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Post by kustokie on Apr 26, 2022 1:46:06 GMT
Amazing statistics. Over 200K a week on 9 players of which only 3 are starters. Most people retire earning their highest pay in their final year. However, it’s not unusual for the salaries of so-called “highly compensated employees” to peak well before they retire. He may have no choice than to take a large pay cut of 50% or more. However, he may be able to maintain the same life style IF he invested a substantial portion of his prior income. Joe Allen doesn’t strike me as a George Best who “spent half my money on fast cars, birds, and booze. The rest I squandered”. Location and work environment may be more important to him than money, especially if he’s invested his money wisely.
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Post by mamathestriker on Apr 26, 2022 5:18:54 GMT
Those figures quoted on Twitter regarding wages are absolute rubbish…they’re not accurate.
The gnashing of teeth from certain fans over on Twitter about us offering Joe a new deal is hilarious, and equally rather strange.
Baker - Allen Powell
As a midfield 3 playing 75%+ games next season gives us a real chance of top 8 on my book.
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Post by potterpaul on Apr 26, 2022 6:17:17 GMT
Those figures quoted on Twitter regarding wages are absolute rubbish…they’re not accurate. The gnashing of teeth from certain fans over on Twitter about us offering Joe a new deal is hilarious, and equally rather strange. Baker - Allen Powell As a midfield 3 playing 75%+ games next season gives us a real chance of top 8 on my book. The only thing hilarious is that people believe we will improve with another year of Joe Allen 🤣. If it happens we can only look forward to another dismal season finishing 10th to 16th. Please 🙏 Stoke make use of the opportunity to rid us of this calamity of a signing.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 26, 2022 6:31:39 GMT
Those figures quoted on Twitter regarding wages are absolute rubbish…they’re not accurate. The gnashing of teeth from certain fans over on Twitter about us offering Joe a new deal is hilarious, and equally rather strange. Baker - Allen Powell As a midfield 3 playing 75%+ games next season gives us a real chance of top 8 on my book. Wow you ambitious bastard. There will probably be another 19 clubs in the league with a real chance of finishing in the top 8. Top 2 should be our only focus, play offs is a lottery with a 75% chance of not winning. Better than not having a ticket at all but certainly a very low aspiration.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 26, 2022 6:41:47 GMT
Transfer fees + wages for 6 years = £30m Money well spent. He is only one of many. But that has nothing to do with our present situation, according to some on here. They don't seem to realise that every £1 you overpay each week is £1 you haven't got to spend elsewhere. I had hoped that MON would have some money to spend this June but it looks like he will be juggling again with swops, free transfers and very cheap players being all he can afford. What a mess. Hopefully, we will get a few bob from Burnley when they stay up. He’s been “backed to the hilt” apparently.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 26, 2022 6:44:57 GMT
He is only one of many. But that has nothing to do with our present situation, according to some on here. They don't seem to realise that every £1 you overpay each week is £1 you haven't got to spend elsewhere. I had hoped that MON would have some money to spend this June but it looks like he will be juggling again with swops, free transfers and very cheap players being all he can afford. What a mess. Hopefully, we will get a few bob from Burnley when they stay up. He’s been “backed to the hilt” apparently. Simple question which managers of non parachute clubs have been better backed?
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 26, 2022 6:57:26 GMT
He’s been “backed to the hilt” apparently. Simple question which managers of non parachute clubs have been better backed? Well if you look at the net transfer records of all clubs on transfermarkt, only Blackburn (of the non-parachute clubs) have made a higher net transfer profit than Stoke… so to answer your question, all other managers bar Mowbray.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 26, 2022 7:02:35 GMT
Simple question which managers of non parachute clubs have been better backed? Well if you look at the net transfer records of all clubs on transfermarkt, only Blackburn (of the non-parachute clubs) have made a higher net transfer profit than Stoke… so to answer your question, all other managers bar Mowbray. His budget dwarfs Mowbray’s and probably all the other non parachute clubs. That’s not just because of the legacy contracts, he’s bought players in on very decent championship wages. They’re cheaper but they’re not cheap.
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Post by lordb on Apr 26, 2022 7:27:39 GMT
He’s been “backed to the hilt” apparently. Simple question which managers of non parachute clubs have been better backed? Forest spent a few bob
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 26, 2022 7:47:02 GMT
Simple question which managers of non parachute clubs have been better backed? Forest spent a few bob No doubt like us they’re one of the non parachute clubs with the biggest budgets. Our wage bill would have been higher I’d guess but that would be skewed by our legacy contracts. Any suggestion that we are at a financial disadvantage compared to our peers is utter nonsense.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 26, 2022 8:50:28 GMT
Those figures quoted on Twitter regarding wages are absolute rubbish…they’re not accurate. The gnashing of teeth from certain fans over on Twitter about us offering Joe a new deal is hilarious, and equally rather strange. Baker - Allen Powell As a midfield 3 playing 75%+ games next season gives us a real chance of top 8 on my book. Replace Allen with someone capable and I'd agree.
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Post by sticky on Apr 26, 2022 9:36:25 GMT
I thought most were in agreement about signing/resigning older players.. it’s not like he’s Lionel fucking messi, his time here as been average at best. Time for a fresh start..Chester/Clucas/Allen they all need to go and bring in some younger players
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Post by Jimm on Apr 26, 2022 10:10:56 GMT
We've gone backwards since the day he signed. Good riddance
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 26, 2022 10:54:53 GMT
I may well be in the minority here, but I'll be glad if he re-signs!!! 👍🏼
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Post by lordb on Apr 26, 2022 11:10:20 GMT
No doubt like us they’re one of the non parachute clubs with the biggest budgets. Our wage bill would have been higher I’d guess but that would be skewed by our legacy contracts. Any suggestion that we are at a financial disadvantage compared to our peers is utter nonsense. Disadvantage? No, is anyone suggesting that? Not seen any posts along those lines However have seen lots of posts stating the manager has been massively backed which is equally silly Our wage bill must be getting closer to the division average and he's spent less than he's brought in Just don't see that the financial side is a stick to beat the manager with, quite the opposite in fact Underperforming re results and performances that's the critiscm I'm buying into
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 26, 2022 11:43:30 GMT
Allen out, Thompson in his place and sign someone else to challenge. Simple.
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Post by xchpotter on Apr 26, 2022 11:49:33 GMT
He does seem to be enjoying a bit of a renaissance with Baker by his side, but for such an experienced international it does make me wonder why he can’t influence his own performances more regardless of who he plays with. If the wages fit in with the club and he is no where near top end which should be reserved for better players, then he’s worth a go. My worry is our inability to avoid giving out daft contracts to players on the way down and then being hamstrung for years to come where we continue paying to get them off the books. This is all academic of course as Joe May not even want to stay here.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 26, 2022 13:41:55 GMT
Allen out, Thompson in his place and sign someone else to challenge. Simple. Allen is a good, albeit overpaid, Championship level player who seems to have combined well with Baker. He is substantially better than Thompson who has not yet shown much of anything, and like many players his reputation improves the less he plays. Whilst Thompson is 23 and early in his career, Allen is 32 and at the tail end of his. It remains to be seen if Thompson will improve in the next 12-24 months and be a viable replacement for Allen. Assuming Powell fully recovers for next season, which is far from certain, we are strong in mid-field but need to strengthen elsewhere. I’d give Allen a short-term contract (one or two years) and sell Clucas, Campbell and one other mid-field player, and then use the money to strengthen in other areas. Even if Souttar comes back fully recovered, we still need another center back to replace Chester and Harwood-Bellis. Jagielka has at least one more season in him and a back three of Souttar, Forrester and Jagielka would be as good as it gets in this league. However, there’s no obvious back-up except Chester who has proved he’s past his best and a luxury we can’t afford. We can build around Maja and Brown up front but Fletcher and Campbell offer nothing either as 15 minute substitutes or starters. We have not seen enough of Sima to assess his log-term potential and there’s no way of knowing how well he will recover from a serious injury. Therefore we definitely need a striker; however, decent ones don’t come cheap and may be outside our budget. We still need a right back/wing back because Smith is a weak link. A final thought: Everton and Liverpool have both spent $800 million on players in the last nine years. Their positions in the league clearly demonstrate splashing the cash doesn’t always translate into results on the pitch.
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Post by spitshaw on Apr 26, 2022 13:46:57 GMT
A final thought: Everton and Liverpool have both spent $800 million on players in the last nine years. Their positions in the league clearly demonstrate splashing the cash doesn’t always translate into results on the pitch. Proves it works 50% of the time though 😂
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 26, 2022 13:49:47 GMT
Allen out, Thompson in his place and sign someone else to challenge. Simple. Allen is a good, albeit overpaid, Championship level player who seems to have combined well with Baker. He is substantially better than Thompson who has not yet shown much of anything, and like many players his reputation improves the less he plays. Whilst Thompson is 23 and early in his career, Allen is 32 and at the tail end of his. It remains to be seen if Thompson will improve in the next 12-24 months and be a viable replacement for Allen. Assuming Powell fully recovers for next season, which is far from certain, we are strong in mid-field but need to strengthen elsewhere. I’d give Allen a short-term contract (one or two years) and sell Clucas, Campbell and one other mid-field player, and then use the money to strengthen in other areas. Even if Souttar comes back fully recovered, we still need another center back to replace Chester and Harwood-Bellis. Jagielka has at least one more season in him and a back three of Souttar, Forrester and Jagielka would be as good as it gets in this league. However, there’s no obvious back-up except Chester who has proved he’s past his best and a luxury we can’t afford. We can build around Maja and Brown up front but Fletcher and Campbell offer nothing either as 15 minute substitutes or starters. We have not seen enough of Sima to assess his log-term potential and there’s no way of knowing how well he will recover from a serious injury. Therefore we definitely need a striker; however, decent ones don’t come cheap and may be outside our budget. We still need a right back/wing back because Smith is a weak link. A final thought: Everton and Liverpool have both spent $800 million on players in the last nine years. Their positions in the league clearly demonstrate splashing the cash doesn’t always translate into results on the pitch. What does Allen do significantly better than Thompson in terms of what we need the player in that position to do, out of interest? Thompson's had a decent season for me when called on. Probably a squad player overall but he's done the kind of unflashy stopping role that was beyond the likes of Mikel (and too often pre-January, Allen) pretty effectively.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 26, 2022 14:41:33 GMT
He does seem to be enjoying a bit of a renaissance with Baker by his side, but for such an experienced international it does make me wonder why he can’t influence his own performances more regardless of who he plays with. If the wages fit in with the club and he is no where near top end which should be reserved for better players, then he’s worth a go. My worry is our inability to avoid giving out daft contracts to players on the way down and then being hamstrung for years to come where we continue paying to get them off the books. This is all academic of course as Joe May not even want to stay here. A 50% wage cut would see him still one of our best paid and the best paid of those who actually play for us. I think you could get a better DM for less wages. His influence on the ball is minimal anyhow. Just get the real thing in a bigger packet.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 26, 2022 14:42:57 GMT
There’s no way we should be paying him over 10k a week.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 26, 2022 14:49:24 GMT
There’s no way we should be paying him over 10k a week. He’s just not good enough at anything to justify it. He’s a giant in the air for his size and obviously shows great application. There ends the story.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 26, 2022 14:52:16 GMT
Allen is a good, albeit overpaid, Championship level player who seems to have combined well with Baker. He is substantially better than Thompson who has not yet shown much of anything, and like many players his reputation improves the less he plays. Whilst Thompson is 23 and early in his career, Allen is 32 and at the tail end of his. It remains to be seen if Thompson will improve in the next 12-24 months and be a viable replacement for Allen. Assuming Powell fully recovers for next season, which is far from certain, we are strong in mid-field but need to strengthen elsewhere. I’d give Allen a short-term contract (one or two years) and sell Clucas, Campbell and one other mid-field player, and then use the money to strengthen in other areas. Even if Souttar comes back fully recovered, we still need another center back to replace Chester and Harwood-Bellis. Jagielka has at least one more season in him and a back three of Souttar, Forrester and Jagielka would be as good as it gets in this league. However, there’s no obvious back-up except Chester who has proved he’s past his best and a luxury we can’t afford. We can build around Maja and Brown up front but Fletcher and Campbell offer nothing either as 15 minute substitutes or starters. We have not seen enough of Sima to assess his log-term potential and there’s no way of knowing how well he will recover from a serious injury. Therefore we definitely need a striker; however, decent ones don’t come cheap and may be outside our budget. We still need a right back/wing back because Smith is a weak link. A final thought: Everton and Liverpool have both spent $800 million on players in the last nine years. Their positions in the league clearly demonstrate splashing the cash doesn’t always translate into results on the pitch. What does Allen do significantly better than Thompson in terms of what we need the player in that position to do, out of interest? Thompson's had a decent season for me when called on. Probably a squad player overall but he's done the kind of unflashy stopping role that was beyond the likes of Mikel (and too often pre-January, Allen) pretty effectively. Thommo is a better tackler and give away less silly free kicks in dangerous areas and is willing to be disciplined. I just don’t like the managers ideas in midfield I want defined roles.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 26, 2022 14:53:07 GMT
Kustokie says we're strong in midfield? Really? Given the personnel and the fact that Clucas and Allen may well go, Sawyers is a loan player, Vrancic relatively old and Thompson the epitome of average, I don't see it. We could need three new midfielders (unlikely), but I'd settle for two 'starters', even if one is on loan. We need a sort out all over the pitch or else next season will look like this one.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 26, 2022 14:57:18 GMT
Kustokie says we're strong in midfield? Really? Given the personnel and the fact that Clucas and Allen may well go, Sawyers is a loan player, Vrancic relatively old and Thompson the epitome of average, I don't see it. We could need three new midfielders (unlikely), but I'd settle for two 'starters', even if one is on loan. We need a sort out all over the pitch or else next season will look like this one. If we go new dm Baker, Powell then make up the numbers with Thommo and other squad players we should be coming out with that dept costing us a fraction of what it has this season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 26, 2022 14:59:03 GMT
What does Allen do significantly better than Thompson in terms of what we need the player in that position to do, out of interest? Thompson's had a decent season for me when called on. Probably a squad player overall but he's done the kind of unflashy stopping role that was beyond the likes of Mikel (and too often pre-January, Allen) pretty effectively. Thommo is a better tackler and give away less silly free kicks in dangerous areas and is willing to be disciplined. I just don’t like the managers ideas in midfield I want defined roles. Agree. That fudging and overall lack of balance has been a big part of the problem and looked an accident waiting to happen even when we were getting results at the start of the season.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 26, 2022 15:46:34 GMT
Kustokie says we're strong in midfield? Really? Given the personnel and the fact that Clucas and Allen may well go, Sawyers is a loan player, Vrancic relatively old and Thompson the epitome of average, I don't see it. We could need three new midfielders (unlikely), but I'd settle for two 'starters', even if one is on loan. We need a sort out all over the pitch or else next season will look like this one. If we go new dm Baker, Powell then make up the numbers with Thommo and other squad players we should be coming out with that dept costing us a fraction of what it has this season. And when two of those first choice three are missing, it's a bit frightening! This season we've had too many midfielders in truth, but a solid four with Thommo as back up and an Under 23 would be ideal. Can we recruit better than we have?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2022 16:15:17 GMT
If ever you needed confirmation that football is fucked up.......
Sam Clucas earns £35,000 a week.
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 26, 2022 16:40:17 GMT
If ever you needed confirmation that football is fucked up....... Sam Clucas earns £35,000 a week. Around £1k per footballing minute annualised. Beautiful.
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