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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 6, 2022 14:37:10 GMT
Brown shouldn’t be playing over Campbell.
Campbell is one of the best right sided forwards in the league.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Mar 6, 2022 15:03:01 GMT
Brown shouldn’t be playing over Campbell. Campbell is one of the best right sided forwards in the league. *on his day. When it isn’t his day Brown offers more.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 6, 2022 15:06:49 GMT
Relying on Brown as a first pick will see us go nowhere.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Mar 6, 2022 15:13:42 GMT
Relying on Brown as a first pick will see us go nowhere. Yesterday we were crying out for Brown’s industry, nobody else was at it. Not saying he’s the answer, but he offers more than our other options if they’re not firing.
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Post by canadianmoose on Mar 6, 2022 15:14:57 GMT
I have no idea what the hell MON's starting formation was supposed to achieve yesterday- I've never seen such a tactical clusterfuck. He seems to have now entered the twilight zone with his gameplan: baffled at how his side couldn't play 5-3-2 without Souttar spreading the play from the back, he tried 4-2-3-1 but became spooked by the guys who'd been his wing-backs not being the best full-backs and trying to shoehorn a centre-back in at RB instead (We've been there before haven't we?) He also has the problem of too many lightweight, lazy gits in his side who can't or won't roll their sleeves up. The problem is now he's not doing one thing or the other- he's trying to defend and be solid but with a team of fannies. The best way out of this, for me, is to stick with 4-2-3-1 but forget trying to pass it out- just play the damn thing long and get in the opposition's faces. The team I'd go with until the end of the season: Bursik (I think he's poor to be honest, but no worse than Bonham and could get better) Smith (he's not a great RB but far better there than Wilmot) Wilmot (he's our player so should get the nod over THB) Jageilka (I'd consider giving him a new contract as cover next season) Tymon (I don't like him at FB, but would stick Fox in as soon as he starts struggling) Allen (He's the only midfielder who can defend, but God we need a proper tackler in this place) Baker (Needs someone alongside him with a bit of bite) Brown (Actually moves, unlike Campbell) Powell (been shite recently but can do the physical stuff) JPB (Not our player, but we need a bit of flair up there) Fletcher (Only player who can hold the ball up) For me, that side would pick up a few decent results between now and the end of the season. MON needs to sort his thinking out other wise he's toast. The muddle starts and ends with recruitment i'm afraid. The manager we are told has studied nearly 15 years worth of stats on the Championship yet has come to the conclusion you don't need physicality in the team, but players that dominate the ball. I'm simply staggered. I'd argue the toss that I, along with many of us, have studied the Championship with my/our own eyes over a similar length of time (albeit at different time periods given we were in the PL for so long) and have come to a very different conclusion. Young, fit, athletic players with physicality with experience spread amongst them is absolutely the way to go at this level. Yes, the football splits the wheat from the chaff but that is the same in any division, however at this 'arsehole' of a level you absolutely have to win the battle to earn the right to play your football and it's ALWAYS been the case. Absolutely ALWAYS.
We are short of a top class goalkeeper, a strong centre half to complement a fully fit Souttar, a strong physical midfielder and a big strong target man. Buying those players doesn't mean you should settle for Pulisball, Wimbledon style crazy gang long ball or John Beck's 'Quality street' football. It means you have a chance to get and keep your footballers in the game for longer. Forget formations and concentrate on the processes that underpin it because from where i'm sitting they are absolutely miles off.
Agreed. We do nothing well. Not sure how we are supposed to be a possession team. We can’t pass the ball accurately over 5 yards most of the time. We can’t even do a throw in without giving the ball away. We aren’t strong enough. Nobody puts a foot in with any conviction. The amount of times I see two Stoke players attempt to tackle and the opposition player still manages to shrug it off and come away with the ball. We aren’t fast enough - physically or mentally. We play slow, easy to read football with next to zero penetration. Players want an age on the ball to do anything with it. If the opposition play any kind of pressing game we are screwed. This team has not been trained or conditioned properly for the battle in this division. That lies with the manager and the coaching staff. He has us set up as a “nice” side that will play our way out only we aren’t good enough. On the flip side, we aren’t strong enough to battle our way out. The result is a nothing team that manages to be lower mid table. It’s not really a surprise.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 15:15:54 GMT
I don't get the anti Powell stuff in some quarters. He's had a tough time and working his way back. We're lucky to have him and a vital player for us. Less of the negative waves. If he was to leave for say a Champ rival would be a disaster. Why does there have to be a hate figure for some on here?
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 6, 2022 15:48:17 GMT
Brown shouldn’t be playing over Campbell. Campbell is one of the best right sided forwards in the league. On what he was showing pre-injury, I'd agree with you. On what he's shown this season I don't think he'd get into a League One starting XI.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 6, 2022 15:59:04 GMT
Brown shouldn’t be playing over Campbell. Campbell is one of the best right sided forwards in the league. *on his day. When it isn’t his day Brown offers more. Brown never offers more.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 6, 2022 15:59:29 GMT
Brown shouldn’t be playing over Campbell. Campbell is one of the best right sided forwards in the league. On what he was showing pre-injury, I'd agree with you. On what he's shown this season I don't think he'd get into a League One starting XI. That’s just hysterical nonsense.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 6, 2022 16:01:20 GMT
I don't get the anti Powell stuff in some quarters. He's had a tough time and working his way back. We're lucky to have him and a vital player for us. Less of the negative waves. If he was to leave for say a Champ rival would be a disaster. Why does there have to be a hate figure for some on here? I think he’d get a move to a PL club as is tbh. Some of the stuff written about him is laughable. The same with Campbell although it’s a tad more justified with how long he hasn’t hit form since coming back. But even then it’s ott.
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Post by tosh on Mar 6, 2022 16:08:48 GMT
*on his day. When it isn’t his day Brown offers more. Brown never offers more. That’s silly nonsense. Without being a great player, in Stokes current squad, his work rate and effort make him near essential. Campbell has shown very little so far since his comeback.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Mar 6, 2022 16:17:16 GMT
Bursik Wilmot Jagielka THB Smith Allen Baker Tymon Powell Maja Campbell
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Bursik Smith Wilmot Jagielka Tymon Allen Baker Powell Campbell Maja DWP
Bursik, Wilmot, Baker and Campbell have to play. Obviously we have a large squad so rotation is necessary, but Sawyers can only play with Allen, Vrancic rotates with Powell, Moore with Jagielka, and Brown can be used depending on the opposition. I haven’t included Forrester because I haven’t a clue how good he is and THB’s inclusion should really depend on if we can extend his loan for next season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 6, 2022 16:21:01 GMT
That’s silly nonsense. Without being a great player, in Stokes current squad, his work rate and effort make him near essential. Campbell has shown very little so far since his comeback. No it doesn’t. Brown running around like a dog chasing a balloon is as excruciating as watching anything else. He’s looked good as a sub but generally when started he’s been poor. Campbell has been too but has mitigating circumstances.
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Mar 6, 2022 16:32:31 GMT
On what he was showing pre-injury, I'd agree with you. On what he's shown this season I don't think he'd get into a League One starting XI. That’s just hysterical nonsense. Hysterical nonsense my arse. Campbell has been poor and a shadow of the player before his injury. Don't know what the answer is with him but it's not giving him a starting shirt.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 6, 2022 16:34:20 GMT
That’s just hysterical nonsense. Hysterical nonsense my arse. Campbell has been poor and a shadow of the player before his injury. Don't know what the answer is with him but it's not giving him a starting shirt. He has been poor. How do you get a player who doesn’t look fit and sharp, fit and sharp? Play them…..
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Mar 6, 2022 17:11:17 GMT
Hysterical nonsense my arse. Campbell has been poor and a shadow of the player before his injury. Don't know what the answer is with him but it's not giving him a starting shirt. He has been poor. How do you get a player who doesn’t look fit and sharp, fit and sharp? Play them….. I certainly wouldn't start him in home games given how likely it is that the atmosphere will become increasingly toxic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 6, 2022 17:20:52 GMT
And this highlights a problem with them all but also shows why Brown isn’t the answer:
Goals per minute in the league.
Brown - 1 every 275 mins (8 goals) Powell - 1 every 213 mins (5 goals) Baker - 1 every 207 mins (4 goals) Campbell - 1 every 214 mins (4 goals) Fletcher - 1 every 390 mins (3 goals) Vrancic - 1 every 573 mins (3 goals) Ince - 1 every every 148 mins (3 goals) Surridge - 1 every 345 mins (2 goals) Maja - 1 every 296 mins (1 goal) DWP - 1 every 247 mins (1 goal) JPB - 1 every 464 mins (1 goal)
All looks really poor to me bar Ince and Baker.
But the two main players who are getting stuck in Campbell and Powell fair better than everyone bar Ince and Baker. Despite their injuries.
Expectation is bigger obviously as they are much better players. But be patient.
As for Brown, the 8 goals are decent tbh, way better than I expected but they take longer to come. As you’d expect from a lesser player.
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Post by tosh on Mar 6, 2022 18:09:46 GMT
Brown’s contribution to the team is more than just his goals. His running and harassing of defenders also has a value.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 6, 2022 18:57:26 GMT
It has minimal value.
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Post by chamberlain on Mar 6, 2022 19:07:04 GMT
Thats rubbish and you know it , if Brown was on yesterday the Blackpool defence wouldn't have had the easy game they had .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 6, 2022 19:24:59 GMT
Thats rubbish and you know it , if Brown was on yesterday the Blackpool defence wouldn't have had the easy game they had . I don’t think it it sorry. And they would. He’s not very good and his running is often to no end.
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Post by questionable on Mar 6, 2022 19:34:53 GMT
Thats rubbish and you know it , if Brown was on yesterday the Blackpool defence wouldn't have had the easy game they had . And here’s the problem our main attack options stem from a bloke who can’t really play football but can run a lot, pretty sad state of affairs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 21:39:21 GMT
I don't get the anti Powell stuff in some quarters. He's had a tough time and working his way back. We're lucky to have him and a vital player for us. Less of the negative waves. If he was to leave for say a Champ rival would be a disaster. Why does there have to be a hate figure for some on here? I think he’d get a move to a PL club as is tbh. Some of the stuff written about him is laughable. The same with Campbell although it’s a tad more justified with how long he hasn’t hit form since coming back. But even then it’s ott. He turned down Brighton to join us. I guess was more a location thing. His Mum lives in Haslington. If ever we need a player fit it's him not this negative nonsense
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Post by greyman on Mar 6, 2022 22:08:58 GMT
I have no idea what the hell MON's starting formation was supposed to achieve yesterday- I've never seen such a tactical clusterfuck. He seems to have now entered the twilight zone with his gameplan: baffled at how his side couldn't play 5-3-2 without Souttar spreading the play from the back, he tried 4-2-3-1 but became spooked by the guys who'd been his wing-backs not being the best full-backs and trying to shoehorn a centre-back in at RB instead (We've been there before haven't we?) He also has the problem of too many lightweight, lazy gits in his side who can't or won't roll their sleeves up. The problem is now he's not doing one thing or the other- he's trying to defend and be solid but with a team of fannies. The best way out of this, for me, is to stick with 4-2-3-1 but forget trying to pass it out- just play the damn thing long and get in the opposition's faces. The team I'd go with until the end of the season: Bursik (I think he's poor to be honest, but no worse than Bonham and could get better) Smith (he's not a great RB but far better there than Wilmot) Wilmot (he's our player so should get the nod over THB) Jageilka (I'd consider giving him a new contract as cover next season) Tymon (I don't like him at FB, but would stick Fox in as soon as he starts struggling) Allen (He's the only midfielder who can defend, but God we need a proper tackler in this place) Baker (Needs someone alongside him with a bit of bite) Brown (Actually moves, unlike Campbell) Powell (been shite recently but can do the physical stuff) JPB (Not our player, but we need a bit of flair up there) Fletcher (Only player who can hold the ball up) For me, that side would pick up a few decent results between now and the end of the season. MON needs to sort his thinking out other wise he's toast. What I can't understand - and I'm not alone in this - is why he didn't change tactics when Moore went off. We should have been 2 or 3 nil down by that point and hadn't looked a threat in any way. Bearing in mind we could already see what was coming, why the hell didn't he change it then? I don't have answers, but at the very least he should have been asked that after the game, it was so glaringly obvious.
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Post by onionman on Mar 6, 2022 22:16:19 GMT
I have no idea what the hell MON's starting formation was supposed to achieve yesterday- I've never seen such a tactical clusterfuck. He seems to have now entered the twilight zone with his gameplan: baffled at how his side couldn't play 5-3-2 without Souttar spreading the play from the back, he tried 4-2-3-1 but became spooked by the guys who'd been his wing-backs not being the best full-backs and trying to shoehorn a centre-back in at RB instead (We've been there before haven't we?) He also has the problem of too many lightweight, lazy gits in his side who can't or won't roll their sleeves up. The problem is now he's not doing one thing or the other- he's trying to defend and be solid but with a team of fannies. The best way out of this, for me, is to stick with 4-2-3-1 but forget trying to pass it out- just play the damn thing long and get in the opposition's faces. The team I'd go with until the end of the season: Bursik (I think he's poor to be honest, but no worse than Bonham and could get better) Smith (he's not a great RB but far better there than Wilmot) Wilmot (he's our player so should get the nod over THB) Jageilka (I'd consider giving him a new contract as cover next season) Tymon (I don't like him at FB, but would stick Fox in as soon as he starts struggling) Allen (He's the only midfielder who can defend, but God we need a proper tackler in this place) Baker (Needs someone alongside him with a bit of bite) Brown (Actually moves, unlike Campbell) Powell (been shite recently but can do the physical stuff) JPB (Not our player, but we need a bit of flair up there) Fletcher (Only player who can hold the ball up) For me, that side would pick up a few decent results between now and the end of the season. MON needs to sort his thinking out other wise he's toast. What I can't understand - and I'm not alone in this - is why he didn't change tactics when Moore went off. We should have been 2 or 3 nil down by that point and hadn't looked a threat in any way. Bearing in mind we could already see what was coming, why the hell didn't he change it then? I don't have answers, but at the very least he should have been asked that after the game, it was so glaringly obvious. Yes. That felt like O’Neill saying he was happy with the way things were going. It also meant we had both Smith and Wilmot roaming around in the wide-ish right position, posing no danger whatsoever to the Blackpool left side.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Mar 6, 2022 22:25:59 GMT
There are obviously dressing room problems and "christiano Powell" is one of them - you can tell how he plays - on saturday flicks to nothing in case he got tackled. then went down injured again went touched - stayed down for at least 3 minutes, when stoke players could have put ball out - but they didn't - wonder why - then he goes to side and runs on as if nothing has happened. hes a prima donna - get rid and the atmosphere in the dressing room will improve - too many like that - Clucas is another and unfortunately other players feed off his inactivity - like Campbell who is doing the same at the moment - they need a kick up the arse.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 6, 2022 22:34:07 GMT
There are obviously dressing room problems and "christiano Powell" is one of them - you can tell how he plays - on saturday flicks to nothing in case he got tackled. then went down injured again went touched - stayed down for at least 3 minutes, when stoke players could have put ball out - but they didn't - wonder why - then he goes to side and runs on as if nothing has happened. hes a prima donna - get rid and the atmosphere in the dressing room will improve - too many like that - Clucas is another and unfortunately other players feed off his inactivity - like Campbell who is doing the same at the moment - they need a kick up the arse. I hate Stoke fans.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 6, 2022 22:37:21 GMT
That’s just hysterical nonsense. I think you might've made more sense quoting your own posts there.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 6, 2022 22:41:11 GMT
That’s just hysterical nonsense. I think you might've made more sense quoting your own posts there. Haha…….no. Running around like a headless chicken isn’t offering anything.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Mar 6, 2022 23:05:31 GMT
There are obviously dressing room problems and "christiano Powell" is one of them - you can tell how he plays - on saturday flicks to nothing in case he got tackled. then went down injured again went touched - stayed down for at least 3 minutes, when stoke players could have put ball out - but they didn't - wonder why - then he goes to side and runs on as if nothing has happened. hes a prima donna - get rid and the atmosphere in the dressing room will improve - too many like that - Clucas is another and unfortunately other players feed off his inactivity - like Campbell who is doing the same at the moment - they need a kick up the arse. I hate Stoke fans. Never thought I would say it, but Bayern is spot on here. We must retain quality to move forwards and upwards. Campbell when fit and sharp is a valuable asset and best finisher in the club. Powell is a bit of an enigma but talented with vision. Brown definitely has a place though, at Bournemouth he ran his nuts off - on his own - and we always need some of that too - just not all the time.
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