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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 29, 2022 9:36:45 GMT
The 3 coming in so far I believe are excellent signings.
It’s also positive that we’ve got Afobe’s wages off the wage bill.
It’s interesting that someone posted we needed to get that deal done before July 1st. I can see that being the date that things start happening.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 29, 2022 9:41:29 GMT
The 3 coming in so far I believe are excellent signings. It’s also positive that we’ve got Afobe’s wages off the wage bill. It’s interesting that someone posted we needed to get that deal done before July 1st. I can see that being the date that things start happening. Surely nothing is going to happen if you listen to our resident experts on FFP and football finances in general. Someone on here yesterday even reckoned Stoke need to make a profit of £2M this year to comply with FFP over the cycle. Look out for flying pigs if you venture out too FFS.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 29, 2022 9:49:07 GMT
The 3 coming in so far I believe are excellent signings. It’s also positive that we’ve got Afobe’s wages off the wage bill. It’s interesting that someone posted we needed to get that deal done before July 1st. I can see that being the date that things start happening. Surely nothing is going to happen if you listen to our resident experts on FFP and football finances in general. Someone on here yesterday even reckoned Stoke need to make a profit of £2M this year to comply with FFP over the cycle. Look out for flying pigs if you venture out too FFS. I certainly think our first 11 looks stronger than last year already just our bench that needs boosting as it’s threadbare at the moment. Current priorities for me Target man Goalkeeper Genuine DM
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 29, 2022 9:50:31 GMT
The 3 coming in so far I believe are excellent signings. It’s also positive that we’ve got Afobe’s wages off the wage bill. It’s interesting that someone posted we needed to get that deal done before July 1st. I can see that being the date that things start happening. Surely nothing is going to happen if you listen to our resident experts on FFP and football finances in general. Someone on here yesterday even reckoned Stoke need to make a profit of £2M this year to comply with FFP over the cycle. Look out for flying pigs if you venture out too FFS. Of course things will happen but mainly out of contract freebies and loans. If you are expecting any 1 million plus incoming transfers then there will have to be incoming fees to fund it. It doesn't take an expert to work that out but it does take a fantasist to believe otherwise.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 29, 2022 10:04:55 GMT
Surely nothing is going to happen if you listen to our resident experts on FFP and football finances in general. Someone on here yesterday even reckoned Stoke need to make a profit of £2M this year to comply with FFP over the cycle. Look out for flying pigs if you venture out too FFS. Of course things will happen but mainly out of contract freebies and loans. If you are expecting any 1 million plus incoming transfers then there will have to be incoming fees to fund it. It doesn't take an expert to work that out but it does take a fantasist to believe otherwise. Is that such a bad thing. There’s a lot of excellent potential loans out there and players with our clubs. Ultimately what will 2m get you anyway. I’d suggest nothing special. Wages is what will get the better players not transfer fees. We seem a lot more competitive re wages than fees.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 29, 2022 10:06:01 GMT
Surely nothing is going to happen if you listen to our resident experts on FFP and football finances in general. Someone on here yesterday even reckoned Stoke need to make a profit of £2M this year to comply with FFP over the cycle. Look out for flying pigs if you venture out too FFS. Of course things will happen but mainly out of contract freebies and loans. If you are expecting any 1 million plus incoming transfers then there will have to be incoming fees to fund it. It doesn't take an expert to work that out but it does take a fantasist to believe otherwise. So you're laying your balls on the line we won't have a £1M+ net spend. Come on commit to it, or don't you want to take the chance that you are the fantasist.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 29, 2022 10:43:46 GMT
Of course things will happen but mainly out of contract freebies and loans. If you are expecting any 1 million plus incoming transfers then there will have to be incoming fees to fund it. It doesn't take an expert to work that out but it does take a fantasist to believe otherwise. So you're laying your balls on the line we won't have a £1M+ net spend. Come on commit to it, or don't you want to take the chance that you are the fantasist. I don’t think that we will spend a penny (transfer fee, not loan/signing on) unless we sell or get money from Collins.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 29, 2022 10:47:08 GMT
Of course things will happen but mainly out of contract freebies and loans. If you are expecting any 1 million plus incoming transfers then there will have to be incoming fees to fund it. It doesn't take an expert to work that out but it does take a fantasist to believe otherwise. So you're laying your balls on the line we won't have a £1M+ net spend. Come on commit to it, or don't you want to take the chance that you are the fantasist. I don't expect our expenditure on transfers to exceed any income we receive for transfers out. I'm a realist.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 29, 2022 10:48:15 GMT
So you're laying your balls on the line we won't have a £1M+ net spend. Come on commit to it, or don't you want to take the chance that you are the fantasist. I don’t think that we will spend a penny (transfer fee, not loan/signing on) unless we sell or get money from Collins. But you're still leaving yourself somewhere to go to claim you're right even when you're wrong. We could sell or get money for Collins and spend £1M+ more than we received and you'd still claim to be correct. Net spend or not or don't really know?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 29, 2022 10:51:22 GMT
So you're laying your balls on the line we won't have a £1M+ net spend. Come on commit to it, or don't you want to take the chance that you are the fantasist. I don't expect our expenditure on transfers to exceed any income we receive for transfers out. I'm a realist. That's good enough for me expect we'll revisit this soon. You're not a realist just a pessimist who likes to make out you know something you don't.
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Post by lordb on Jun 29, 2022 11:05:46 GMT
I don't expect our expenditure on transfers to exceed any income we receive for transfers out. I'm a realist. That's good enough for me expect we'll revisit this soon. You're not a realist just a pessimist who likes to make out you know something you don't. are you expecting nett spend to £1m+ then?
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Post by independent on Jun 29, 2022 11:16:55 GMT
he got rid of a couple, fairly quick but what about Vrancic,Mikel,Fletcher,Fox,Jagielka,Chester, Wilmot, Brown, etc. etc.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 29, 2022 11:17:36 GMT
I don’t think that we will spend a penny (transfer fee, not loan/signing on) unless we sell or get money from Collins. But you're still leaving yourself somewhere to go to claim you're right even when you're wrong. We could sell or get money for Collins and spend £1M+ more than we received and you'd still claim to be correct. Net spend or not or don't really know? I don’t think we’ll make a net positive spend won transfers. If I’m wrong, fair enough. I just don’t believe that we will.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 29, 2022 11:18:08 GMT
That's good enough for me expect we'll revisit this soon. You're not a realist just a pessimist who likes to make out you know something you don't. are you expecting nett spend to £1m+ then? Absolutely but then I'm a fantasist, who's used to dealing with disappointment. Is that better or worse than a fantasist who claims to know things they don't?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 29, 2022 11:21:03 GMT
We're going to win the league too because I can't think of any reason to think otherwise. Is it impossible?
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Post by independent on Jun 29, 2022 11:22:35 GMT
The 3 coming in so far I believe are excellent signings. It’s also positive that we’ve got Afobe’s wages off the wage bill. It’s interesting that someone posted we needed to get that deal done before July 1st. I can see that being the date that things start happening. Surely nothing is going to happen if you listen to our resident experts on FFP and football finances in general. Someone on here yesterday even reckoned Stoke need to make a profit of £2M this year to comply with FFP over the cycle. Look out for flying pigs if you venture out too FFS. You obviously have not looked at our losses over the last 2 years. We are allowed £39 million losses over 3 seasons. Do the maths and you will see why it was necessary to sell Collins. If you can't do simple arithmatic then I don't think you should comment on the matter.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 29, 2022 11:27:43 GMT
Surely nothing is going to happen if you listen to our resident experts on FFP and football finances in general. Someone on here yesterday even reckoned Stoke need to make a profit of £2M this year to comply with FFP over the cycle. Look out for flying pigs if you venture out too FFS. You obviously have not looked at our losses over the last 2 years. We are allowed £39 million losses over 3 seasons. Do the maths and you will see why it was necessary to sell Collins. If you can't do simple arithmatic then I don't think you should comment on the matter. I don't claim to know I'm pretty sure you don't know our exact position in regards to breaching FFP either but if you're the one who reckons we're going to make a £2M profit I think that's pretty funny.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 29, 2022 11:37:59 GMT
You obviously have not looked at our losses over the last 2 years. We are allowed £39 million losses over 3 seasons. Do the maths and you will see why it was necessary to sell Collins. If you can't do simple arithmatic then I don't think you should comment on the matter. I don't claim to know I'm pretty sure you don't know our exact position in regards to breaching FFP either but if you're the one who reckons we're going to make a £2M profit I think that's pretty funny. If we needed to make a £2M profit to avoid a points deduction we'd be spending like fucking sailors trying to make sure we could overcome the deduction without getting relegated and having good players contracted to see us through any embargo they placed on us too because a need to make £2M to avoid a points deduction is as good as a points deduction in this league with our overheads, we can't sell the ground again you know.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 29, 2022 12:18:31 GMT
I don't expect our expenditure on transfers to exceed any income we receive for transfers out. I'm a realist. That's good enough for me expect we'll revisit this soon. You're not a realist just a pessimist who likes to make out you know something you don't. I never said I know our exact position regarding FFP. I said I think we are not in a position to spend much unless we sell and that is based on what I have heard about our position with respect to FFP from the club and others more knowledgeable than myself about the matter. My "pessimism" (and by nature I'm an optimist) is based on available information. Your "optimism" appears to be based on pure wishful thinking and choosing to wilfully ignore the information that is available about our financial position. As things stand I'm willing to accept I might be wrong and you might be right but I think I'm more likely to be right than you because at least I'm taking into account the available evidence. And I don't need to be an expert or claim special knowledge to hold that view.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 29, 2022 12:22:32 GMT
Of course things will happen but mainly out of contract freebies and loans. If you are expecting any 1 million plus incoming transfers then there will have to be incoming fees to fund it. It doesn't take an expert to work that out but it does take a fantasist to believe otherwise. Is that such a bad thing. There’s a lot of excellent potential loans out there and players with our clubs. Ultimately what will 2m get you anyway. I’d suggest nothing special. Wages is what will get the better players not transfer fees. We seem a lot more competitive re wages than fees. Couldn't agree more. It doesn't actually worry me that much because I don't think splashing the cash is a fool proof road to success - in fact we are living proof that it isn't. There are good players to be had with no upfront outlay and I agree completely if we have cash to spare we should blow it on wages rather than transfer fees.
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Post by lordb on Jun 29, 2022 12:31:55 GMT
are you expecting nett spend to £1m+ then? Absolutely but then I'm a fantasist, who's used to dealing with disappointment. Is that better or worse than a fantasist who claims to know things they don't? Going by the comments made by the club/manager so far, the dealings so far & the lack of links to Stoke bidding for players with actual, transfer fees involved I think it's both logical & reasonable to assume we will not spend £1m+ this summer on transfer fees Don't think that's anyone saying they know things others don't it's just drawing a conclusion based on the evidence we have, calling someone a fantasist is both unfair & simply inaccurate,no? Obviously if Collins goes for & we get some cash there that's a pot we can use maybe the manager & the club are lying & have a bit of cash but don't want clubs to know in order to keep prices down, that happens Should we get say £3m to spend courtesy of Collins sale then personally I'd be happy if we spent it on JPB
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 29, 2022 12:33:20 GMT
That's good enough for me expect we'll revisit this soon. You're not a realist just a pessimist who likes to make out you know something you don't. I never said I know our exact position regarding FFP. I said I think we are not in a position to spend much unless we sell and that is based on what I have heard about our position with respect to FFP from the club and others more knowledgeable than myself about the matter. My "pessimism" (and by nature I'm an optimist) is based on available information. Your "optimism" appears to be based on pure wishful thinking and choosing to wilfully ignore the information that is available about our financial position. As things stand I'm willing to accept I might be wrong and you might be right but I think I'm more likely to be right than you because at least I'm taking into account the available evidence. And I don't need to be an expert or claim special knowledge to hold that view. My optimism is based on the fact that I don't think it could possibly be as tight as people are claiming it is. I've already explained in a post above why it would be foolhardy to hogtie ourselves from a playing staff perspective if it's likely we'll breach(ie we need to make a £2M profit). Even if it was touch and go I think it would be gambling with the clubs prospects not to recruit to make life easier for yourself under any sort of embargo. So I can only conclude that the club are absolutely confident of not breaching therefore there must be a comfortable contingency into which they might decide to dip. You tell me whether that's wishful thinking or reasonable deduction.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 29, 2022 12:34:47 GMT
The 3 coming in so far I believe are excellent signings. It’s also positive that we’ve got Afobe’s wages off the wage bill. It’s interesting that someone posted we needed to get that deal done before July 1st. I can see that being the date that things start happening. Surely nothing is going to happen if you listen to our resident experts on FFP and football finances in general. Someone on here yesterday even reckoned Stoke need to make a profit of £2M this year to comply with FFP over the cycle. Look out for flying pigs if you venture out too FFS. If we use Swiss Ramble as the base, assuming we met the FFP rules last season, we would have made a profit of £2-3 million in 2021-22 which presumably the Collins deal delivered. That means we can lose £6 million in 2022/23.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 29, 2022 12:37:50 GMT
So you're laying your balls on the line we won't have a £1M+ net spend. Come on commit to it, or don't you want to take the chance that you are the fantasist. I don't expect our expenditure on transfers to exceed any income we receive for transfers out. I'm a realist. But if we got £2million in, that is equivalent to £8 million of spending on players with 4 year contracts. It is not a one for one relationship
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Post by MilanStokie on Jun 29, 2022 12:38:10 GMT
I think whatever we make from the Collins transfer will go towards a striker, apart from that, I dont anticipate spending anything in players.
LW, Striker, CDM and depending on formation, another wing back.
If we sell Clucas and Fox, we may need another CB/CM again depending on the formation we use.
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Post by independent on Jun 29, 2022 12:42:08 GMT
I don't claim to know I'm pretty sure you don't know our exact position in regards to breaching FFP either but if you're the one who reckons we're going to make a £2M profit I think that's pretty funny. If we needed to make a £2M profit to avoid a points deduction we'd be spending like fucking sailors trying to make sure we could overcome the deduction without getting relegated and having good players contracted to see us through any embargo they placed on us too because a need to make £2M to avoid a points deduction is as good as a points deduction in this league with our overheads, we can't sell the ground again you know. Why would we if we were prudent and made a profit on Collins to make the sums add up. We have lost £174million over the last 4 years and thro' a variety of means have avoided a points deduction. If we were going to do what you advocate we would already have done it, when we lost over 80m. in one season alone.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 29, 2022 12:48:31 GMT
Surely nothing is going to happen if you listen to our resident experts on FFP and football finances in general. Someone on here yesterday even reckoned Stoke need to make a profit of £2M this year to comply with FFP over the cycle. Look out for flying pigs if you venture out too FFS. If we use Swiss Ramble as the base, assuming we met the FFP rules last season, we would have made a profit of £2-3 million in 2021-22 which presumably the Collins deal delivered. That means we can lose £6 million in 2022/23. That's using guesses and assumptions that could easily be out by a million or so which is what these posters are so certain we are incapable of spending. Can you see my logic that if there is any doubt about your ability to comply with FFP that you're better off not even trying but trying to set yourself up to live with the consequences?
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Post by independent on Jun 29, 2022 12:53:02 GMT
Maybe I'm wrong, and if so I'm sure you will correct me but as I understand it the figures Swiss Rambler used are from the clubs audited accounts and are not guesses that could be out by a million or two.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 29, 2022 12:54:55 GMT
If we needed to make a £2M profit to avoid a points deduction we'd be spending like fucking sailors trying to make sure we could overcome the deduction without getting relegated and having good players contracted to see us through any embargo they placed on us too because a need to make £2M to avoid a points deduction is as good as a points deduction in this league with our overheads, we can't sell the ground again you know. Why would we if we were prudent and made a profit on Collins to make the sums add up. We have lost £174million over the last 4 years and thro' a variety of means have avoided a points deduction. If we were going to do what you advocate we would already have done it, when we lost over 80m. in one season alone. I think you're making my point for me which is we've been absolutely confident of not breaching at all times. Don't even ask me how we possibly could be given the figures involved. What I advocate is the actions of any right minded organisation that knows that an embargo and sanctions are likely down the line, if that was the case it would be absolutely foolhardy not to try to get out in front of them.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 29, 2022 12:55:32 GMT
Maybe I'm wrong, and if so I'm sure you will correct me but as I understand it the figures Swiss Rambler used are from the clubs audited accounts and are not guesses that could be out by a million or two. They're over a year old. Projecting figures since to tell you our position now demands a degree of guesswork no matter how educated and could easily be missing their landing point by over £1M.
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