with playstations.
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Post by leicspotter on Apr 22, 2022 7:48:37 GMT
Fuck me is this thread still dragging on Thanks for posting that informative post, because it has helped to extend the thread on a very important topic, about the real and serious physical, health and legal risks to fans of the use of pyros in crowds and enclosed spaces, for which pyros are not of course designed (quite the opposite). The more stokies get informed about this as quickly as possible, the better. The fact that the thread also contains some good humour is an added bonus. Your own contributions to date have included seriously misrepresenting what I said by claiming I wanted fellow Stoke fans arrested; calling good loyal stokies "useless" and "fannies"; and the absurd suggestion that the alternative to threatening the health and wellbeing of fellow stokies by letting off pyros. is staying at home with playstations. Sadly Malcolm, some of these idiots SHOULD be staying at home on their play stations 'cos they seem to struggle out in the real World.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 22, 2022 9:33:27 GMT
Thanks for posting that informative post, because it has helped to extend the thread on a very important topic, about the real and serious physical, health and legal risks to fans of the use of pyros in crowds and enclosed spaces, for which pyros are not of course designed (quite the opposite). The more stokies get informed about this as quickly as possible, the better. The fact that the thread also contains some good humour is an added bonus. Your own contributions to date have included seriously misrepresenting what I said by claiming I wanted fellow Stoke fans arrested; calling good loyal stokies "useless" and "fannies"; and the absurd suggestion that the alternative to threatening the health and wellbeing of fellow stokies by letting off pyros. is staying at home with playstations. Sadly Malcolm, some of these idiots SHOULD be staying at home on their play stations 'cos they seem to struggle out in the real World. Well, quite, Leics., but I fear that if they weren't at the football, they wouldn't be on playstations, but might be doing something stupid somewhere else. But we try to be optimistic about young supporters in particular, which is why, as I said above, when we are asked to give support, sometimes by parents, we sometimes try to persuade clubs to adopt a rehabilitative approach and use good behaviour agreements. But if a fan using pyros is arrested by the police, they are highly likely to be charged and the police apply for a banning order, and arguing mitigation in court becomes very difficult. To repeat the old adage, ignorance is no defence against the law, which is why on this thread and elsewhere I have referred to the legal as well as the health risks and simple respect for fellow Stoke fans. It is helpful that the Sentinel have run a story based on this thread www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-smoke-bomb-flare-6974176
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Post by flea79 on Apr 22, 2022 10:13:59 GMT
Sadly Malcolm, some of these idiots SHOULD be staying at home on their play stations 'cos they seem to struggle out in the real World. Well, quite, Leics., but I fear that if they weren't at the football, they wouldn't be on playstations, but might be doing something stupid somewhere else. But we try to be optimistic about young supporters in particular, which is why, as I said above, when we are asked to give support, sometimes by parents, we sometimes try to persuade clubs to adopt a rehabilitative approach and use good behaviour agreements. But if a fan using pyros is arrested by the police, they are highly likely to be charged and the police apply for a banning order, and arguing mitigation in court becomes very difficult. To repeat the old adage, ignorance is no defence against the law, which is why on this thread and elsewhere I have referred to the legal as well as the health risks and simple respect for fellow Stoke fans. It is helpful that the Sentinel have run a story based on this thread www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-smoke-bomb-flare-6974176we were all young once and thought stupid things were a good idea as the line in the bible stated: When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things maybe one or two of the younger ones will read this thread and see the dangers that can be posed by these items both physically and legally and it might help still all said i think we should have a pyro section at stoke to go with the rail seats and the stoke supporters band, the concourse beneath can sell ice creams!
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Post by Scouse on Apr 22, 2022 10:25:27 GMT
what’s also sad is younger or impressionable fans often feel peer pressured to either play up , or act in a way that gets them accepted into or seen as the group / class clown ..importantly of course the consequences of falling foul of a heavily policed and legislated sport like football can be far wider reaching than mere classroom high jinks
Some may not overly miss going to football if banned etc ..( others would be devastated ) but it could certainly have wider employment consequences together with restriction of travel and movement
more worryingly is when or if that peer pressure is used by older fans ( often just a year or two older ) to have others do their dirty work for them .. either by carrying the devises into the ground , or even setting them off ..in order to be accepted .. for clarification I’m not saying that was the case at Blackburn or regards Stoke generally .. ..but it most certainly is at some other clubs .. and something fans and parents alike need to be aware of ( as well hopefully as the police / courts etc )
I regard such behaviour as just one step up from those that first groom then control and use youngsters in county lines activity
Blackburn also seemed a perfect example of one of the points I made regards discussions needed regards the placement of rail seating and if they should be above or below sitting fans
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 22, 2022 10:54:04 GMT
Well, quite, Leics., but I fear that if they weren't at the football, they wouldn't be on playstations, but might be doing something stupid somewhere else. But we try to be optimistic about young supporters in particular, which is why, as I said above, when we are asked to give support, sometimes by parents, we sometimes try to persuade clubs to adopt a rehabilitative approach and use good behaviour agreements. But if a fan using pyros is arrested by the police, they are highly likely to be charged and the police apply for a banning order, and arguing mitigation in court becomes very difficult. To repeat the old adage, ignorance is no defence against the law, which is why on this thread and elsewhere I have referred to the legal as well as the health risks and simple respect for fellow Stoke fans. It is helpful that the Sentinel have run a story based on this thread www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-smoke-bomb-flare-6974176we were all young once and thought stupid things were a good idea as the line in the bible stated: When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things maybe one or two of the younger ones will read this thread and see the dangers that can be posed by these items both physically and legally and it might help still all said i think we should have a pyro section at stoke to go with the rail seats and the stoke supporters band, the concourse beneath can sell ice creams Hopefully, flea, which is why I have taken the time to post several times on this thread and why we support a constructive, educational and rehabilitative approach wherever possible, and why I'm not a member of the "give them life bans" approach. It's also why I was particularly upset by banksy1art's outrageously false statement that I wanted fellow Stoke fans arrested. Whatever the arguments and evidence, I really can't see pyro sections being allowed in this country any time soon. It's taken us 30 years to win the argument on standing ! But ice creams for sale on the concourse is a great call, particularly at the beginning and end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 11:02:16 GMT
we were all young once and thought stupid things were a good idea as the line in the bible stated: When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things maybe one or two of the younger ones will read this thread and see the dangers that can be posed by these items both physically and legally and it might help still all said i think we should have a pyro section at stoke to go with the rail seats and the stoke supporters band, the concourse beneath can sell ice creams Hopefully, flea, which is why I have taken the time to post several times on this thread and why we support a constructive, educational and rehabilitative approach wherever possible, and why I'm not a member of the "give them life bans" approach. It's also why I was particularly upset by banksy1art's outrageously false statement that I wanted fellow Stoke fans arrested. Whatever the arguments and evidence, I really can't see pyro sections being allowed in this country any time soon. It's taken us 30 years to win the argument on standing But ice creams for sale on the concourse is a great call, particularly at the beginning and end of the season. A cinema style choc ice woman would be great. Can I forward the idea of a rum n raisin choc ice, one of ice creams lost flavours. It's all marshmallow, cookie bits and choc fish shapes these days. To keep in context of the thread, please refrain from throwing smoke bombs at the ice cream lady.
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Post by skemstokie on Apr 22, 2022 11:52:28 GMT
Two penalties for a smoke bomb in a football ground. 1. Life ban from any future matches. 2. Smoke bomb chucked into the person’s house so they can smell the stench for a few days. These lethal devices are only a whisker away from killing someone with asthma. They are not funny, they are not a jape, they are not a game. Every time Stoke play 3 hrs litter picking starting at kick-off time,with a hi-vis stating why they are litter picking,in the area around the ground so they can hear the crowd but not see a thing.
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 22, 2022 12:27:48 GMT
Is this the reason there are more sniffer dogs at games these days? At the Brum game and a couple of others there have been at least 3 "Dog Unit" vans (private contractors?) with the doggos being prepped to go in about an hour before the game. I parked next to one the other week and noted to the bloke with them that his 2 labradors were very quiet and well-trained. He said "Yeah, they're Bomb dogs - calmer than normal patrol dogs". I didn't ask if they were actually sniffing for explosives or if they can pick up pyro scent as well - but I wonder now. Bomb dogs you say?
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 22, 2022 14:47:08 GMT
Extreme heat, open flame and tons of smoke in a dense, packed crowd. Yes, we live in a day and age where we have to explain to some why this isn't a good idea. And then to top that, they decide to throw them at people. Sounds like felonious assault to me. It wasn't that long ago that people were eating Tide dishwasher-pods, even an animal knows better than that.
Some of the European competitions, there's so much smoke you either have to leave or suffer smoke inhalation. Those attending who deal with pulmonary issues don't consider it a trivial matter.
Just another selfish "look at me" bid to get attention, like throwing beer but a hell of a lot more invasive/dangerous.
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Post by skemstokie on Apr 22, 2022 16:19:47 GMT
Extreme heat, open flame and tons of smoke in a dense, packed crowd. Yes, we live in a day and age where we have to explain to some why this isn't a good idea. And then to top that, they decide to throw them at people. Sounds like felonious assault to me. It wasn't that long ago that people were eating Tide dishwasher-pods, even an animal knows better than that. Some of the European competitions, there's so much smoke you either have to leave or suffer smoke inhalation. Those attending who deal with pulmonary issues don't consider it a trivial matter. Just another selfish "look at me" bid to get attention, like throwing beer but a hell of a lot more invasive/dangerous. Between smoking in toilets,flares and getting covered in beer my days following Stoke are over might possibly push the boat out and do the corporate bit beginning of next season. I can park close,get in early and out late so maybe?
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Apr 22, 2022 16:32:46 GMT
Extreme heat, open flame and tons of smoke in a dense, packed crowd. Yes, we live in a day and age where we have to explain to some why this isn't a good idea. And then to top that, they decide to throw them at people. Sounds like felonious assault to me. It wasn't that long ago that people were eating Tide dishwasher-pods, even an animal knows better than that. Some of the European competitions, there's so much smoke you either have to leave or suffer smoke inhalation. Those attending who deal with pulmonary issues don't consider it a trivial matter. Just another selfish "look at me" bid to get attention, like throwing beer but a hell of a lot more invasive/dangerous. What is it i saw the other week, car manuals used to tell you how to adjust the valves, now they tell you not to drink the contents of the battery 🙄🙄😁😁
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Post by felonious on Apr 22, 2022 16:52:50 GMT
Extreme heat, open flame and tons of smoke in a dense, packed crowd. Yes, we live in a day and age where we have to explain to some why this isn't a good idea. And then to top that, they decide to throw them at people. Sounds like a Dirtclod felonious assault to me. It wasn't that long ago that people were eating Tide dishwasher-pods, even an animal knows better than that. Some of the European competitions, there's so much smoke you either have to leave or suffer smoke inhalation. Those attending who deal with pulmonary issues don't consider it a trivial matter. Just another selfish "look at me" bid to get attention, like throwing beer but a hell of a lot more invasive/dangerous. Fixed
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Post by callas12 on Apr 22, 2022 23:28:02 GMT
Extreme heat, open flame and tons of smoke in a dense, packed crowd. Yes, we live in a day and age where we have to explain to some why this isn't a good idea. And then to top that, they decide to throw them at people. Sounds like felonious assault to me. It wasn't that long ago that people were eating Tide dishwasher-pods, even an animal knows better than that. Some of the European competitions, there's so much smoke you either have to leave or suffer smoke inhalation. Those attending who deal with pulmonary issues don't consider it a trivial matter. Just another selfish "look at me" bid to get attention, like throwing beer but a hell of a lot more invasive/dangerous. Between smoking in toilets,flares and getting covered in beer my days following Stoke are over might possibly push the boat out and do the corporate bit beginning of next season. I can park close,get in early and out late so maybe? Went the toilets at Bournemouth a month or so back & the sinks were hanging off and water was pissing out everywhere, apparently its cool to trash the ceramics at grounds now 🙄.. Heard the culprit got caught for that Bournemouth damage.. Why would you tho 🤔 With reference to the damage the pyro's can potentially cause, you only have to look at the pitch scorch marks when they get removed from the grass by the stewards Not suprised the OP was annoyed to have his jacket damaged
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 23, 2022 5:32:21 GMT
They deserve a good kicking and hopefully it won't be long before the selfish cunts get one. Spice users most of them…… As a side note, I took the lad to FC Twente v Cambuur a few weeks back…. Someone threw a smoke bomb from the middle of the him terrace and promptly cracked a lilltle lad on the head at the front…the perpatrator promptly got a right good kicking from those around him…..don’t see why we can’t administer this type of retribution. Quite funny to watch as well , with this lad trying to fend off 6 or 7 lads just windmilling into him. Didn’t look too clever after
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 23, 2022 5:38:37 GMT
That was felonious of me to associate our Felonious with felonious behavior. Could have been seen by some as acrimonious rather than harmonious. But blathering on about it would become sanctimonious, tedious and eventually odious.
And now back to our airplay of Thelonious Monk's "Straight No Chaser."
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 23, 2022 5:38:40 GMT
Fuck me is this thread still dragging on Has your supplier been arrested? Are you struggling to socialise?
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Post by felonious on Apr 23, 2022 6:44:13 GMT
That was felonious of me to associate our Felonious with felonious behavior. Could have been seen by some as acrimonious rather than harmonious. But blathering on about it would become sanctimonious, tedious and eventually odious. And now back to our airplay of Thelonious Monk's "Straight No Chaser." Funnily enough it was based on a misspelling of Thelonious (Monk). Felonious my old friend Step on in and let me shake your hand So glad that you're here again For one more time Let your madness run with mine Streets still unseen we'll find somehow No time is better than now
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