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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 23, 2022 20:15:34 GMT
Bursik Bonham
Duhaney
Tymon FoxWilmot Souttar Forrester Taylor Jagielka Baker Clucas TOB Thompson DWP Powell Vrancic Campbell BrownLooks like the only decisions we'll have are: Brown (a no-brainer to take the option to extend if his contract really does expire this summer) Thompson (almost certainly will take option to extend) Powell (almost certainly will take extra year) Vrancic (more interesting, but odds are that we will?) Jagielka (could go either way, odds in favour of extra 12 months) And wouldn't be shocked to see Clucas and Fox go as they enter their final year. Clucas will probably be on a more manageable, moveable contract than he was and is clearly not wanted. No idea what the plan is for TOB and he'll be on low wages anyway Must be close to zero chance of Smith, Fletcher and Chester staying? Quite a small squad when all the out of contract and loan players are taken out. MON might try and sign Sawyers? Plus Etebo and Adobe back, even if just to get another loan sorted! Did Bonham sign for more than a year? www.stokecityfc.com/news/2021/july/In-Profile-Jack-Bonham/2 yrs for Bonham by the looks of it. Yeah, I'd be amazed if either Afobe or Etebo played one second for us. Hopefully the worst we'll do with Afobe is sending him to Rowett again. Outside chance Watford will take Etebo, but hopefully someone will as he enters his final year.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 23, 2022 20:18:52 GMT
I reckon he'll let Vrancic go with the aim of signing Sawyers permanently. Doughty should be back in contention, would like to see him on the left of a front 3. Yeah - forgot Doughty! West Brom have got an option on Sawyers, haven't they? But to trigger it, they'd presumably have to carry on paying him what they currently are, which will be excessive. So odds against, and - yeah can see MON going for him on a free although he's been a mixed bag to say the least. Bruce didn't seem to rule it out though. There's always the chance Vrancic's contract automatically gets an extra year if he plays a certain number of games (which he will have done?) I've been disappointed with Sawyers, he's not fitted in as well as I'd hoped and not sure we can carry a player like him if we're to play 4 at the back. I'd be up for Vrancic having another year, he's good cover for Powell. Really hope Doughty gets a chance to settle on the left, he's very direct with pace, reminds me a bit of Etherington.
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Post by printer1234 on Mar 23, 2022 20:30:49 GMT
Joe Allen could be a good manager
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 23, 2022 20:50:19 GMT
Yeah - forgot Doughty! West Brom have got an option on Sawyers, haven't they? But to trigger it, they'd presumably have to carry on paying him what they currently are, which will be excessive. So odds against, and - yeah can see MON going for him on a free although he's been a mixed bag to say the least. Bruce didn't seem to rule it out though. There's always the chance Vrancic's contract automatically gets an extra year if he plays a certain number of games (which he will have done?) I've been disappointed with Sawyers, he's not fitted in as well as I'd hoped and not sure we can carry a player like him if we're to play 4 at the back. I'd be up for Vrancic having another year, he's good cover for Powell. Really hope Doughty gets a chance to settle on the left, he's very direct with pace, reminds me a bit of Etherington. Really, Etherington? Don’t see that at all. Etherington went to the line and had a great cross, Alfie has neither skill.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 23, 2022 21:03:45 GMT
We’ve saved our worst performances for when he hasn’t played , this is very bad news when combined with our awful record in the market and therefore his likely replacement it’s actually registered with an old friend as a development if interest 👍
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 23, 2022 21:11:38 GMT
Yeah - forgot Doughty! West Brom have got an option on Sawyers, haven't they? But to trigger it, they'd presumably have to carry on paying him what they currently are, which will be excessive. So odds against, and - yeah can see MON going for him on a free although he's been a mixed bag to say the least. Bruce didn't seem to rule it out though. There's always the chance Vrancic's contract automatically gets an extra year if he plays a certain number of games (which he will have done?) I've been disappointed with Sawyers, he's not fitted in as well as I'd hoped and not sure we can carry a player like him if we're to play 4 at the back. I'd be up for Vrancic having another year, he's good cover for Powell. Really hope Doughty gets a chance to settle on the left, he's very direct with pace, reminds me a bit of Etherington. I think Sawyers has been unlucky getting played out of position so often, with a run in his preferred I think he could have done much better. Edit: Was it ever said why Doughty went on loan? Seemed strange for us to do that then bring someone else in his position.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 23, 2022 21:21:30 GMT
I've been disappointed with Sawyers, he's not fitted in as well as I'd hoped and not sure we can carry a player like him if we're to play 4 at the back. I'd be up for Vrancic having another year, he's good cover for Powell. Really hope Doughty gets a chance to settle on the left, he's very direct with pace, reminds me a bit of Etherington. Really, Etherington? Don’t see that at all. Etherington went to the line and had a great cross, Alfie has neither skill. I meant more as a ball carrier, like Etherington, where he's always available for the ball and runs like a fucker with it and allows for the quick counter attack.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 23, 2022 21:25:01 GMT
He's saved his best season until the last. He's a likeable character but history will tell us that it just didn't work well for both parties.
I think he could have done better and I think we could have too!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 23, 2022 21:27:18 GMT
I've been disappointed with Sawyers, he's not fitted in as well as I'd hoped and not sure we can carry a player like him if we're to play 4 at the back. I'd be up for Vrancic having another year, he's good cover for Powell. Really hope Doughty gets a chance to settle on the left, he's very direct with pace, reminds me a bit of Etherington. I think Sawyers has been unlucky getting played out of position so often, with a run in his preferred I think he could have done much better. Edit: Was it ever said why Doughty went on loan? Seemed strange for us to do that then bring someone else in his position. Think he was sent out to get regular game time as with JPB arriving and Tymon doing ok wasn't going to get any here.
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Post by nonameface on Mar 24, 2022 7:56:05 GMT
He's saved his best season until the last. He's a likeable character but history will tell us that it just didn't work well for both parties. I think he could have done better and I think we could have too! Scary thought to think hes offered his best season this year. To me it's his worst, he offers no protection to the backline as hes too short to win headers and too slow to get near to someone to tackle them in a timely manner. On top of that he offers nothing in an attacking sense. He's got worse as he's aged with us in the championship. 0G, 1A in 33 21/22 0G 2A in 18 20/21 4G 2A in 35 19/20 6G 3A in 43 18/19 Compare that to Baker who in 14 games has scored 7 and got 2 assists. He's probably also won countless more tackles.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 24, 2022 8:14:07 GMT
If the implication is he's going to Swansea, he certainly isn't going for the money. But not sure there would be big money available to him, at 32, coming off his spell here. I did wonder whether there may be something in MLS or a similar league.
There was always a small chance of another year here, given the way MON eulogises about him, depending on how he saw it.
Can't blame him for wanting a change of scenery after years of unrelenting misery here, and a clean break suits us too.
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Post by lordb on Mar 24, 2022 8:26:32 GMT
I've been disappointed with Sawyers, he's not fitted in as well as I'd hoped and not sure we can carry a player like him if we're to play 4 at the back. I'd be up for Vrancic having another year, he's good cover for Powell. Really hope Doughty gets a chance to settle on the left, he's very direct with pace, reminds me a bit of Etherington. Really, Etherington? Don’t see that at all. Etherington went to the line and had a great cross, Alfie has neither skill. He most definitely does Obviously not as good
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Post by lordb on Mar 24, 2022 8:27:10 GMT
I've been disappointed with Sawyers, he's not fitted in as well as I'd hoped and not sure we can carry a player like him if we're to play 4 at the back. I'd be up for Vrancic having another year, he's good cover for Powell. Really hope Doughty gets a chance to settle on the left, he's very direct with pace, reminds me a bit of Etherington. I think Sawyers has been unlucky getting played out of position so often, with a run in his preferred I think he could have done much better. Edit: Was it ever said why Doughty went on loan? Seemed strange for us to do that then bring someone else in his position. Not settled
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 24, 2022 8:50:43 GMT
He's saved his best season until the last. He's a likeable character but history will tell us that it just didn't work well for both parties. I think he could have done better and I think we could have too! Scary thought to think hes offered his best season this year. To me it's his worst, he offers no protection to the backline as hes too short to win headers and too slow to get near to someone to tackle them in a timely manner. On top of that he offers nothing in an attacking sense. He's got worse as he's aged with us in the championship. 0G, 1A in 33 21/22 0G 2A in 18 20/21 4G 2A in 35 19/20 6G 3A in 43 18/19 Compare that to Baker who in 14 games has scored 7 and got 2 assists. He's probably also won countless more tackles. Allen is 7th overall in the league for recoveries (12.51 per 1000 opposition touches), 3rd overall in the league for interceptions (3.24 per game), and 3rd overall in the league for tackles won (2.19 per game)............
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Post by Veritas on Mar 24, 2022 9:23:56 GMT
Scary thought to think hes offered his best season this year. To me it's his worst, he offers no protection to the backline as hes too short to win headers and too slow to get near to someone to tackle them in a timely manner. On top of that he offers nothing in an attacking sense. He's got worse as he's aged with us in the championship. 0G, 1A in 33 21/22 0G 2A in 18 20/21 4G 2A in 35 19/20 6G 3A in 43 18/19 Compare that to Baker who in 14 games has scored 7 and got 2 assists. He's probably also won countless more tackles. Allen is 7th overall in the league for recoveries (12.51 per 1000 opposition touches), 3rd overall in the league for interceptions (3.24 per game), and 3rd overall in the league for tackles won (2.19 per game)............ There you go again cluttering threads with pointless stuff like facts!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2022 10:10:24 GMT
Scary thought to think hes offered his best season this year. To me it's his worst, he offers no protection to the backline as hes too short to win headers and too slow to get near to someone to tackle them in a timely manner. On top of that he offers nothing in an attacking sense. He's got worse as he's aged with us in the championship. 0G, 1A in 33 21/22 0G 2A in 18 20/21 4G 2A in 35 19/20 6G 3A in 43 18/19 Compare that to Baker who in 14 games has scored 7 and got 2 assists. He's probably also won countless more tackles. Allen is 7th overall in the league for recoveries (12.51 per 1000 opposition touches), 3rd overall in the league for interceptions (3.24 per game), and 3rd overall in the league for tackles won (2.19 per game)............ Surprised he’s not top for tackles as is second touch always is one.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 24, 2022 10:40:15 GMT
Allen is 7th overall in the league for recoveries (12.51 per 1000 opposition touches), 3rd overall in the league for interceptions (3.24 per game), and 3rd overall in the league for tackles won (2.19 per game)............ Surprised he’s not top for tackles as is second touch always is one. Stats eh?
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 14, 2022 13:12:21 GMT
Maybe another little steer that he's off?
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 14, 2022 13:18:24 GMT
Allen or MON?😉
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Post by iamstokie on Apr 14, 2022 13:27:24 GMT
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 14, 2022 13:42:01 GMT
He's going to have to take a drastic cut to stay here. Otherwise he probably has chickens to get set up/cared for in Wales. He'll go with my best wishes.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 14, 2022 17:28:38 GMT
Maybe another little steer that he's off? I think it's common knowledge he's moving back nearer to home.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 14, 2022 17:54:32 GMT
Maybe another little steer that he's off? I think it's common knowledge he's moving back nearer to home. Yeah, that seems to be the consensus. And given how out of the way south west Wales is, if he's moving to that bit of the country, it certainly would seem to be Swansea pretty much in a field of one. Even Bristol is a bit of a jaunt and he's not going to Cardiff.
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 14, 2022 18:14:05 GMT
Strange that MON says I have enjoyed working with this group, surely he would say,. I am enjoying working with this group?..
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 14, 2022 18:21:38 GMT
Strange that MON says I have enjoyed working with this group, surely he would say,. I am enjoying working with this group?.. Wishful thinking I'm afraid. He's talking about next season when the group will be different.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 14, 2022 18:21:41 GMT
Strange that MON says I have enjoyed working with this group, surely he would say,. I am enjoying working with this group?.. We can hope.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 14, 2022 18:23:19 GMT
Strange that MON says I have enjoyed working with this group, surely he would say,. I am enjoying working with this group?.. We can hope. Maybe the ST sales have done the trick again lol.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 14, 2022 18:58:01 GMT
Allen will be a huge loss you’ve only to look at performances at home withiut him and we certainly won’t be recruiting better
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 14, 2022 19:00:25 GMT
Allen will be a huge loss you’ve only to look at performances at home withiut him and we certainly won’t be recruiting better I mean we already did.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2022 19:09:34 GMT
Allen will be a huge loss you’ve only to look at performances at home withiut him and we certainly won’t be recruiting better I mean we already did. Who?
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