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Post by slicko on Apr 3, 2022 7:47:21 GMT
When was the last season we finished with a positive goal difference? Is that a measure of success?
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39 14 10 15 +5 52 points
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Post by walrus on Apr 3, 2022 7:56:13 GMT
It’s a measure of the fact that most of our defeats have been narrow and if we could have cut out some stupid mistakes we may well still be in the playoff picture.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 3, 2022 8:29:18 GMT
When was the last season we finished with a positive goal difference? Is that a measure of success? Stoke 39 14 10 15 +5 52 points Shows, alongside the points dropped from winning positions, how close we are to being a promotion contender next season and why it would be stupid to replace MON and start from scratch again. |
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Post by jokker on Apr 3, 2022 9:10:58 GMT
When was the last season we finished with a positive goal difference? Is that a measure of success? Stoke 39 14 10 15 +5 52 points It'd only had significance if we were fighting relegation or chasing promotion where it might have counted as an extra point if we'd otherwise been level with one or more teams. But when you're midtable it means nothing, although again if we're in danger of losing our treasured 13th place then gd could decide another team finishes 14th. In the grander scheme of things it signifies that O'Neill's much maligned tactics have worked well for us. When we've lost, we've only done so narrowly, except the Fulham game, and when we've won we've won by more than one goal on a few occasions. I think it's a meaningless but still remarkable thing that we've "achieved" this stat despite fielding three different goalies, a wide assortment of central defenders, some experimental rbs/rwbs, and a lb/lwb who by common consent can't defend. Of course there's also credit for our forwards who've scored more than these miserly defenders have conceded. |
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Post by Veritas on Apr 3, 2022 9:23:08 GMT
When was the last season we finished with a positive goal difference? Is that a measure of success? Stoke 39 14 10 15 +5 52 points 2014/15 9th in the Premier League with a +3 goal difference and before that our 07/08 promotion season. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 3, 2022 9:23:45 GMT
When was the last season we finished with a positive goal difference? Is that a measure of success? Stoke 39 14 10 15 +5 52 points No. This season has been abject failure. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 3, 2022 9:36:07 GMT
It’s a measure of the fact that most of our defeats have been narrow and if we could have cut out some stupid mistakes we may well still be in the playoff picture. It's exactly that, Fulham played us off the park at Craven Cottage but apart from that we've been broadly at the races, just come up frustratingly short too often. |
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Post by walrus on Apr 3, 2022 10:01:17 GMT
It’s a measure of the fact that most of our defeats have been narrow and if we could have cut out some stupid mistakes we may well still be in the playoff picture. It's exactly that, Fulham played us off the park at Craven Cottage but apart from that we've been broadly at the races, just come up frustratingly short too often. Yep. Fourteen defeats by a single goal and very few draws where we were left thinking “that was a decent point”. Makes for a very frustrating season. |
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Post by jokker on Apr 3, 2022 11:00:19 GMT
When was the last season we finished with a positive goal difference? Is that a measure of success? Stoke 39 14 10 15 +5 52 points No. This season has been abject failure. It has if you believed we would run away with the title. But you can probably count on one finger those that thought we would. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 3, 2022 11:11:26 GMT
No. This season has been abject failure. It has if you believed we would run away with the title. But you can probably count on one finger those that thought we would. So by what metrics has it been a reasonable season? |
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Post by jokker on Apr 3, 2022 11:26:00 GMT
It has if you believed we would run away with the title. But you can probably count on one finger those that thought we would. So by what metrics has it been a reasonable season? Read above. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 3, 2022 12:19:54 GMT
When was the last season we finished with a positive goal difference? Is that a measure of success? Stoke 39 14 10 15 +5 52 points It'd only had significance if we were fighting relegation or chasing promotion where it might have counted as an extra point if we'd otherwise been level with one or more teams. But when you're midtable it means nothing, although again if we're in danger of losing our treasured 13th place then gd could decide another team finishes 14th. In the grander scheme of things it signifies that O'Neill's much maligned tactics have worked well for us. When we've lost, we've only done so narrowly, except the Fulham game, and when we've won we've won by more than one goal on a few occasions. I think it's a meaningless but still remarkable thing that we've "achieved" this stat despite fielding three different goalies, a wide assortment of central defenders, some experimental rbs/rwbs, and a lb/lwb who by common consent can't defend. Of course there's also credit for our forwards who've scored more than these miserly defenders have conceded. I’m not sure where this “Tymon can’t defend” notion is coming from to be honest. He’s done it competently all season and has been solid enough in a back four. I don’t remember us being constantly overloaded on the left flank too often this season to be honest. He’s had some really bad games in seasons gone by, but I can’t see that statement as true this year. |
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Post by lordb on Apr 3, 2022 13:26:26 GMT
It'd only had significance if we were fighting relegation or chasing promotion where it might have counted as an extra point if we'd otherwise been level with one or more teams. But when you're midtable it means nothing, although again if we're in danger of losing our treasured 13th place then gd could decide another team finishes 14th. In the grander scheme of things it signifies that O'Neill's much maligned tactics have worked well for us. When we've lost, we've only done so narrowly, except the Fulham game, and when we've won we've won by more than one goal on a few occasions. I think it's a meaningless but still remarkable thing that we've "achieved" this stat despite fielding three different goalies, a wide assortment of central defenders, some experimental rbs/rwbs, and a lb/lwb who by common consent can't defend. Of course there's also credit for our forwards who've scored more than these miserly defenders have conceded. I’m not sure where this “Tymon can’t defend” notion is coming from to be honest. He’s done it competently all season and has been solid enough in a back four. I don’t remember us being constantly overloaded on the left flank too often this season to be honest. He’s had some really bad games in seasons gone by, but I can’t see that statement as true this year. He's been much better at LB than was expecting Wish we had a right back of the same standard |
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Post by jokker on Apr 3, 2022 16:01:25 GMT
It'd only had significance if we were fighting relegation or chasing promotion where it might have counted as an extra point if we'd otherwise been level with one or more teams. But when you're midtable it means nothing, although again if we're in danger of losing our treasured 13th place then gd could decide another team finishes 14th. In the grander scheme of things it signifies that O'Neill's much maligned tactics have worked well for us. When we've lost, we've only done so narrowly, except the Fulham game, and when we've won we've won by more than one goal on a few occasions. I think it's a meaningless but still remarkable thing that we've "achieved" this stat despite fielding three different goalies, a wide assortment of central defenders, some experimental rbs/rwbs, and a lb/lwb who by common consent can't defend. Of course there's also credit for our forwards who've scored more than these miserly defenders have conceded. I’m not sure where this “Tymon can’t defend” notion is coming from to be honest. He’s done it competently all season and has been solid enough in a back four. I don’t remember us being constantly overloaded on the left flank too often this season to be honest. He’s had some really bad games in seasons gone by, but I can’t see that statement as true this year. It comes from the recent past. If you go through the match threads this season you'll find plenty of complaints about the very same Josh. Personally I've never criticised him. I was one of dwindling number that supported him when Jones hauled him off in the 43rd minute against I've forgotten who. I protested each time he was offered out on loan, which even O'Neill did last season. But that time Josh decided to fight for his place, and scfc is a better team for it. He does play nowadays with a drive and confidence that really beggars belief when you saw him come into the ground last season and the one before just looking into the ground as if hoping it would swallow him up - and he wasn't even in the matchday squad then. I think O'Neill deserves huge credit for turning around the fortunes of Josh. It didn't happen overnight and he's still got some way to go before he can add to his previous England honours, if ever he does. He might have to play for a better club for that... |
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Post by tqstokie on Apr 3, 2022 16:51:37 GMT
His big fault for me is that he gives the winger too much space and does not get close enough to prevent the cross.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 3, 2022 17:45:05 GMT
The season we beat Liverpool 6-1 wasn't it?
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 5, 2022 2:59:42 GMT
I genuinely can’t believe we managed it in the Prem, it’s such a hard thing to achieve. What a season that was.
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Post by slicko on May 10, 2022 6:43:02 GMT
Plus 5. Signs of better things to come?
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Post by Davef on May 10, 2022 6:53:46 GMT
Plus 5. Signs of better things to come? Yeah. We just need to figure out where the 30 odd extra goals are going to come from to make us genuine top two contenders now. |
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Post by lordb on May 10, 2022 6:55:29 GMT
Plus 5. Signs of better things to come? Yeah. We just need to figure out where the 30 odd extra goals are going to come from to make us genuine top two contenders now. Given the number of goals we've lost by one goal it wouldn't take 30 extra goals Big factor in why this season has been so frustrating |
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Post by heworksardtho on May 10, 2022 7:10:17 GMT
When was the last season we finished with a positive goal difference? Is that a measure of success? Stoke 39 14 10 15 +5 52 points Chuck in the endless dire , shit football we played and I’d say NO |
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Post by HarryTheHat on May 10, 2022 7:27:32 GMT
When was the last season we finished with a positive goal difference? Is that a measure of success? Stoke 39 14 10 15 +5 52 points No. This season has been abject failure. Seemingly there's no straw to be left un-clutched by the happy clappers We finished 14th - on what planet is that any sort of "success" ? - absolutely unbelievable (Jeff) |
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Post by slicko on May 10, 2022 21:46:09 GMT
No. This season has been abject failure. Seemingly there's no straw to be left un-clutched by the happy clappers We finished 14th - on what planet is that any sort of "success" ? - absolutely unbelievable (Jeff) Conversely, the wrist-slitting negative ninnies cannot acknowledge that progress is preceded by stability. |
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Post by PotterLog on May 10, 2022 21:53:06 GMT
Seemingly there's no straw to be left un-clutched by the happy clappers We finished 14th - on what planet is that any sort of "success" ? - absolutely unbelievable (Jeff) Conversely, the wrist-slitting negative ninnies cannot acknowledge that progress is preceded by stability. Aren't we the only team relegated from the Prem that hasn't managed at least one top six finish since we've been down? Someone should tell those other teams they're supposed to aim for stability like us. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 22:27:44 GMT
Conversely, the wrist-slitting negative ninnies cannot acknowledge that progress is preceded by stability. Aren't we the only team relegated from the Prem that hasn't managed at least one top six finish since we've been down? Someone should tell those other teams they're supposed to aim for stability like us. Maybe they didn't waste £50 million straight after relegation on the likes of McClean, Afobe, Clucas, Woods and Ince. No wonder we are in a state. Not made a penny back on any of them have we? |
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Post by Gods on May 10, 2022 23:01:46 GMT
Aren't we the only team relegated from the Prem that hasn't managed at least one top six finish since we've been down? Someone should tell those other teams they're supposed to aim for stability like us. Maybe they didn't waste £50 million straight after relegation on the likes of McClean, Afobe, Clucas, Woods and Ince. No wonder we are in a state. Not made a penny back on any of them have we? We had a nightmare with our pre and post relegation spending splurges. |
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Post by slicko on May 11, 2022 6:19:45 GMT
Conversely, the wrist-slitting negative ninnies cannot acknowledge that progress is preceded by stability. Aren't we the only team relegated from the Prem that hasn't managed at least one top six finish since we've been down? Someone should tell those other teams they're supposed to aim for stability like us. Perhaps you would be better off supporting Portsmouth or Sunderland? |
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Post by heworksardtho on May 11, 2022 6:30:21 GMT
Aren't we the only team relegated from the Prem that hasn't managed at least one top six finish since we've been down? Someone should tell those other teams they're supposed to aim for stability like us. Perhaps you would be better off supporting Portsmouth or Sunderland? With ONeill in charge we could follow Sunderland’s model and be relegated next season it’s a very distinct possibility |
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Post by slicko on May 11, 2022 6:39:36 GMT
Perhaps you would be better off supporting Portsmouth or Sunderland? With ONeill in charge we could follow Sunderland’s model and be relegated next season it’s a very distinct possibility With O’Neil in charge he addressed the bigger problem to avoid the Sunderland scenario. |
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Post by heworksardtho on May 11, 2022 7:05:49 GMT
With ONeill in charge we could follow Sunderland’s model and be relegated next season it’s a very distinct possibility With O’Neil in charge he addressed the bigger problem to avoid the Sunderland scenario. If he’s here next season relegation is a big possibility |
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