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Post by masterpotter on Mar 14, 2022 8:28:50 GMT
Souttar, Powell, Baker. Talk me through the attributes that make him 'head and shoulders our best player'? Powell is a good player but he is made of glass and spends 60% of his time injured. Baker looks decent but that is because of Allen not in spite of Allen. Souttar is a different discussion really
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2022 8:30:17 GMT
Souttar, Powell, Baker. Talk me through the attributes that make him 'head and shoulders our best player'? Powell is a good player but he is made of glass and spends 60% of his time injured. Baker looks decent but that is because of Allen not in spite of Allen. Souttar is a different discussion really How is it a different discussion when you've claimed he's 'head and shoulders our best player'? In what way is Baker playing well down to Allen? It's the other way round if anything, Allen's performances have markedly improved since Baker arrived.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 8:32:20 GMT
Get rid the bloke has been an absolute Jonah for our club. Just got to break that link. Well if you are going to equate club results to the time players have been here there won’t be many players left when we have got rid of all the ‘jonahs’ . For what it’s worth things would probably have been even worse if he hadn’t spent a good few seasons doing the work of two men in the middle of the park.
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Post by potterpaul on Mar 14, 2022 8:33:38 GMT
Staggering to think anyone could've watched us for the last five years and come to the conclusion that Joe Allen is 'head and shoulders our best player'. So who is better then This season (Better) Baker Vrancic Powell Souttar Tymon Brown Wilmot (even out of position) DWP (if had the chances to prove it) This Season (His Equals) Thompson Jagielka Smith Campbell Sawyers Bursik and a couple of other loanees. This season (slightly better but not head and shoulders) Clucas Fletcher Fox Bonham Chester
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Post by masterpotter on Mar 14, 2022 8:35:00 GMT
Powell is a good player but he is made of glass and spends 60% of his time injured. Baker looks decent but that is because of Allen not in spite of Allen. Souttar is a different discussion really How is it a different discussion when you've claimed he's 'head and shoulders our best player'? In what way is Baker playing well down to Allen? It's the other way round if anything, Allen's performances have markedly improved since Baker arrived. ….and see my earlier post. He’s been doing the work of two men and now baker has provided some relief he is shining more. So apart from glass back and baker who is better
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 8:36:19 GMT
Well I’m prepared to stagger you. Might not be head and shoulders but he is certainly one of our better players and it will be a retrograde step if and when he does go. Mind you it’s not untypical of the way things are that people can watch what we’ve produced and come to conclusion that Joe Allen is the source of our problems - confused thinking everywhere seems to typify the state of play. I didn't say it was staggering if people thought Joe Allen wasn't a terrible player or wasn't the source of all our problems though did I? Watch the queue of championship clubs form if he does decide to go ! He’s rated because of the way he has performed against those sides. How many of our other players would merit that ? Not enough is the simple answer.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2022 8:38:08 GMT
How is it a different discussion when you've claimed he's 'head and shoulders our best player'? In what way is Baker playing well down to Allen? It's the other way round if anything, Allen's performances have markedly improved since Baker arrived. ….and see my earlier post. He’s been doing the work of two men and now baker has provided some relief he is shining more. So apart from glass back and baker who is better Yeah, the fact that he's 'shining more' now Baker's here suggests Baker arriving has done more for Allen's good form than vice versa, doesn't it? As said, Souttar is more important to us. Unless your argument was that he's 'head and shoulders our best midfielder', which isn't quite the same thing and which I still don't really agree with.
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Post by masterpotter on Mar 14, 2022 8:38:25 GMT
This season (Better) Baker Vrancic Powell Souttar Tymon Brown Wilmot (even out of position) DWP (if had the chances to prove it) This Season (His Equals) Thompson Jagielka Smith Campbell Sawyers Bursik and a couple of other loanees. This season (slightly better but not head and shoulders) Clucas Fletcher Fox Bonham Chester What a load of rubbish. You just want an excuse and obviously don’t have a clue about football. His equals, Campbell who is obviously unfit and I’m not convinced will ever recover. Bursik the juggler. We got rid of our best keeper. Fletcher, a good pro but really. His legs have gone.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2022 8:38:55 GMT
I didn't say it was staggering if people thought Joe Allen wasn't a terrible player or wasn't the source of all our problems though did I? Watch the queue of championship clubs form if he does decide to go ! He’s rated because of the way he has performed against those sides. How many of our other players would merit that ? Not enough is the simple answer. Yeah? How big was the queue in January? By how he's performed against which sides?
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Post by masterpotter on Mar 14, 2022 8:39:55 GMT
….and see my earlier post. He’s been doing the work of two men and now baker has provided some relief he is shining more. So apart from glass back and baker who is better Yeah, the fact that he's 'shining more' now Baker's here suggests Baker arriving has done more for Allen's good form than vice versa, doesn't it? As said, Souttar is more important to us. Unless your argument was that he's 'head and shoulders our best midfielder', which isn't quite the same thing and which I still don't really agree with. I agree Souttar is a good player but do you really think glass back has had a better season than Allen
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Post by potterpaul on Mar 14, 2022 8:40:13 GMT
I didn't say it was staggering if people thought Joe Allen wasn't a terrible player or wasn't the source of all our problems though did I? Watch the queue of championship clubs form if he does decide to go ! He’s rated because of the way he has performed against those sides. How many of our other players would merit that ? Not enough is the simple answer. Half of that queue will think they owe him gratitude for those games he played against them 😂
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2022 8:45:18 GMT
Yeah, the fact that he's 'shining more' now Baker's here suggests Baker arriving has done more for Allen's good form than vice versa, doesn't it? As said, Souttar is more important to us. Unless your argument was that he's 'head and shoulders our best midfielder', which isn't quite the same thing and which I still don't really agree with. I agree Souttar is a good player but do you really think glass back has had a better season than Allen When he's been fit, yes. Before he broke his leg his record was close to 1 in 2 and he was carrying us. Also we weren't talking about who's had the best season, weren't we talking about 'head and shoulders our best player'?
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 8:48:15 GMT
Watch the queue of championship clubs form if he does decide to go ! He’s rated because of the way he has performed against those sides. How many of our other players would merit that ? Not enough is the simple answer. Yeah? How big was the queue in January? By how he's performed against which sides? Every one of them over the years. As for Jan who says either party even were considering the possibility of a move them. I bet the club weren’t. It’s typical of things that people want simple answers to complex issues and in this case it’s ‘results bad over last few years must equal player who has been around longest’ . The possibility they may have been even worse without his efforts doesn’t equate. As far as I’m concerned calling out Joe Allen is the worse case of ‘Bayernism’ this message board has suffered for years - and there’s been a few. If he goes he can hold his head high - I wouldn’t even mind , not because I think we can and will do better, but because I think it will probably be a refreshing change for him.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 8:49:24 GMT
Watch the queue of championship clubs form if he does decide to go ! He’s rated because of the way he has performed against those sides. How many of our other players would merit that ? Not enough is the simple answer. Half of that queue will think they owe him gratitude for those games he played against them 😂 Well if that’s the way you see it in your world fine. Shame to knock a committed club player in that way even if you don’t appreciate his talent.
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Post by masterpotter on Mar 14, 2022 8:55:54 GMT
I agree Souttar is a good player but do you really think glass back has had a better season than Allen When he's been fit, yes. Before he broke his leg his record was close to 1 in 2 and he was carrying us. Also we weren't talking about who's had the best season, weren't we talking about 'head and shoulders our best player'? I still stand by he’s head and shoulders our best player. I bet you slagged glen whelan off every game by far, pound for pound, stokes best ever signing un fuckin believable some so called Stoke fans
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2022 8:56:14 GMT
If he’s that good he should be making these worse he players look better.
He doesn’t.
He’s been awful for us on the whole.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2022 8:56:53 GMT
When he's been fit, yes. Before he broke his leg his record was close to 1 in 2 and he was carrying us. Also we weren't talking about who's had the best season, weren't we talking about 'head and shoulders our best player'? I still stand by he’s head and shoulders our best player. I bet you slagged glen whelan off every game by far, pound for pound, stokes best ever signing un fuckin believable some so called Stoke fans I like Glen but our best ever signing. 😂😂😂
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Post by masterpotter on Mar 14, 2022 8:58:06 GMT
I still stand by he’s head and shoulders our best player. I bet you slagged glen whelan off every game by far, pound for pound, stokes best ever signing un fuckin believable some so called Stoke fans I like Glen but our best ever signing. 😂😂😂 I said pound for pound. Come on name a better signing
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Post by potterpaul on Mar 14, 2022 8:58:18 GMT
Half of that queue will think they owe him gratitude for those games he played against them 😂 Well if that’s the way you see it in your world fine. Shame to knock a committed club player in that way even if you don’t appreciate his talent. I'm exceptionally comfortable with my views thank you and I won't apologise for thinking he's a total waste of space. He's played the best football in the last 5 or so games and still produced shit results we simply won't miss him.
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Post by masterpotter on Mar 14, 2022 8:58:40 GMT
I still stand by he’s head and shoulders our best player. I bet you slagged glen whelan off every game by far, pound for pound, stokes best ever signing un fuckin believable some so called Stoke fans I like Glen but our best ever signing. 😂😂😂 🤡🤡🤡🤡
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 14, 2022 9:00:05 GMT
Lets take a day off to wish young Joe a happy 32d birthday.......
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 14, 2022 9:01:07 GMT
This season (Better) Baker Vrancic Powell Souttar Tymon Brown Wilmot (even out of position) DWP (if had the chances to prove it) This Season (His Equals) Thompson Jagielka Smith Campbell Sawyers Bursik and a couple of other loanees. This season (slightly better but not head and shoulders) Clucas Fletcher Fox Bonham Chester Wilmot better than Allen this season🤣🤣🤣
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Post by masterpotter on Mar 14, 2022 9:11:03 GMT
I still stand by he’s head and shoulders our best player. I bet you slagged glen whelan off every game by far, pound for pound, stokes best ever signing un fuckin believable some so called Stoke fans I like Glen but our best ever signing. 😂😂😂 Lost your tongue 🤡🤡🤡🤡
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Post by masterpotter on Mar 14, 2022 9:14:47 GMT
This season (Better) Baker Vrancic Powell Souttar Tymon Brown Wilmot (even out of position) DWP (if had the chances to prove it) This Season (His Equals) Thompson Jagielka Smith Campbell Sawyers Bursik and a couple of other loanees. This season (slightly better but not head and shoulders) Clucas Fletcher Fox Bonham Chester So DWP is better than Allen but you openly state he hasn’t had a chance to prove it. So what do you base this on. In fuckin believable post again
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 9:16:33 GMT
Well if that’s the way you see it in your world fine. Shame to knock a committed club player in that way even if you don’t appreciate his talent. I'm exceptionally comfortable with my views thank you and I won't apologise for thinking he's a total waste of space. He's played the best football in the last 5 or so games and still produced shit results we simply won't miss him. Like I say if that’s what your eyes tell you that’s ok - apologies neither expected or required. How you come to that conclusion baffles me but there we go - still might expect at least a little bit of respect for his undoubted efforts. You will never have seen the bloke quit in his efforts for the team.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2022 9:17:30 GMT
Yeah? How big was the queue in January? By how he's performed against which sides? Every one of them over the years. As for Jan who says either party even were considering the possibility of a move them. I bet the club weren’t. It’s typical of things that people want simple answers to complex issues and in this case it’s ‘results bad over last few years must equal player who has been around longest’ . The possibility they may have been even worse without his efforts doesn’t equate. As far as I’m concerned calling out Joe Allen is the worse case of ‘Bayernism’ this message board has suffered for years - and there’s been a few. If he goes he can hold his head high - I wouldn’t even mind , not because I think we can and will do better, but because I think it will probably be a refreshing change for him. Come off it, if the club had the chance to get him off the wage bill in January and he had the chance to play for a team higher up the pyramid, both would have jumped at the chance. Sorry it isn't to do at all with 'results bad, Allen has been here since then, 2+2 = 5', it's that his own performances frequently haven't been up to snuff. Midfield has been an absolute wasteland since Whelan's legs went. Allen for the most part hasn't helped that. The headless chicken act, the losing runners, the fact that you could frequently have driven a bus through our midfield, he has been a significant contributor to those issues. He's admitted himself he's had spells where he really hasn't been performing.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2022 9:18:48 GMT
When he's been fit, yes. Before he broke his leg his record was close to 1 in 2 and he was carrying us. Also we weren't talking about who's had the best season, weren't we talking about 'head and shoulders our best player'? I still stand by he’s head and shoulders our best player. I bet you slagged glen whelan off every game by far, pound for pound, stokes best ever signing un fuckin believable some so called Stoke fans So what does he do that makes him 'head and shoulders our best player'? I loved Whelan, I defended him on here from loads who gave him stick. If Allen had done the job Whelan did at his best we'd be in much better shape. Whelan wasn't our best ever signing. Fuller cost the same as he did.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 14, 2022 9:28:32 GMT
Every one of them over the years. As for Jan who says either party even were considering the possibility of a move them. I bet the club weren’t. It’s typical of things that people want simple answers to complex issues and in this case it’s ‘results bad over last few years must equal player who has been around longest’ . The possibility they may have been even worse without his efforts doesn’t equate. As far as I’m concerned calling out Joe Allen is the worse case of ‘Bayernism’ this message board has suffered for years - and there’s been a few. If he goes he can hold his head high - I wouldn’t even mind , not because I think we can and will do better, but because I think it will probably be a refreshing change for him. Come off it, if the club had the chance to get him off the wage bill in January and he had the chance to play for a team higher up the pyramid, both would have jumped at the chance. Sorry it isn't to do at all with 'results bad, Allen has been here since then, 2+2 = 5', it's that his own performances frequently haven't been up to snuff. Midfield has been an absolute wasteland since Whelan's legs went. Allen for the most part hasn't helped that. The headless chicken act, the losing runners, the fact that you could frequently have driven a bus through our midfield, he has been a significant contributor to those issues. He's admitted himself he's had spells where he really hasn't been performing. In my book his only ‘crime’ is to do his best to cover the inadequacies of those around him. Sorry I can usually see a thread of reason in most views but the belief that Allen has done anything but good things for this club just leave me shaking my head.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2022 9:54:32 GMT
Come off it, if the club had the chance to get him off the wage bill in January and he had the chance to play for a team higher up the pyramid, both would have jumped at the chance. Sorry it isn't to do at all with 'results bad, Allen has been here since then, 2+2 = 5', it's that his own performances frequently haven't been up to snuff. Midfield has been an absolute wasteland since Whelan's legs went. Allen for the most part hasn't helped that. The headless chicken act, the losing runners, the fact that you could frequently have driven a bus through our midfield, he has been a significant contributor to those issues. He's admitted himself he's had spells where he really hasn't been performing. In my book his only ‘crime’ is to do his best to cover the inadequacies of those around him. Sorry I can usually see a thread of reason in most views but the belief that Allen has done anything but good things for this club just leave me shaking my head. You disagree with his own assessments of his performances at various times when he acknowledged he wasn't performing well then? His attempts to cover the inadequacies around him have only compounded the problem. If doing that had helped us, great, but it didn't, it just created more gaps and we lost our shape. He's performed better of late with Baker here, it's just a shame we haven't seen those kind of displays more often.
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Post by masterpotter on Mar 14, 2022 9:56:50 GMT
I still stand by he’s head and shoulders our best player. I bet you slagged glen whelan off every game by far, pound for pound, stokes best ever signing un fuckin believable some so called Stoke fans So what does he do that makes him 'head and shoulders our best player'? I loved Whelan, I defended him on here from loads who gave him stick. If Allen had done the job Whelan did at his best we'd be in much better shape. Whelan wasn't our best ever signing. Fuller cost the same as he did. My Point exactly. Whilst I loved ric and still do and be happy for my wife to have his babies, he wasn’t as important to us as glen
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