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Post by silverdollar on Jun 24, 2022 15:36:53 GMT
If you are trying to correlate those statistics with your reasoning it becomes it is much clearer why I regard you as an idiot.I've said enough. They're facts. And in that time we've been shit, we haven't had a midfield. The one constant throughout that whole period of being shit is a certain J.Allen. So I am right. You don't know what correlate means!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 24, 2022 15:39:31 GMT
They're facts. And in that time we've been shit, we haven't had a midfield. The one constant throughout that whole period of being shit is a certain J.Allen. So I am right. You don't know what correlate means! I do. Us being shit has a lot to do with not having a midfield in those 6 years. It's not a coincidence all of that happened since Allen arrived.
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Post by thebet365 on Jun 24, 2022 15:43:26 GMT
When we lost Joe for 9 months our record without him was W13 D8 L8 - Hardly relegation fodder without him were we ? Not just joe though is it we need a significant roles replacing and hes a consistent lost at a pivotal moment Of course we need a couple of significant roles replacing, most notably up top, but you've chose Allen's departure to start spouting your annual relegation woes. There sure is 1 consistent with Joe Allen, and that's been decline in both results and performances ever since he signed. We've never really seen the Joe Allen that plays for Wales, it just hasn't worked out for him here and him not signing certainly isn't the straw that broke the camels back that you're trying to elude to with your reptile friend.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jun 24, 2022 16:56:14 GMT
It's laughable that Bayern and Co put Allen in the same bracket as Wimmer, Imbula and Berahino. He is, if not worse due to the long term detriment he’s caused to this team. Least favourite Stoke player of all time, I can’t stand him and thank fuck he’s finally gone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 17:01:02 GMT
I feel slightly sad. I'm definitely not in the camp that believes the common denominator of our last 6 years of woes is Joe Allen (quite frankly I think it's bonkers that people suggest it) but ultimately, it's been a regretful and difficult period for the club and I'm sure Joe Allen himself might have some regrets when he looks back at his peak years; wondering just how differently they could've gone if he'd made a different decision at the time. If not for a plethora of awful dealings and decisions over his time here, I'm sure he could've been a useful cog in a well oiled machine.
Interestingly, his farewell message reads as quite terse to me; especially when addressing the supporters. I can understand it because it's not been an easy relationship for the player or the supporters (ear cupping incident springs to mind) and it feels right for everyone that he moves on. I don't think the supporters/Joe Allen ever really saw the best of each other during the last 6 years. There's no hard feelings from me personally; I still maintain that, had we assembled a team full of players with his attitude then we wouldn't have struggled so much during his time. But it's just a regretful saga that didn't work out. These things happen and I don't think Joe Allen/the supporters deserve any burden of blame. It just wasn't meant to be.
All the best Joe.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 24, 2022 17:12:36 GMT
It's laughable that Bayern and Co put Allen in the same bracket as Wimmer, Imbula and Berahino. He is, if not worse due to the long term detriment he’s caused to this team. Least favourite Stoke player of all time, I can’t stand him and thank fuck he’s finally gone. He’s not in the same bracket. He cost less and at least was committed to the club. I didn’t like Allen, but the signings mentioned above have done far more damage to us.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 17:29:56 GMT
He is, if not worse due to the long term detriment he’s caused to this team. Least favourite Stoke player of all time, I can’t stand him and thank fuck he’s finally gone. He’s not in the same bracket. He cost less and at least was committed to the club. I didn’t like Allen, but the signings mentioned above have done far more damage to us. The level of hate he gets from a certain few posters is simple minded at best, and probably closer to batshit crazy in reality.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jun 24, 2022 17:35:54 GMT
One of the greatest days in the clubs modern history.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 24, 2022 17:42:54 GMT
Not too sad to see him go really,🤔
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Post by worcsstokie15 on Jun 24, 2022 17:45:24 GMT
It's laughable that Bayern and Co put Allen in the same bracket as Wimmer, Imbula and Berahino. He is, if not worse due to the long term detriment he’s caused to this team. Least favourite Stoke player of all time, I can’t stand him and thank fuck he’s finally gone. You are a fucking moron. Perhaps the type of person that Phil Jones once referred to when referring to keyboard warriors still living at home with their mum drinking Pepsi. ‘Least favourite Stoke player of all time’. Just read that back and reflect.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jun 24, 2022 17:50:38 GMT
He is, if not worse due to the long term detriment he’s caused to this team. Least favourite Stoke player of all time, I can’t stand him and thank fuck he’s finally gone. You are a fucking moron. Perhaps the type of person that Phil Jones once referred to when referring to keyboard warriors still living at home with their mum drinking Pepsi. ‘Least favourite Stoke player of all time’. Just read that back and reflect. I have read it back, I’ve said it for years. I don’t give a fuck what you think about me.
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Post by worcsstokie15 on Jun 24, 2022 17:53:35 GMT
You are a fucking moron. Perhaps the type of person that Phil Jones once referred to when referring to keyboard warriors still living at home with their mum drinking Pepsi. ‘Least favourite Stoke player of all time’. Just read that back and reflect. I have read it back, I’ve said it for years. I don’t give a fuck what you think about me. The respect from his peers, via social media, is very clear to see and demonstrates how wrong you are.
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Post by a on Jun 24, 2022 18:05:59 GMT
‘One of’ Just behind Berahino, Wimmer, Imbula, NDiaye, Haugaard, Vokes, the list goes on I’m sure. Brek Shea, Owen, Liam Lindsay, Surridge, Doughty, Hogan, Woods, Afobe, Jese, Bony, Edu, Palacios... Allen apparently worse than these. Crackers!
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Post by a on Jun 24, 2022 18:08:16 GMT
‘One of’ Just behind Berahino, Wimmer, Imbula, NDiaye, Haugaard, Vokes, the list goes on I’m sure. Yes he deserves to be in that group, terrible signing. Completely disagree. There is a strange criticism of him. Ok so he was at the club when we went down, but that doesn’t make him the biggest culprit. We’ll see how incredible we become now he’s gone anyway. Although I suspect we’ll see a continue of our malaise.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jun 24, 2022 18:16:09 GMT
Sad how this board that should unify people of the same interest becomes so viciously divisive at times. Sometimes I wonder whether this board really does more harm than good and the use of its existence.
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Post by chad on Jun 24, 2022 18:31:43 GMT
Good Luck Joe. Always gave everything. To bad some of your teammates didn’t over the last few years
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Post by nonameface on Jun 24, 2022 18:41:14 GMT
Excellent news.
Was never the player for us as he was for Wales.
He didnt shirk responsibility, seemed committed but just wasnt athletically, technically or mentally good enough to make a positive impact.
That's a bit (marginally) over the top, but it gives us the ability to change the midfield, which we've been crying out for years.
here's hoping it can't get any worse.
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Post by a on Jun 24, 2022 18:55:25 GMT
The thing is it will save a good amount in wages, which I hope we put to good use. Slagging him off on here isn’t right. Some of our signings have been nothing but mercenaries, Allen hasn’t. Some posts are a frankly embarrassing overreaction.
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Post by jebbstuart on Jun 24, 2022 18:56:19 GMT
I wish Joe all the best in his future career. Never hid and did his best that's all you can ask for. Yes a better player at international level, you have the more time at the higher levels and more suited to his game and you play with better quality players. Its easy to be critic but not many people on message boards work within the football industry they just watch the game. Its a different concept for players, managers etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 19:03:04 GMT
This thread is embarrassing. I actually feel ashamed to call myself a Stoke fan today.
Like him or not as a player he does not deserve this.
I hope Josh Laurent doesn't read this thread. He'll be putting a transfer request in before he's played a game.
On a human level if nothing else show a little bit of respect.
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Post by Royal Donut on Jun 24, 2022 19:04:02 GMT
No matter what has happened, 6 years service to our club, and a regular starter. Any player that does this must be thanked,he frustrated me at times but gave his all if not too much at times, but thank you Joe Allen,you are a credit to yourself your family and our club.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 24, 2022 19:21:56 GMT
This thread is embarrassing. I actually feel ashamed to call myself a Stoke fan today. Like him or not as a player he does not deserve this. I hope Josh Laurent doesn't read this thread. He'll be putting a transfer request in before he's played a game. On a human level if nothing else show a little bit of respect. Respect for what? What is there to respect?
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Post by TinkerT on Jun 24, 2022 19:24:54 GMT
This thread is embarrassing. I actually feel ashamed to call myself a Stoke fan today. Like him or not as a player he does not deserve this. I hope Josh Laurent doesn't read this thread. He'll be putting a transfer request in before he's played a game. On a human level if nothing else show a little bit of respect. Respect for what? What is there to respect? Respect for.taking a PL wage from.our club but when offered a championship wage because we need cut costs he fucks off? Yeah let's respect him 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 19:27:04 GMT
This thread is embarrassing. I actually feel ashamed to call myself a Stoke fan today. Like him or not as a player he does not deserve this. I hope Josh Laurent doesn't read this thread. He'll be putting a transfer request in before he's played a game. On a human level if nothing else show a little bit of respect. Respect for what? What is there to respect? Your reply says it all really
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 24, 2022 19:35:30 GMT
Respect for what? What is there to respect? Your reply says it all really Yeah it’s a question and you’ve not provided an answer to it. He’s been earning 50k a week for 6 years. The club has gone backwards in his time here. The first chance we offer a wage in keeping with the level he’s playing at he fucks off. What is there to respect?
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Post by pushon on Jun 24, 2022 19:41:47 GMT
Your reply says it all really Yeah it’s a question and you’ve not provided an answer to it. He’s been earning 50k a week for 6 years. The club has gone backwards in his time here. The first chance we offer a wage in keeping with the level he’s playing at he fucks off. What is there to respect? Bayern, it's hard to believe that even you, can be so poisonous and deluded.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 24, 2022 19:43:40 GMT
Yeah it’s a question and you’ve not provided an answer to it. He’s been earning 50k a week for 6 years. The club has gone backwards in his time here. The first chance we offer a wage in keeping with the level he’s playing at he fucks off. What is there to respect? Bayern, it's hard to believe that even you, can be so poisonous and deluded. What is there to respect? He has done nothing of note for this club. Absolutely nothing.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jun 24, 2022 19:45:54 GMT
I feel slightly sad. I'm definitely not in the camp that believes the common denominator of our last 6 years of woes is Joe Allen (quite frankly I think it's bonkers that people suggest it) but ultimately, it's been a regretful and difficult period for the club and I'm sure Joe Allen himself might have some regrets when he looks back at his peak years; wondering just how differently they could've gone if he'd made a different decision at the time. If not for a plethora of awful dealings and decisions over his time here, I'm sure he could've been a useful cog in a well oiled machine. Interestingly, his farewell message reads as quite terse to me; especially when addressing the supporters. I can understand it because it's not been an easy relationship for the player or the supporters (ear cupping incident springs to mind) and it feels right for everyone that he moves on. I don't think the supporters/Joe Allen ever really saw the best of each other during the last 6 years. There's no hard feelings from me personally; I still maintain that, had we assembled a team full of players with his attitude then we wouldn't have struggled so much during his time. But it's just a regretful saga that didn't work out. These things happen and I don't think Joe Allen/the supporters deserve any burden of blame. It just wasn't meant to be. All the best Joe. Excellent. By a country mile that’s the best summary of Joe’s time at Stoke City that I’ve read anywhere.
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Post by Bramolini on Jun 24, 2022 19:53:17 GMT
Personally I'm relieved he's gone , not because he was particularly bad , although I think we can do better . But we need to move on from the players that were part of relegation and Joe is the last of them . We need players that have the odd bad game rather than players that have the odd good game .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 19:59:31 GMT
Your reply says it all really Yeah it’s a question and you’ve not provided an answer to it. He’s been earning 50k a week for 6 years. The club has gone backwards in his time here. The first chance we offer a wage in keeping with the level he’s playing at he fucks off. What is there to respect? What he earns has nothing to do with anything. You don't know he's left because of money. He's unlikely to earn much more elsewhere. I wouldn't imagine he feels appreciated here, would you? I said respect on a human level. Criticism is fine but comments like thank f**k he's gone, worst signing in the club's history, it's a great day for the club and many, many more are just not warranted. I will say no more on the matter.
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