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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 28, 2022 15:39:33 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 28, 2022 16:39:00 GMT
I'd be very surprised if we don't bring in any players for a fee this window. What makes you think this mate? When the season finished, I was of the same mind as you. However, the more I hear, the more I think we can’t due to the big black FFP cloud hanging over our heads. I get the impression we are hanging on by a thread financially. That's not quite right. In terms of financial backing we are in a way better place than most clubs in the league. The issue is our spending under FFP is constrained by our income and expenditure - not by the financial clout of the owners. This means we can't just drop money (which the owners have) on transfers and wages. Given we have to pay wages and better players demand better wages if we have to choose between wages and transfer fees we will be better off paying better wages. In effect transfer fees will have to be self financing - any fees we pay out will have to be balanced by incoming fees for players we sell. Thing is we haven't got many saleable assets and those we have (like Campbell and Souttar) we would rather keep. The chances of us paying out much in transfer fees is pretty low so there's no point expecting our season is going to be defined by our transfer expenditure - it's going to be defined by what we can get out of loans and freebies. |
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Post by LGH87 on Jun 28, 2022 17:36:20 GMT
2 centre-backs on the move in the Champo. Wonder what level we're after? Cheap and cheerful cover, loan or a proper investment? www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/sunderland-leading-race-sign-arsenal-2434333Sunderland are leading the race to sign Arsenal defender Daniel Ballard following the breakdown of his proposed move to Burnley. The Northern Ireland defender was expected to join Vincent Kompany's Clarets and he travelled to Lancashire for a medical before the switch foundered over the weekend when the sides could not agree personal terms. Sunderland were also in the running to sign Ballard and with Burnley now out of the running, they have stepped up their interest in the 22-year-old. The deal is not yet done, with Sunderland's Championship rivals Millwall and Blackpool - both clubs where Ballard has spent loan spells - also understood to be keen on signing him, while there has also been interest from clubs abroad. www.footballinsider247.com/leeds-united-cresswell-sources/Millwall are in advanced talks to sign Leeds United defender Charlie Cresswell, Football Insider can exclusively reveal. A Leeds source has told Football Insider that talks with Millwall over a season-long loan deal are at an “advanced” stage Millwall doing some scarily shrewd business this summer after finishing 9th last season. They really could be dark horses for the top 6 this season and become a shining example of what Rowett can do on a budget and a proper recruitment process, instead of a blank fucking cheque and Jon Coates saying yes to anything. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 28, 2022 17:38:38 GMT
I remember him being great in The Carabao cup final👀 |
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Post by LphPotter on Jun 28, 2022 17:40:13 GMT
He’s a right back that plays for Man Utd. I think he was on loan at Norwich last season. He most certainly isn’t a right back,he’s the most prominently left footed left back you’re ever likely to see He’s right footed and can play both sides, think he started at right back and was moved to left back when Man United didn’t have anyone else. Played at left back for Norwich last season, surely no one would pay 10 million for him though. |
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Post by LphPotter on Jun 28, 2022 17:43:21 GMT
Has made a few mistakes when played in the cups for Man City, never played enough to really judge him though. Think that’s a risk to be honest. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 28, 2022 17:54:09 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 28, 2022 18:07:46 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 28, 2022 18:18:11 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 28, 2022 18:18:44 GMT
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Post by Fred Merger on Jun 28, 2022 18:47:15 GMT
Probably Mad Nath putting in a big bid😉
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 28, 2022 18:54:01 GMT
re. Gregory. You'd fancy it being one of the promoted sides, probably Wigan or Rotherham.
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Post by logdog on Jun 28, 2022 19:33:30 GMT
What makes you think this mate? When the season finished, I was of the same mind as you. However, the more I hear, the more I think we can’t due to the big black FFP cloud hanging over our heads. I get the impression we are hanging on by a thread financially. That's not quite right. In terms of financial backing we are in a way better place than most clubs in the league. The issue is our spending under FFP is constrained by our income and expenditure - not by the financial clout of the owners. This means we can't just drop money (which the owners have) on transfers and wages. Given we have to pay wages and better players demand better wages if we have to choose between wages and transfer fees we will be better off paying better wages. In effect transfer fees will have to be self financing - any fees we pay out will have to be balanced by incoming fees for players we sell. Thing is we haven't got many saleable assets and those we have (like Campbell and Souttar) we would rather keep. The chances of us paying out much in transfer fees is pretty low so there's no point expecting our season is going to be defined by our transfer expenditure - it's going to be defined by what we can get out of loans and freebies. You misunderstand me. Our backers are swimming in cash. They ‘threw money at it’ when we came down. Now it appears it doesn’t matter how wealthy they are, we have to balance the books FFP wise. All the noises coming out of the club make me wonder if we are struggling to do this. I hope I’m wrong, the next few weeks will provide the answers. |
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Post by hardcastle on Jun 28, 2022 20:56:24 GMT
All championship clubs have to meet FFP. Leaving aside the articial financial support given to the recently relegated clubs we DO have an advantage over the other clubs in this league in so far as the Coates family are happy to 'overspend' by an average of £13 million p.a. (as allowed by FFP) over our annual income. Most other clubs can't do this.
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 28, 2022 21:00:13 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 28, 2022 21:00:39 GMT
Will leave a gap for Bursik to fill  |
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 28, 2022 23:16:50 GMT
It might be that staying in compliance with FFP is far tougher than some may assume?
I'm certain that it's complex when looking at corporate books vs. these set of rules. You've got the neighborhood bully, COVID lurking around and threatening to screw things up even further.
Then some blithering fool at Man United buys some player for uber-millions, in one stroke introducing "inflation" that filters down through all of football. The agents all start snorting coke at the wrong time... Then we do the ultimate, buy a West Brom reject or some Super Eagle that either doesn't pan out totally, or just doesn't deliver the expected success.
Multiply that over 4 or 5 players and presto! Welcome to Stoke!
So far, the club seems to be rising to the challenge on the FFP front, given what they've created for themselves to clean up.
It's just the action on the pitch that impersonates "The Benny Hill Show" at times.
This league has had to get out the Cat O'Nine Tails on what, 2,3 clubs pretty much every year? Doesn't sound easy to stay in "compliance" to me.
Smack down points-reductions, (And if your not Derby) completely wind you up and sayonara in months.
Yes, clubs do stupid things to get into these predicaments [Insert a F**K YOU ROWETT!! here] (Nod to 'Duck)
It's almost a certainty that, due to the lack of information on our side that things appear even further "afield."
But I too believe that the next few weeks will give us a better idea of where we are currently in regards to Financial Foul Play.
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 29, 2022 6:28:02 GMT
It might be that staying in compliance with FFP is far tougher than some may assume? I'm certain that it's complex when looking at corporate books vs. these set of rules. You've got the neighborhood bully, COVID lurking around and threatening to screw things up even further. Then some blithering fool at Man United buys some player for uber-millions, in one stroke introducing "inflation" that filters down through all of football. The agents all start snorting coke at the wrong time... Then we do the ultimate, buy a West Brom reject or some Super Eagle that either doesn't pan out totally, or just doesn't deliver the expected success. Multiply that over 4 or 5 players and presto! Welcome to Stoke! So far, the club seems to be rising to the challenge on the FFP front, given what they've created for themselves to clean up. It's just the action on the pitch that impersonates "The Benny Hill Show" at times. This league has had to get out the Cat O'Nine Tails on what, 2,3 clubs pretty much every year? Doesn't sound easy to stay in "compliance" to me. Smack down points-reductions, (And if your not Derby) completely wind you up and sayonara in months. Yes, clubs do stupid things to get into these predicaments [Insert a F**K YOU ROWETT!! here] (Nod to 'Duck) It's almost a certainty that, due to the lack of information on our side that things appear even further "afield." But I too believe that the next few weeks will give us a better idea of where we are currently in regards to Financial Foul Play. Sounds like you're trying have a pop there youth! Rowett is a complete and utter C##T, Ww wouldn't be in the mess we were in if it wasn't for that Tw@t and you know it!!!!! |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 29, 2022 7:41:12 GMT
That's not quite right. In terms of financial backing we are in a way better place than most clubs in the league. The issue is our spending under FFP is constrained by our income and expenditure - not by the financial clout of the owners. This means we can't just drop money (which the owners have) on transfers and wages. Given we have to pay wages and better players demand better wages if we have to choose between wages and transfer fees we will be better off paying better wages. In effect transfer fees will have to be self financing - any fees we pay out will have to be balanced by incoming fees for players we sell. Thing is we haven't got many saleable assets and those we have (like Campbell and Souttar) we would rather keep. The chances of us paying out much in transfer fees is pretty low so there's no point expecting our season is going to be defined by our transfer expenditure - it's going to be defined by what we can get out of loans and freebies. You misunderstand me. Our backers are swimming in cash. They ‘threw money at it’ when we came down. Now it appears it doesn’t matter how wealthy they are, we have to balance the books FFP wise. All the noises coming out of the club make me wonder if we are struggling to do this. I hope I’m wrong, the next few weeks will provide the answers. Apologies if I've misunderstood you and yes you are right - we are struggling with FFP and this will be reflected in our transfer business. Some people seem to think because the owners are loaded we are going to see some decent outlays on players this summer which is only going to happen if we sell first. |
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Post by logdog on Jun 29, 2022 8:47:48 GMT
You misunderstand me. Our backers are swimming in cash. They ‘threw money at it’ when we came down. Now it appears it doesn’t matter how wealthy they are, we have to balance the books FFP wise. All the noises coming out of the club make me wonder if we are struggling to do this. I hope I’m wrong, the next few weeks will provide the answers. Apologies if I've misunderstood you and yes you are right - we are struggling with FFP and this will be reflected in our transfer business. Some people seem to think because the owners are loaded we are going to see some decent outlays on players this summer which is only going to happen if we sell first. No need to apologise! You’re right there, doesn’t matter how rich the Coates family are, we can’t spend a penny until the FFP books are balanced. The dealings so far and MON’s comments point to us still being some way from this. However, I think he keeps his cards close to his chest. Last January we weren’t doing any business and a week later we had plenty of signings. As you say, the next few weeks will show exactly where we are at. |
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Post by neddy on Jun 29, 2022 8:56:36 GMT
I think the transfer window doesn’t close until sept 1st? So we may have played about 8 games by then…… a long way to go really?
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Post by lordb on Jun 29, 2022 9:07:00 GMT
I think the transfer window doesn’t close until sept 1st? So we may have played about 8 games by then…… a long way to go really? same for every club though stupid system window should shut before season starts or better still fuck the transfer window off all together |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 29, 2022 9:13:21 GMT
You misunderstand me. Our backers are swimming in cash. They ‘threw money at it’ when we came down. Now it appears it doesn’t matter how wealthy they are, we have to balance the books FFP wise. All the noises coming out of the club make me wonder if we are struggling to do this. I hope I’m wrong, the next few weeks will provide the answers. Apologies if I've misunderstood you and yes you are right - we are struggling with FFP and this will be reflected in our transfer business. Some people seem to think because the owners are loaded we are going to see some decent outlays on players this summer which is only going to happen if we sell first. Qualified by the words "decent outlays" which is vague. Of course we're restrained by FFP but there's nobody on here that knows whether we're restrained to the point we'll not be paying any fees at all or have any room for a net spend just several people trying to make out they know more than they do but covering their arse with vague statements to argue over when they're proved wrong. |
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Post by thevoid on Jun 29, 2022 9:23:42 GMT
Where are they getting their money from? |
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Post by LGH87 on Jun 29, 2022 9:24:42 GMT
Could really do with a decent link or two couldnt we.
Last week the excitement was starting to build somewhat and now this week it all feels a bit bleak.
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 29, 2022 9:26:16 GMT
Where are they getting their money from? You can only assume they have been thrifty over the last few years and built up some FFP headroom, compared to us who have been trying to hack away at a deficit to avoid sanctions and as such have very little. Frustrating but something we have to live with. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 29, 2022 9:30:11 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 29, 2022 9:33:28 GMT
Scared of Aden Flint. Says it all really. |
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Post by independent on Jun 29, 2022 9:36:04 GMT
Apologies if I've misunderstood you and yes you are right - we are struggling with FFP and this will be reflected in our transfer business. Some people seem to think because the owners are loaded we are going to see some decent outlays on players this summer which is only going to happen if we sell first. No need to apologise! You’re right there, doesn’t matter how rich the Coates family are, we can’t spend a penny until the FFP books are balanced. The dealings so far and MON’s comments point to us still being some way from this. However, I think he keeps his cards close to his chest. Last January we weren’t doing any business and a week later we had plenty of signings. As you say, the next few weeks will show exactly where we are at. True. But the transfers were achieved by juggling one out and one in. It looks like the same this season. We can only hope that some posters here are correct and we may be able to spend some money next June. Other clubs are also broke, so we may be able to do some swaps now that we have some players on lower wages. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 29, 2022 9:36:32 GMT
Scared of Aden Flint. Says it all really. Surprised he's so bullish about signings it just makes him look more of a twat when he's trying to get rid of them after 5 mins. |
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