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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 14, 2022 10:13:14 GMT
With Souttar getting injured, was it really the best decision when we’ve lost 23 points from winning positions in latter stages of matches. Having Collins as back up could have got us up - and then FFP could go screw itself. And the club psychic should have told us this was going to happen? We had enough centre half cover for short term injuries or suspension. We can't afford to have players in case they are needed to cover a long term injury.
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Post by jokker on Mar 14, 2022 10:16:14 GMT
With Souttar getting injured, was it really the best decision when we’ve lost 23 points from winning positions in latter stages of matches. Having Collins as back up could have got us up - and then FFP could go screw itself. And the club psychic should have told us this was going to happen? We had enough centre half cover for short term injuries or suspension. We can't afford to have players in case they are needed to cover a long term injury. Which is probably why MON added four central defenders over the course of the season - because we couldn't afford them...?
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Post by teagles05 on Mar 14, 2022 10:25:07 GMT
Souttar and Collins was a potent combo. Wish both saw this season out in our defence. Totally agree, don't get the hate for Collins I've read on this thread. We'd be a million times better with him this season. Top defender who I think can go all the way
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 14, 2022 11:23:07 GMT
And the club psychic should have told us this was going to happen? We had enough centre half cover for short term injuries or suspension. We can't afford to have players in case they are needed to cover a long term injury. Which is probably why MON added four central defenders over the course of the season - because we couldn't afford them...? He added Ostigard as a cheaper option than Collins while we allowed two very good centre half prospects of our own out on loan to develop their game. Ostigard was released as he didn't work (it happens) so we brought in THB. Wilmot was brought in as a better, cheaper option than Batth who we then released in January. Souttar was injured so we brought in Jagielka short term to cover. I fail to see how we haven't benefited from the £12million. Releasing Batth and Collins and bringing in 3 centre halves probably on roughly the combined total wages that Collins and Batth were on has been a much cheaper option. Hindsight is great but we didn't know Souttar would get injured just as we don't know if Collins would also have got a long term injury had he stayed with us or if any club would have been prepared to offer £12million for him this summer. You can't have your cake and eat it. Decisions have to be made on probabilities as you see them.
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Post by shakermaker on Mar 14, 2022 12:25:42 GMT
Gives away a pen and gets a red in a crucial relegation battle match. Be lining up against him in the Championship next season. Is this the same player some on here appeared convinced would cost £50M one day?
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Post by jokker on Mar 14, 2022 12:37:45 GMT
Which is probably why MON added four central defenders over the course of the season - because we couldn't afford them...? He added Ostigard as a cheaper option than Collins while we allowed two very good centre half prospects of our own out on loan to develop their game. Ostigard was released as he didn't work (it happens) so we brought in THB. Wilmot was brought in as a better, cheaper option than Batth who we then released in January. Souttar was injured so we brought in Jagielka short term to cover. I fail to see how we haven't benefited from the £12million. Releasing Batth and Collins and bringing in 3 centre halves probably on roughly the combined total wages that Collins and Batth were on has been a much cheaper option. Hindsight is great but we didn't know Souttar would get injured just as we don't know if Collins would also have got a long term injury had he stayed with us or if any club would have been prepared to offer £12million for him this summer. You can't have your cake and eat it. Decisions have to be made on probabilities as you see them. It would have been cheaper, better, braver, more forward thinking if we had just allowed "the two very good centre half prospects of our own" to grow within the team. One has come back but can't get in to the team to show his progress because his path is blocked by those four signings, not that any of them have done consistently well, and it shows in our results table.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 14, 2022 14:10:01 GMT
He added Ostigard as a cheaper option than Collins while we allowed two very good centre half prospects of our own out on loan to develop their game. Ostigard was released as he didn't work (it happens) so we brought in THB. Wilmot was brought in as a better, cheaper option than Batth who we then released in January. Souttar was injured so we brought in Jagielka short term to cover. I fail to see how we haven't benefited from the £12million. Releasing Batth and Collins and bringing in 3 centre halves probably on roughly the combined total wages that Collins and Batth were on has been a much cheaper option. Hindsight is great but we didn't know Souttar would get injured just as we don't know if Collins would also have got a long term injury had he stayed with us or if any club would have been prepared to offer £12million for him this summer. You can't have your cake and eat it. Decisions have to be made on probabilities as you see them. It would have been cheaper, better, braver, more forward thinking if we had just allowed "the two very good centre half prospects of our own" to grow within the team. One has come back but can't get in to the team to show his progress because his path is blocked by those four signings, not that any of them have done consistently well, and it shows in our results table. No he hasn't played any football since before Xmas when he picked up a long term ankle injury (same as pre season but other ankle) so it's a good job we didn't rely on him breaking through - I think he's played less matches than Powell this season. I don't think he's even back playing for the U23 team yet so your post is nonsense.
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 14, 2022 14:17:19 GMT
We will lose both games to Burnley 100%. We don't even resemble a team at present. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, this has got to be the most stupid post I've seen in a long time.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 14, 2022 14:20:30 GMT
Souttar and Collins was a potent combo. Wish both saw this season out in our defence. Totally agree, don't get the hate for Collins I've read on this thread. We'd be a million times better with him this season. Top defender who I think can go all the way I wouldn’t be surprised at all if (all being level i.e. injuries) that Collins has a more successful career than Souttar. A different style of defender
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 14, 2022 14:24:00 GMT
We will lose both games to Burnley 100%. We don't even resemble a team at present. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, this has got to be the most stupid post I've seen in a long time. I've seen posts suggesting our team is great, that we will be fine, that Campbell is worth 20m+ and that wilmott is a good football player... So no, it really isn't.
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 14, 2022 14:25:08 GMT
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, this has got to be the most stupid post I've seen in a long time. I've seen posts suggesting our team is great, that we will be fine, that Campbell is worth 20m+ and that wilmott is a good football player... So no, it really isn't. Yes, it really is. In addition how do you know what I've seen on the Oatcake?
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 14, 2022 14:27:03 GMT
I've seen posts suggesting our team is great, that we will be fine, that Campbell is worth 20m+ and that wilmott is a good football player... So no, it really isn't. Yes, it really is. In addition how do you know what I've seen on the Oatcake? It's hardly a popular forum these days. If you read one post and suggested it is the most ridiculous post you've seen in a long time, you really haven't read many threads. Although I see it posting on all threads soi doubt it is that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2022 14:28:05 GMT
We will lose both games to Burnley 100%. We don't even resemble a team at present. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, this has got to be the most stupid post I've seen in a long time. Agree And I've read some of mine back
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Post by teagles05 on Mar 14, 2022 15:29:53 GMT
Totally agree, don't get the hate for Collins I've read on this thread. We'd be a million times better with him this season. Top defender who I think can go all the way I wouldn’t be surprised at all if (all being level i.e. injuries) that Collins has a more successful career than Souttar. A different style of defender Yeh very much so, both very good players but I don't know, I always watched Collins and thought he could play for any of the big boys and be comfortable in time
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2022 16:05:29 GMT
Gives away a pen and gets a red in a crucial relegation battle match. Be lining up against him in the Championship next season. Is this the same player some on here appeared convinced would cost £50M one day? Never quite got that then used a completely different player going for big money to say...told you so. Wouldn't look too much into the red card, will be a good player for sure
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Post by jokker on Mar 14, 2022 16:42:49 GMT
It would have been cheaper, better, braver, more forward thinking if we had just allowed "the two very good centre half prospects of our own" to grow within the team. One has come back but can't get in to the team to show his progress because his path is blocked by those four signings, not that any of them have done consistently well, and it shows in our results table. No he hasn't played any football since before Xmas when he picked up a long term ankle injury (same as pre season but other ankle) so it's a good job we didn't rely on him breaking through - I think he's played less matches than Powell this season. I don't think he's even back playing for the U23 team yet so your post is nonsense. You're nonsense yourself. Start following the u23s, before you solemnly declare he hasn't played for them, when in fact he has. As for seeing in August that he would pick up an injury in December as evidence we should not rely on him, well maybe you're psychic or maybe you're just idiotic.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 14, 2022 17:18:13 GMT
No he hasn't played any football since before Xmas when he picked up a long term ankle injury (same as pre season but other ankle) so it's a good job we didn't rely on him breaking through - I think he's played less matches than Powell this season. I don't think he's even back playing for the U23 team yet so your post is nonsense. You're nonsense yourself. Start following the u23s, before you solemnly declare he hasn't played for them, when in fact he has. As for seeing in August that he would pick up an injury in December as evidence we should not rely on him, well maybe you're psychic or maybe you're just idiotic. You haven't understood. The initial post I responded to said we shouldn't have sold Collins because Souttar got injured. Someone then responded (may have been you) that we shouldn't have brought Jagielka and THB in because they blocked Forrester's opportunity to play. I will admit I got his appearances for the U23 wrong - he has played 3 times for them since Christmas but I am right in saying he is coming back from a long term injury and so would not have been ready to play in January. If we hadn't brought in THB and Jagielka that would have left us with 2 fit centre halves - Wilmot and Chester. Are you seriously saying that would have been good enough? I think if he plays well in the u23s he has every chance of playing between now and the end of the season which is why MON blocked his loan extension back to Mansfield. First though he must show he's playing well in the U23 team.
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Post by jokker on Mar 14, 2022 18:30:47 GMT
You're nonsense yourself. Start following the u23s, before you solemnly declare he hasn't played for them, when in fact he has. As for seeing in August that he would pick up an injury in December as evidence we should not rely on him, well maybe you're psychic or maybe you're just idiotic. You haven't understood. The initial post I responded to said we shouldn't have sold Collins because Souttar got injured. Someone then responded (may have been you) that we shouldn't have brought Jagielka and THB in because they blocked Forrester's opportunity to play. I will admit I got his appearances for the U23 wrong - he has played 3 times for them since Christmas but I am right in saying he is coming back from a long term injury and so would not have been ready to play in January. If we hadn't brought in THB and Jagielka that would have left us with 2 fit centre halves - Wilmot and Chester. Are you seriously saying that would have been good enough? I think if he plays well in the u23s he has every chance of playing between now and the end of the season which is why MON blocked his loan extension back to Mansfield. First though he must show he's playing well in the U23 team. You still wouldn't have been able to predict in August that he would get injured, once, twice, maybe more, had he stayed under our own wings. I'll frankly be very surprised - but also pleasantly surprised - if MON does play Will before the end of the season, because to do so, he would have to replace players that MON signed himself, which might indicate that those players aren't that good and that signing them were wrong. So he will rather play Chester or THB or even the currently not so favourite Wilmot, not to mention Jagielka whose last ever game may be for us, so the manager is not going to drop him. So even if fully fit, Forrester is still only fifth choice. Had he stayed here, he would at least have had games, and would be second or third choice. I expect he will be sold for a nominal fee in the summer, because when MON reviews the players at his disposal he will see, Will Forrester, 21 years old, 1 game in total; must leave.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 14, 2022 18:44:17 GMT
You haven't understood. The initial post I responded to said we shouldn't have sold Collins because Souttar got injured. Someone then responded (may have been you) that we shouldn't have brought Jagielka and THB in because they blocked Forrester's opportunity to play. I will admit I got his appearances for the U23 wrong - he has played 3 times for them since Christmas but I am right in saying he is coming back from a long term injury and so would not have been ready to play in January. If we hadn't brought in THB and Jagielka that would have left us with 2 fit centre halves - Wilmot and Chester. Are you seriously saying that would have been good enough? I think if he plays well in the u23s he has every chance of playing between now and the end of the season which is why MON blocked his loan extension back to Mansfield. First though he must show he's playing well in the U23 team. You still wouldn't have been able to predict in August that he would get injured, once, twice, maybe more, had he stayed under our own wings. I'll frankly be very surprised - but also pleasantly surprised - if MON does play Will before the end of the season, because to do so, he would have to replace players that MON signed himself, which might indicate that those players aren't that good and that signing them were wrong. So he will rather play Chester or THB or even the currently not so favourite Wilmot, not to mention Jagielka whose last ever game may be for us, so the manager is not going to drop him. So even if fully fit, Forrester is still only fifth choice. Had he stayed here, he would at least have had games, and would be second or third choice. I expect he will be sold for a nominal fee in the summer, because when MON reviews the players at his disposal he will see, Will Forrester, 21 years old, 1 game in total; must leave. MON was the manager who gave him that game and he has not been available since that impressive debut albeit in an end of season meaningless match so I don't think he will be as callous as you suggest especially as he is contracted for another year. I also think he will get games because MON seems to have lost patience with Wilmot and even THB recently. Your first sentence is exactly how I started off this conversation as someone said we shouldn't have sold Collins because Souttar was going to get injured which seems weird logic. However Forrester picked up his first injury (a broken ankle I believe) while at Stoke in pre season so was not going to be available for the first 3 months of the season when sent out on loan. It says a lot about his potential that Mansfield wanted to take him on loan knowing about his injury situation. Had he not been so unlucky as to pick up another ankle injury it would have been an excellent loan, giving him games once recovered to get himself match fit to come back to Stoke in January and fight for a place in the first team squad. As you say things don't always go to plan and Stoke couldn't risk not bringing in another centre half ahead of him.
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Post by jokker on Mar 14, 2022 18:54:41 GMT
You still wouldn't have been able to predict in August that he would get injured, once, twice, maybe more, had he stayed under our own wings. I'll frankly be very surprised - but also pleasantly surprised - if MON does play Will before the end of the season, because to do so, he would have to replace players that MON signed himself, which might indicate that those players aren't that good and that signing them were wrong. So he will rather play Chester or THB or even the currently not so favourite Wilmot, not to mention Jagielka whose last ever game may be for us, so the manager is not going to drop him. So even if fully fit, Forrester is still only fifth choice. Had he stayed here, he would at least have had games, and would be second or third choice. I expect he will be sold for a nominal fee in the summer, because when MON reviews the players at his disposal he will see, Will Forrester, 21 years old, 1 game in total; must leave. MON was the manager who gave him that game and he has not been available since that impressive debut albeit in an end of season meaningless match so I don't think he will be as callous as you suggest especially as he is contracted for another year. Your first sentence is exactly how I started off this conversation as someone said we shouldn't have sold Collins because Souttar was going to get injured which seems weird logic. However Forrester picked up his first injury (a broken ankle I believe) while at Stoke in pre season so was not going to be available for the first 3 months of the season when sent out on loan. It says a lot about his potential that Mansfield wanted to take him on loan knowing about his injury situation. Had he not been so unlucky as to pick up another ankle injury it would have been an excellent loan, giving him games once recovered to get himself match fit to come back to Stoke in January. As you say things don't always go to plan. MON picked Forrester, not because he thought he was a great prospect, but because he had no other choice as all other cds were either injured or suspended. Had just one of them been fit, Will would likely have sat out on the bench the whole game. Will was MotM, so further appearences seemed logical. It doesn't say much for his potential that Stoke were willing to let him go to lowly Mansfield instead of nursing him back to fitness ourselves. His games should be here. In addition to being a fine defender, he's also a great captain, and like Collins and Souttar weren't afraid to lead on the pitch despite being younger. Most of our senior players have limited leadership qualities, some can't even "lead" themselves.
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Post by stormin on Mar 14, 2022 20:05:06 GMT
With Souttar getting injured, was it really the best decision when we’ve lost 23 points from winning positions in latter stages of matches. Having Collins as back up could have got us up - and then FFP could go screw itself. And the club psychic should have told us this was going to happen? We had enough centre half cover for short term injuries or suspension. We can't afford to have players in case they are needed to cover a long term injury. As a key component to a promotion year Souttar should not been allowed to go and play for the equivalent of Newcastle Town.
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Post by pavel on Mar 14, 2022 21:35:05 GMT
Probably the best defensive prospect I’ve seen come out Stoke since Allen Dodd, he has it all and could go all the way, but Burnley was a move he didn’t need at this particular time of his career.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 15, 2022 17:00:31 GMT
He added Ostigard as a cheaper option than Collins while we allowed two very good centre half prospects of our own out on loan to develop their game. Ostigard was released as he didn't work (it happens) so we brought in THB. Wilmot was brought in as a better, cheaper option than Batth who we then released in January. Souttar was injured so we brought in Jagielka short term to cover. I fail to see how we haven't benefited from the £12million. Releasing Batth and Collins and bringing in 3 centre halves probably on roughly the combined total wages that Collins and Batth were on has been a much cheaper option. Hindsight is great but we didn't know Souttar would get injured just as we don't know if Collins would also have got a long term injury had he stayed with us or if any club would have been prepared to offer £12million for him this summer. You can't have your cake and eat it. Decisions have to be made on probabilities as you see them. It would have been cheaper, better, braver, more forward thinking if we had just allowed "the two very good centre half prospects of our own" to grow within the team. One has come back but can't get in to the team to show his progress because his path is blocked by those four signings, not that any of them have done consistently well, and it shows in our results table. I hope that you have noticed that despite your misgivings Forrester, along with. Tom Sparrow are travelling to Cardiff tomorrow and MON has said he wants to give young players like them some game time to integrate them with the first team. The signings were made in an effort to push for the playoffs. Now I suspect we will see a lot less of the players who won't be here next year. Good management if so.
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Post by jokker on Mar 16, 2022 12:53:14 GMT
It would have been cheaper, better, braver, more forward thinking if we had just allowed "the two very good centre half prospects of our own" to grow within the team. One has come back but can't get in to the team to show his progress because his path is blocked by those four signings, not that any of them have done consistently well, and it shows in our results table. I hope that you have noticed that despite your misgivings Forrester, along with. Tom Sparrow are travelling to Cardiff tomorrow and MON has said he wants to give young players like them some game time to integrate them with the first team. The signings were made in an effort to push for the playoffs. Now I suspect we will see a lot less of the players who won't be here next year. Good management if so. He's been saying these things for so long now and done nothing whatsoever. They were both brought along to sample the matchday excperience in the second half of last season, but they didn't even get a minute of football. If they both play the last 10 games each - provided they do well enough, and not necessarily 90 mins - I will hold my tongue, and of course I'll be happy for the lads. However I don't think the second part of what you say is going to happen. When MON signed the loanees he promised Gerrard, Pep, and whoever else it was, that he would develop the young loanees himself at this club. But if he dumps them now from the team, then no doubt the loan managers at Villa and Citeh will notice and by telling the main managers that could ensure that in future we won't be able to borrow players from those clubs. So they will probably stay in the team. And do we really believe that Jagielka signed on at Stoke to be sitting on the bench in his last 10 games?
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 16, 2022 13:43:44 GMT
I hope that you have noticed that despite your misgivings Forrester, along with. Tom Sparrow are travelling to Cardiff tomorrow and MON has said he wants to give young players like them some game time to integrate them with the first team. The signings were made in an effort to push for the playoffs. Now I suspect we will see a lot less of the players who won't be here next year. Good management if so. He's been saying these things for so long now and done nothing whatsoever. They were both brought along to sample the matchday excperience in the second half of last season, but they didn't even get a minute of football. If they both play the last 10 games each - provided they do well enough, and not necessarily 90 mins - I will hold my tongue, and of course I'll be happy for the lads. However I don't think the second part of what you say is going to happen. When MON signed the loanees he promised Gerrard, Pep, and whoever else it was, that he would develop the young loanees himself at this club. But if he dumps them now from the team, then no doubt the loan managers at Villa and Citeh will notice and by telling the main managers that could ensure that in future we won't be able to borrow players from those clubs. So they will probably stay in the team. And do we really believe that Jagielka signed on at Stoke to be sitting on the bench in his last 10 games? I am thinking of seeing less of players like Fletcher, Smith, Allen (Thompson instead), Chester, possibly Jagielka but you have to consider how much he is coaching the young players alongside him. I think we should accept playing young loanees because 1 we might be able to get them next year and 2 we want to keep a good relationship with Man City, Villa and the likes. I don't think Bidace, for all his exciting runs has fit in to the team particularly well through no fault of his own, just that bossing it at U23 level is totally different from playing against seasoned pros who will take you out if you take them to the cleaners. He is not getting the protection he should from referees and I think it's been a bit of an eye-opener for him. He would probably do better in the Premier League. I am sure that Jagielka is enough of a pro to know when he's not playing well enough he'll be dropped.
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Post by jokker on Mar 16, 2022 16:05:02 GMT
He's been saying these things for so long now and done nothing whatsoever. They were both brought along to sample the matchday excperience in the second half of last season, but they didn't even get a minute of football. If they both play the last 10 games each - provided they do well enough, and not necessarily 90 mins - I will hold my tongue, and of course I'll be happy for the lads. However I don't think the second part of what you say is going to happen. When MON signed the loanees he promised Gerrard, Pep, and whoever else it was, that he would develop the young loanees himself at this club. But if he dumps them now from the team, then no doubt the loan managers at Villa and Citeh will notice and by telling the main managers that could ensure that in future we won't be able to borrow players from those clubs. So they will probably stay in the team. And do we really believe that Jagielka signed on at Stoke to be sitting on the bench in his last 10 games? I am thinking of seeing less of players like Fletcher, Smith, Allen (Thompson instead), Chester, possibly Jagielka but you have to consider how much he is coaching the young players alongside him. I think we should accept playing young loanees because 1 we might be able to get them next year and 2 we want to keep a good relationship with Man City, Villa and the likes. I don't think Bidace, for all his exciting runs has fit in to the team particularly well through no fault of his own, just that bossing it at U23 level is totally different from playing against seasoned pros who will take you out if you take them to the cleaners. He is not getting the protection he should from referees and I think it's been a bit of an eye-opener for him. He would probably do better in the Premier League. I am sure that Jagielka is enough of a pro to know when he's not playing well enough he'll be dropped. I reckon Jags is playing well, although sometimes he sinks with the rest of the boat. You, as well others on this mb, may be taking some things for granted that are not. Smith, Fletcher, Allen, and Chester's contracts are up but they could be extended by one year if a suitable wage packet structure can be agreed upon. O'Neill value each of those players highly, Jags too, and he'd be loath to let them leave, especially as he would have to go out and find new older players to build the team around, as he is unlikely to structure the entire team around players who are in the early 20s. It's a problem he to some extent has brought upon himself. If he'd started playing Forrester more before Collins left, and the kid could have stayed fit, he might have had 20-25 games behind him. Same thing with Sparrow, Jones et al.
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Post by biddulphchav on Mar 16, 2022 19:02:58 GMT
You haven't understood. The initial post I responded to said we shouldn't have sold Collins because Souttar got injured. Someone then responded (may have been you) that we shouldn't have brought Jagielka and THB in because they blocked Forrester's opportunity to play. I will admit I got his appearances for the U23 wrong - he has played 3 times for them since Christmas but I am right in saying he is coming back from a long term injury and so would not have been ready to play in January. If we hadn't brought in THB and Jagielka that would have left us with 2 fit centre halves - Wilmot and Chester. Are you seriously saying that would have been good enough? I think if he plays well in the u23s he has every chance of playing between now and the end of the season which is why MON blocked his loan extension back to Mansfield. First though he must show he's playing well in the U23 team. You still wouldn't have been able to predict in August that he would get injured, once, twice, maybe more, had he stayed under our own wings. I'll frankly be very surprised - but also pleasantly surprised - if MON does play Will before the end of the season, because to do so, he would have to replace players that MON signed himself, which might indicate that those players aren't that good and that signing them were wrong. So he will rather play Chester or THB or even the currently not so favourite Wilmot, not to mention Jagielka whose last ever game may be for us, so the manager is not going to drop him. So even if fully fit, Forrester is still only fifth choice. Had he stayed here, he would at least have had games, and would be second or third choice. I expect he will be sold for a nominal fee in the summer, because when MON reviews the players at his disposal he will see, Will Forrester, 21 years old, 1 game in total; must leave. So if he doesn’t play it’s because MON doesn’t want to lose face by admitting his signings haven’t worked out? That has got to be one of the most crazy ideas I’ve heard suggested of a modern day manager. Honestly, do you believe that if MON thinks it will benefit the team (and potentially save his job by way of improved results), he won’t put Forrester in the team? If he did believe he was the best choice and didn’t do it, it could only be because he wants the sack, surely. I haven’t seen anything since MON came to the club to suggest he’d do anything differently. He played McClean inspite of what a twat he was, because at the time he was the best option, what do you think has changed?
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Post by jokker on Mar 16, 2022 19:10:42 GMT
You still wouldn't have been able to predict in August that he would get injured, once, twice, maybe more, had he stayed under our own wings. I'll frankly be very surprised - but also pleasantly surprised - if MON does play Will before the end of the season, because to do so, he would have to replace players that MON signed himself, which might indicate that those players aren't that good and that signing them were wrong. So he will rather play Chester or THB or even the currently not so favourite Wilmot, not to mention Jagielka whose last ever game may be for us, so the manager is not going to drop him. So even if fully fit, Forrester is still only fifth choice. Had he stayed here, he would at least have had games, and would be second or third choice. I expect he will be sold for a nominal fee in the summer, because when MON reviews the players at his disposal he will see, Will Forrester, 21 years old, 1 game in total; must leave. So if he doesn’t play it’s because MON doesn’t want to lose face by admitting his signings haven’t worked out? That has got to be one of the most crazy ideas I’ve heard suggested of a modern day manager. Honestly, do you believe that if MON thinks it will benefit the team (and potentially save his job by way of improved results), he won’t put Forrester in the team? If he did believe he was the best choice and didn’t do it, it could only be because he wants the sack, surely. I haven’t seen anything since MON came to the club to suggest he’d do anything differently. He played McClean inspite of what a twat he was, because at the time he was the best option, what do you think has changed? I have never suggested he was first choice, nor should he be, yet. I would have liked him to have continued in the first team squad on the basis of his matchwinning perfprmance, but the manager thought he should be first choice for L2 Mansfield...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 22, 2022 13:55:09 GMT
One for the stats lovers:
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 22, 2022 13:57:36 GMT
One for the stats lovers: Such a shame we couldn't hang on to him. My mate a Burnley fan said he was excellent for them last night.
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