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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 30, 2022 16:51:23 GMT
Hey Joe…. What you doing with that pen in your hand I'm gonna sign to shit on my old Swansea, caught them messing round with someone less bland.....
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Post by neddy on Jun 1, 2022 16:43:42 GMT
Is he injured for Wales?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 1, 2022 16:47:03 GMT
They're resting 4 or 5 of the senior players for the big game at the weekend
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2022 17:43:16 GMT
This is spot on
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Post by lordb on Jun 1, 2022 17:57:41 GMT
That is superb to be fair I like Allen but would buy one of those
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2022 17:59:33 GMT
wondered who'd be the first
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2022 18:02:24 GMT
wondered who'd be the first It made me laugh because it’s so true
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 2, 2022 8:06:19 GMT
wondered who'd be the first It made me laugh because it’s so true Some very good players for us haven’t been solely focussed on Stoke , Mike pejic being the obvious One what matters is 100% effort and focus when they train and play and no one in all his managers and fellow players have ever cast doubt on that . yiu don’t rate him as player thats clear and fair enough but choose the right stick , recent history offers plenty of bad eggs to use that particular stick on .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 2, 2022 8:17:12 GMT
It made me laugh because it’s so true Some very good players for us haven’t been solely focussed on Stoke , Mike pejic being the obvious One what matters is 100% effort and focus when they train and play and no one in all his managers and fellow players have ever cast doubt on that . yiu don’t rate him as player thats clear and fair enough but choose the right stick , recent history offers plenty of bad eggs to use that particular stick on . His effort is half of the problem with him. Too much running not enough sticking to his job.
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Post by lordb on Jun 2, 2022 8:26:20 GMT
Some very good players for us haven’t been solely focussed on Stoke , Mike pejic being the obvious One what matters is 100% effort and focus when they train and play and no one in all his managers and fellow players have ever cast doubt on that . yiu don’t rate him as player thats clear and fair enough but choose the right stick , recent history offers plenty of bad eggs to use that particular stick on . His effort is half of the problem with him. Too much running not enough sticking to his job. What struck me since Baker's arrival is that Allen has been far more positionally disciplined, far less ratting about OK he's older so bound to slow down however would suggest he's simply confident in Baker (& Powell) to let them worry about doing their work in the opposition half. Because of this his performances were much more consistent
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 2, 2022 8:27:38 GMT
His effort is half of the problem with him. Too much running not enough sticking to his job. What struck me since Baker's arrival is that Allen has been far more positionally disciplined, far less ratting about OK he's older so bound to slow down however would suggest he's simply confident in Baker (& Powell) to let them worry about doing their work in the opposition half. Because of this his performances were much more consistent He has but he’s still not that good. He’s been doing a job that someone on a third of his new wages could do.
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 2, 2022 22:22:37 GMT
What struck me since Baker's arrival is that Allen has been far more positionally disciplined, far less ratting about OK he's older so bound to slow down however would suggest he's simply confident in Baker (& Powell) to let them worry about doing their work in the opposition half. Because of this his performances were much more consistent He has but he’s still not that good. He’s been doing a job that someone on a third of his new wages could do. That's the issue. How much he costs. Thanks Joe and best wishes. I think it's time to head home.
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Post by lordb on Jun 3, 2022 8:39:35 GMT
He has but he’s still not that good. He’s been doing a job that someone on a third of his new wages could do. That's the issue. How much he costs. Thanks Joe and best wishes. I think it's time to head home. So if we pay him standard Championship money it's no longer an issue If we pay him money that could get a better player then it is an issue
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 3, 2022 8:48:46 GMT
That's the issue. How much he costs. Thanks Joe and best wishes. I think it's time to head home. So if we pay him standard Championship money it's no longer an issue If we pay him money that could get a better player then it is an issue A player with greater physical presence would improve the balance of the squad/team so yes it’s still an issue if it’s either or.
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Post by lordb on Jun 3, 2022 8:56:48 GMT
So if we pay him standard Championship money it's no longer an issue If we pay him money that could get a better player then it is an issue A player with greater physical presence would improve the balance of the squad/team so yes it’s still an issue if it’s either or. That's a different argument though If it's purely the money, as the above post stated, then that's simply resolved by not paying him too much money If you crave a bigger player then he has to be replaced Not convinced by the bigger player argument myself however it would help if we had an example of a realistic replacement to discuss my concern is you could sign a bigger player who is no good and we end up worse off Boils down to if we can sign a better player we should do that, if not we should sign Allen
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 3, 2022 9:27:44 GMT
A player with greater physical presence would improve the balance of the squad/team so yes it’s still an issue if it’s either or. That's a different argument though If it's purely the money, as the above post stated, then that's simply resolved by not paying him too much money If you crave a bigger player then he has to be replaced Not convinced by the bigger player argument myself however it would help if we had an example of a realistic replacement to discuss my concern is you could sign a bigger player who is no good and we end up worse off Boils down to if we can sign a better player we should do that, if not we should sign Allen Spot on
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 3, 2022 9:41:26 GMT
Jordan Thompson does what Allen does. We can do better easily.
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Post by pottersrule on Jun 3, 2022 9:49:01 GMT
A player with greater physical presence would improve the balance of the squad/team so yes it’s still an issue if it’s either or. That's a different argument though If it's purely the money, as the above post stated, then that's simply resolved by not paying him too much money If you crave a bigger player then he has to be replaced Not convinced by the bigger player argument myself however it would help if we had an example of a realistic replacement to discuss my concern is you could sign a bigger player who is no good and we end up worse off Boils down to if we can sign a better player we should do that, if not we should sign Allen Very sensible post,but won't have merit with a lot on here.Unfortunatley blinkers are the enemy of Sense.
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Post by potterpaul on Jun 3, 2022 9:50:16 GMT
A player with greater physical presence would improve the balance of the squad/team so yes it’s still an issue if it’s either or. That's a different argument though If it's purely the money, as the above post stated, then that's simply resolved by not paying him too much money If you crave a bigger player then he has to be replaced Not convinced by the bigger player argument myself however it would help if we had an example of a realistic replacement to discuss my concern is you could sign a bigger player who is no good and we end up worse off Boils down to if we can sign a better player we should do that, if not we should sign Allen Thompson is easily his equal but younger with scope to improve. He's already contracted. Surely we need sign someone better than Thompson rather than Allen. Thompson should be the benchmark from now on, if we want to improve?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 3, 2022 9:54:04 GMT
Jordan Thompson does what Allen does. We can do better easily. Neither have much physical presence. I just think a bigger player can ease a player off the ball or into less threatening areas with less blatant foul play but I accept that's a matter of taste. I like a DM who could easily play CB which would discount what by many are considered to be of the best DM's of any era.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 3, 2022 10:16:20 GMT
I don't care how much he costs, he's 32 and not the sort of player we need in that position.
Its better for everyone if he leaves.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 3, 2022 11:59:43 GMT
Jordan Thompson does what Allen does. We can do better easily. Neither have much physical presence. I just think a bigger player can ease a player off the ball or into less threatening areas with less blatant foul play but I accept that's a matter of taste. I like a DM who could easily play CB which would discount what by many are considered to be of the best DM's of any era. The best performance of the season wba at home had both starting
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Post by lordb on Jun 3, 2022 13:19:32 GMT
Neither have much physical presence. I just think a bigger player can ease a player off the ball or into less threatening areas with less blatant foul play but I accept that's a matter of taste. I like a DM who could easily play CB which would discount what by many are considered to be of the best DM's of any era. The best performance of the season wba at home had both starting 541 with Vrancic and Powell and with Brown up top
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 3, 2022 14:47:48 GMT
Neither have much physical presence. I just think a bigger player can ease a player off the ball or into less threatening areas with less blatant foul play but I accept that's a matter of taste. I like a DM who could easily play CB which would discount what by many are considered to be of the best DM's of any era. The best performance of the season wba at home had both starting Always an option to play two more defensive minded midfielders against better teams but when you only play one they seem to lack that physicality.
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Post by mowlee on Jun 3, 2022 15:00:17 GMT
6 years on a downward spiral an joe has played 90% of the games.. I don’t dislike joe.. seems too play better for wales but don’t we need new faces an a different direction.. surely the same players mean the same outcome
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 3, 2022 15:02:43 GMT
That's the issue. How much he costs. Thanks Joe and best wishes. I think it's time to head home. So if we pay him standard Championship money it's no longer an issue If we pay him money that could get a better player then it is an issue No disrespect to Joe, but it's time to move on period. I'm not going to get pissed if he stays, but I think we can get in someone younger and better. (Now whether or not we WILL is another issue)
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Post by mowlee on Jun 3, 2022 15:18:23 GMT
So if we pay him standard Championship money it's no longer an issue If we pay him money that could get a better player then it is an issue No disrespect to Joe, but it's time to move on period. I'm not going to get pissed if he stays, but I think we can get in someone younger and better. (Now whether or not we WILL is another issue) agree.. let’s pay 20k a week for a up an coming midfielder for years too come.. not just for a extra season
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Post by jebbstuart on Jun 3, 2022 15:24:20 GMT
We need a Glenn Whelan type midfielder and forwards with agility and speed and who can score.
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Post by lordb on Jun 3, 2022 18:01:57 GMT
No disrespect to Joe, but it's time to move on period. I'm not going to get pissed if he stays, but I think we can get in someone younger and better. (Now whether or not we WILL is another issue) agree.. let’s pay 20k a week for a up an coming midfielder for years too come.. not just for a extra season £20k? Where have you got that figure from? Stoke won't be offering Allen £20k
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 3, 2022 18:09:58 GMT
We need a Glenn Whelan type midfielder and forwards with agility and speed and who can score. “Glen Whelan type of midfielder”……using GW as an “example” you do realise he was shit according to the Oatcakes footballing experts. The same will be said about a player who defends, attacks and links play as JA does in five years time
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