|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 25, 2022 13:50:50 GMT
The months of begging worked. Top work from his agents. Good for him homelife should always come first. Employment is just a method of funding it. I agree. Just wish people were ok with it when it’s Ince doing it
|
|
|
Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 25, 2022 13:53:03 GMT
Good for him homelife should always come first. Employment is just a method of funding it. I agree. Just wish people were ok with it when it’s Ince doing it Ince? He’s wank😉
|
|
|
Post by peterthornesboots on Jun 25, 2022 14:26:18 GMT
It is probably best for both parties that we part ways with Joe Allen at this point.
Our midfield needs new blood and we need to keep bringing down the wage bill. On the flip side, I think that Joe will probably benefit from a fresh start.
Bearing in mind some of the (extremely poor) players that I have seen pull on a Stoke shirt in the last 20+ years, I'll never quite get the vitriol aimed at Joe by some posters on here.
Good luck to him (apart from when he plays against us!).
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Jun 25, 2022 16:34:12 GMT
Isn't the sign of a good player leaving fans being distraught?
|
|
|
Post by xchpotter on Jun 25, 2022 16:43:27 GMT
Isn't the sign of a good player leaving fans being distraught? Yeh it is. Also an angry fan reaction is another sign of a good player, e.g Arnie. I don’t have any animosity towards Allen. He’s a footballer and if Stoke were willing to pay that money then fair enough. He put effort in, but I’m just not sure we really saw what he does for Wales consistently for us. Whether that’s down to managers or systems who knows. This does mark the last connection to the relegation lot doesn’t it so let’s wait and see what happens. Wouldn’t it be funny if we had a great season and turned things around….Joe Allen could then be the curse we took so long to break 😂😂
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Jun 25, 2022 16:49:58 GMT
|
|
|
Post by lordb on Jun 25, 2022 18:14:33 GMT
Isn't the sign of a good player leaving fans being distraught? Yeh it is. Also an angry fan reaction is another sign of a good player, e.g Arnie. I don’t have any animosity towards Allen. He’s a footballer and if Stoke were willing to pay that money then fair enough. He put effort in, but I’m just not sure we really saw what he does for Wales consistently for us. Whether that’s down to managers or systems who knows. This does mark the last connection to the relegation lot doesn’t it so let’s wait and see what happens. Wouldn’t it be funny if we had a great season and turned things around….Joe Allen could then be the curse we took so long to break 😂😂 Nearly the last Tymon and Campbell played that season too and Souttar was on the books
|
|
|
Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 25, 2022 19:25:39 GMT
Really glad to have Joe off the wage bill. His negatives - he was earning £57k per week, he can't pass further than 6 yards, can't shoot, zero strength, can't win headers, gives daft free kicks away. His positives - doesn't let his poor form affect his attitude, always gives his all, good stamina, wants the ball, tackles and hassles the other team. It isn't a lot for £57k a week is it really? Good professional who has had some decent spells of form. The club seems to have had a bit of a jinx over the last 6 years though which coincides with his entire time here. All the best to Joe but let's hope turn a corner now too. Can’t win headers! You’re having a laugh, for a lad his size he was brilliant at winning headers.
|
|
|
Post by questionable on Jun 25, 2022 19:34:49 GMT
Baker comes into the midfield and is a stand out player, can’t ever remember Allen being a stand out player.
Enough said IMO.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 20:05:36 GMT
Baker comes into the midfield and is a stand out player, can’t ever remember Allen being a stand out player. Enough said IMO. Can't remember Allen being nothing more than a lost cause over these last six seasons. And those who say "but he works hard", please fuck off and save your drivel for someone else.
|
|
|
Post by maine on Jun 25, 2022 20:40:30 GMT
To 'Questionable'. Baker is FAR from a 'standout' player. He's OK.
|
|
|
Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 25, 2022 20:48:46 GMT
To 'Questionable'. Baker is FAR from a 'standout' player. He's OK. He's had more good games in 6 months than Allen had in 6 years.
|
|
|
Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 25, 2022 20:59:09 GMT
To 'Questionable'. Baker is FAR from a 'standout' player. He's OK. He's had more good games in 6 months than Allen had in 6 years. six years….don’t be silly I wonder if Bakers emergence was partly due to JA’s influence and support? Of course some of those sitting in the stands would know better than me, I’m just asking the question
|
|
|
Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 25, 2022 21:06:05 GMT
He's had more good games in 6 months than Allen had in 6 years. six years….don’t be silly I wonder if Bakers emergence was partly due to JA’s influence and support? Of course some of those sitting in the stands would know better than me, I’m just asking the question Each to their own Allen has been a disaster at Stoke for me. I’m not asking a question I’m expressing an opinion I know there are lots that agree but also lots that disagree. Thankfully the debate should now be over.
|
|
|
Post by lordb on Jun 25, 2022 21:21:34 GMT
Imho Baker and Allen were a good fit Baker's one bad game was when Allen wasn't playing and he was asked to 'hold' Allen was much more positonally disciplined with Baker playing They trusted each other it was obvious.
However Laurent looks a good fit, lots of energy which Baker, and Powell, will need to allow them to get forward Happy if Sawyers signs but not if he's played behind those two as that didn't work at all Thompson Baker Powell might work too but he doesn't bring the running Laurent will
|
|
|
Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 25, 2022 22:07:22 GMT
Imho Baker and Allen were a good fit Baker's one bad game was when Allen wasn't playing and he was asked to 'hold' Allen was much more positonally disciplined with Baker playing They trusted each other it was obvious. However Laurent looks a good fit, lots of energy which Baker, and Powell, will need to allow them to get forward Happy if Sawyers signs but not if he's played behind those two as that didn't work at all Thompson Baker Powell might work too but he doesn't bring the running Laurent will I’ve never seen Laurent to form/express an opinion. Perhaps I’m being unfair in my current thinking but signing a free agent from a team that finished below us with a V poor goals against tally doesn’t fill me with optimism. Hopefully I’m completely wrong, time will tell. Neither Sawyers (if signed) nor Thompson will be our anchors for progress. Another 12 months wasted if we are reliant on either.
|
|
|
Post by lordb on Jun 25, 2022 22:27:22 GMT
Imho Baker and Allen were a good fit Baker's one bad game was when Allen wasn't playing and he was asked to 'hold' Allen was much more positonally disciplined with Baker playing They trusted each other it was obvious. However Laurent looks a good fit, lots of energy which Baker, and Powell, will need to allow them to get forward Happy if Sawyers signs but not if he's played behind those two as that didn't work at all Thompson Baker Powell might work too but he doesn't bring the running Laurent will I’ve never seen Laurent to form/express an opinion. Perhaps I’m being unfair in my current thinking but signing a free agent from a team that finished below us with a V poor goals against tally doesn’t fill me with optimism. Hopefully I’m completely wrong, time will tell. Neither Sawyers (if signed) nor Thompson will be our anchors for progress. Another 12 months wasted if we are reliant on either. Reading wanted to keep Laurent, he chose us, that's a good sign as is the uniform positive feedback from Reading fans about him Plus he'd made an impression for Shrewsbury v Liverpool before All good however we don't really know how he's going to be as you say time will tell but looks like a good signing on paper I think Sawyers will be used when Powell isn't playing generally
|
|
|
Post by torgaustokie on Jun 25, 2022 22:29:12 GMT
Joe Allen reads the game very well once Baker came into the side what a difference he made to Joes game not having to cover for his missing midfield partners ie Clueless etc would have really liked to see more of a Allen and Baker midfield, totally understand Joe wanting to go home which i think is his preferred option I lived in South Wales for nearly 10 years great place to live Joe came from Newcastle Emlyn which is a small market town in the middle of nowhere ! All the best Joe
|
|
|
Post by a on Jun 26, 2022 15:26:50 GMT
If Allen really was such a pivotal player in our downfall then we’ll now see an instant improvement, if we don’t, then we’ll see some on here were wrong.
|
|
|
Post by nottsover60 on Jun 26, 2022 15:40:55 GMT
To 'Questionable'. Baker is FAR from a 'standout' player. He's OK. He's had more good games in 6 months than Allen had in 6 years. I thought he faded a bit too much near the end of the season to be considered a standout player. Let's see what he's like this season without Allen before getting carried away. It may be that Baker struggles without Allen not just that Allen looked better with Baker.
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 26, 2022 15:41:07 GMT
If Allen really was such a pivotal player in our downfall then we’ll now see an instant improvement, if we don’t, then we’ll see some on here were wrong. I don’t know about an improvement but the sky somehow didn’t fall in when he was injured and we were arguably better without him than with him that season.
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 26, 2022 15:42:00 GMT
He's had more good games in 6 months than Allen had in 6 years. six years….don’t be silly I wonder if Bakers emergence was partly due to JA’s influence and support? Of course some of those sitting in the stands would know better than me, I’m just asking the question It was the other way round, Baker’s arrival finally teased some consistency out of Allen.
|
|
|
Post by nottsover60 on Jun 26, 2022 15:43:47 GMT
six years….don’t be silly I wonder if Bakers emergence was partly due to JA’s influence and support? Of course some of those sitting in the stands would know better than me, I’m just asking the question It was the other way round, Baker’s arrival finally teased some consistency out of Allen. Because he no longer felt the need to run around doing his partner's job.
|
|
|
Post by a on Jun 26, 2022 15:44:48 GMT
If Allen really was such a pivotal player in our downfall then we’ll now see an instant improvement, if we don’t, then we’ll see some on here were wrong. I don’t know about an improvement but the sky somehow didn’t fall in when he was injured and we were arguably better without him than with him that season. Oh I know but the way he has been blamed for our poor results must mean we’ll see the opposite now 😉
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 26, 2022 15:53:52 GMT
It was the other way round, Baker’s arrival finally teased some consistency out of Allen. Because he no longer felt the need to run around doing his partner's job. Again, that he did is on him, that’s his failing. Him doing that made things worse. It’s brainless.
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Jun 26, 2022 17:59:44 GMT
Really glad to have Joe off the wage bill. His negatives - he was earning £57k per week, he can't pass further than 6 yards, can't shoot, zero strength, can't win headers, gives daft free kicks away. His positives - doesn't let his poor form affect his attitude, always gives his all, good stamina, wants the ball, tackles and hassles the other team. It isn't a lot for £57k a week is it really? Good professional who has had some decent spells of form. The club seems to have had a bit of a jinx over the last 6 years though which coincides with his entire time here. All the best to Joe but let's hope turn a corner now too. Why you hung up about what he earns?
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Jun 26, 2022 18:30:09 GMT
Respect for what? What is there to respect? Respect for.taking a PL wage from.our club but when offered a championship wage because we need cut costs he fucks off? Yeah let's respect him 😂 What is it with Stoke fans and being obsessed with what their own players earn? Absolute embarrassing post.
|
|
|
Post by iglugluk on Jun 26, 2022 19:07:36 GMT
If his wages were as large as it appears they were, then his decision to snub the contract extension should free us up to make some additions. Could be he's finally come good in respect of offering material assistance to the club. (wave)
|
|
|
Post by philb on Jun 26, 2022 19:45:43 GMT
Respect for.taking a PL wage from.our club but when offered a championship wage because we need cut costs he fucks off? Yeah let's respect him 😂 What is it with Stoke fans and being obsessed with what their own players earn? Absolute embarrassing post. It’s just another stick to beat a player they clearly don’t like with 🙄
|
|
|
Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 26, 2022 21:01:22 GMT
Respect for.taking a PL wage from.our club but when offered a championship wage because we need cut costs he fucks off? Yeah let's respect him 😂 What is it with Stoke fans and being obsessed with what their own players earn? Absolute embarrassing post. This ⬆️
|
|