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Oct 16, 2024 19:24:35 GMT
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Post by alsagerstokie on Oct 16, 2024 19:24:35 GMT
So is St Georges Park failing then?
What was the blue print?
Was that place not going to bring the next generation of young english talent weather it be Mens or Womens.
Also wasn't it going to be the new pathway to bringing through coaches that we can develop over a long period to become top managers. A production line if you will.
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Oct 16, 2024 21:08:45 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 16, 2024 21:08:45 GMT
So is St Georges Park failing then? What was the blue print? Was that place not going to bring the next generation of young english talent weather it be Mens or Womens. Also wasn't it going to be the new pathway to bringing through coaches that we can develop over a long period to become top managers. A production line if you will. Eagerly awaiting an answer to this….. |
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Oct 16, 2024 21:12:13 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 16, 2024 21:12:13 GMT
So is St Georges Park failing then? What was the blue print? Was that place not going to bring the next generation of young english talent weather it be Mens or Womens. Also wasn't it going to be the new pathway to bringing through coaches that we can develop over a long period to become top managers. A production line if you will. No it isn't The players we produce now are testament to that Coaches do come from there but given the lack of English owners in the Premier League it's incredibly difficult for any English coach to get a top club job as such when the England job comes up the cupboard will typically seem bare What can the FA do to change this? Pretty much nothing as far as I can see The Premier League has the power in this country not The FA |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 16, 2024 21:23:57 GMT
So is St Georges Park failing then? What was the blue print? Was that place not going to bring the next generation of young english talent weather it be Mens or Womens. Also wasn't it going to be the new pathway to bringing through coaches that we can develop over a long period to become top managers. A production line if you will. There simply isn't an English candidate strong enough for this job. There's this idea English managers are overlooked. That may or may not be the case. But there's no reason they can't go work overseas. The Graham Potter route. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Oct 16, 2024 21:50:41 GMT
So is St Georges Park failing then? What was the blue print? Was that place not going to bring the next generation of young english talent weather it be Mens or Womens. Also wasn't it going to be the new pathway to bringing through coaches that we can develop over a long period to become top managers. A production line if you will. Answered from my perspective earlier: It's not an overnight thing. The money the Coates put into the Stoke Academy over 15 years ago has only started to bear fruit in recent years. I imagine coaching is an even slower process. And Southgate has been a success. We didn't win a major tournament but England were there or thereabouts possibly the most consistently we've been in history? St. George's Park has had less time than the big upgrades to our our Academy/Clayton Wood. |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 17, 2024 1:21:04 GMT
I’m not really an England supporter but just heard the press conference. I think he will do well. The 18 month contract is a good idea. TT kept referring to “John & Mark”. With the many press conferences I’ve heard in recent years I was half expected him to say John & Jon. 🙂 On the point of it being an English manager, I heard earlier that the last English bosses to win European competition were Bob Paisley and Brian Clough… Bobby Robson with Barcelona 1997 Cup Winners Cup |
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Oct 17, 2024 2:03:24 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 17, 2024 2:03:24 GMT
I’m not really an England supporter but just heard the press conference. I think he will do well. The 18 month contract is a good idea. TT kept referring to “John & Mark”. With the many press conferences I’ve heard in recent years I was half expected him to say John & Jon. 🙂 On the point of it being an English manager, I heard earlier that the last English bosses to win European competition were Bob Paisley and Brian Clough… Bobby Robson with Barcelona 1997 Cup Winners Cup Yes good pick mate. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 17, 2024 7:35:42 GMT
Who gives a shit what nationality he is.
Fucking weird.
Is he good enough? Who knows.
Good luck to him.
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Oct 17, 2024 8:07:49 GMT
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Post by alsagerstokie on Oct 17, 2024 8:07:49 GMT
So is St Georges Park failing then? What was the blue print? Was that place not going to bring the next generation of young english talent weather it be Mens or Womens. Also wasn't it going to be the new pathway to bringing through coaches that we can develop over a long period to become top managers. A production line if you will. No it isn't The players we produce now are testament to that Coaches do come from there but given the lack of English owners in the Premier League it's incredibly difficult for any English coach to get a top club job as such when the England job comes up the cupboard will typically seem bare What can the FA do to change this? Pretty much nothing as far as I can see The Premier League has the power in this country not The FA St Georges Park didn't produce Bellingham tho did it. Birmingham's Academy did. Saka Arsenal Trent Liverpool's Academy |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 17, 2024 8:37:05 GMT
I think its terrible that we have to go down the foreign route again.
Eriksson and Capello era's should have put that too bed.
I understand we dont have great English candidates but its just needs to be an English manager. AND not because of xenophobic reasons.
Tuchel is a tough man-manager and he will have the players scared to play football again (just like the Capello era).
He might be a better tactician, but its absolutely 100% doomed to failure.
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Oct 17, 2024 9:08:46 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 17, 2024 9:08:46 GMT
I think its terrible that we have to go down the foreign route again. Eriksson and Capello era's should have put that too bed. I understand we dont have great English candidates but its just needs to be an English manager. AND not because of xenophobic reasons. Tuchel is a tough man-manager and he will have the players scared to play football again (just like the Capello era). He might be a better tactician, but its absolutely 100% doomed to failure. I don't think he'll have the players scared to play. Players who've played for him said it was ace playing for him. They knew their role and always had scope to express themselves. Him being argumentative is more with administrators. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Oct 17, 2024 10:28:20 GMT
Do people in Cricket circles and Rugby Union circles have the same reservations about foreign coaches?
The media certainly don’t seem to have as strong an opinion regarding other sports.
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Post by lordb on Oct 17, 2024 11:05:46 GMT
No it isn't The players we produce now are testament to that Coaches do come from there but given the lack of English owners in the Premier League it's incredibly difficult for any English coach to get a top club job as such when the England job comes up the cupboard will typically seem bare What can the FA do to change this? Pretty much nothing as far as I can see The Premier League has the power in this country not The FA St Georges Park didn't produce Bellingham tho did it. Birmingham's Academy did. Saka Arsenal Trent Liverpool's Academy indeed however they all played for the England teams right through the age groups coached by FA coaches the significant improvement in the younger age groups over the last decade or so has helped all those players development |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 17, 2024 11:06:09 GMT
I think its terrible that we have to go down the foreign route again. Eriksson and Capello era's should have put that too bed. I understand we dont have great English candidates but its just needs to be an English manager. AND not because of xenophobic reasons. Tuchel is a tough man-manager and he will have the players scared to play football again (just like the Capello era). He might be a better tactician, but its absolutely 100% doomed to failure. I don't think he'll have the players scared to play. Players who've played for him said it was ace playing for him. They knew their role and always had scope to express themselves. Him being argumentative is more with administrators. Its not even about Tuchel himself. We had some great players and teams under Eriksson and Capello but some seriously ordinary performances. I really think Southgate was under-valued because he did actually get the team playing without fear (we even won a few penalty shoot-outs in his time). I just think our international players are very weak mentally compared to other countries (Brazil, Germany, Spain). They only perform with a big arm on their shoulders. I think the manager needs to understand the history of England and the mental fragility. Thats really was great about Southgate - he was there as a player in 96 and missing a penalty and he knew what was needed. We can have a master tactician in charge in the mold of Napoleon, but the players wont perform if they are scared about failure. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 17, 2024 11:09:29 GMT
Its funny he has only an 18 month contract up to the World Cup.
What if we reach the final and LOSE again?? Does that mean we get rid again and onto the next manager?
Surely anything less than winning the thing will mean hes no better than Southgate. Would have applied to any manager to be fair. But anything less cant be considered success
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Post by redstriper on Oct 17, 2024 11:18:40 GMT
Its funny he has only an 18 month contract up to the World Cup. What if we reach the final and LOSE again?? Does that mean we get rid again and onto the next manager? Surely anything less than winning the thing will mean hes no better than Southgate. Would have applied to any manager to be fair. But anything less cant be considered success we lost in the quarter finals last time. So if we get any further he'll have done better than Southgate. Southgate had plenty of chances and wasn't able to convert with his cautious approach. I don't see nostalgia for him surfacing any time soon. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 17, 2024 11:21:51 GMT
Its funny he has only an 18 month contract up to the World Cup. What if we reach the final and LOSE again?? Does that mean we get rid again and onto the next manager? Surely anything less than winning the thing will mean hes no better than Southgate. Would have applied to any manager to be fair. But anything less cant be considered success we lost in the quarter finals last time. So if we get any further he'll have done better than Southgate. Southgate had plenty of chances and wasn't able to convert with his cautious approach. I don't see nostalgia for him surfacing any time soon. Ironically that QF v France was imo the least cautious of all the really big game sunder Southgate we took the game to them but didn't take our chances & lack of experience showed at times in that game |
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Post by noustie on Oct 17, 2024 11:27:38 GMT
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Post by femark on Oct 17, 2024 11:29:12 GMT
With so much emphasis being put on coaches, surely the coach should have to be English as well as the players, likewise for all other nations. It should be about showcasing a nations best coaches as well as best players.
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Oct 17, 2024 11:34:25 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 17, 2024 11:34:25 GMT
Its funny he has only an 18 month contract up to the World Cup. What if we reach the final and LOSE again?? Does that mean we get rid again and onto the next manager? Surely anything less than winning the thing will mean hes no better than Southgate. Would have applied to any manager to be fair. But anything less cant be considered success I've pointed out elsewhere on this thread, the chances of us winning the next world cup are close to zero. The circumstances surrounding it mean we'd require a remarkable chain of extreme good fortune to challenge. Of all the things Tuchy could achieve winning the 2026 world cup is hardly on my radar. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 17, 2024 11:40:00 GMT
I would like an English manager all the time,but if there isn't one who could bring success to the international team,then we have to look elsewhere.
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Oct 17, 2024 11:58:24 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 17, 2024 11:58:24 GMT
Its funny he has only an 18 month contract up to the World Cup. What if we reach the final and LOSE again?? Does that mean we get rid again and onto the next manager? Surely anything less than winning the thing will mean hes no better than Southgate. Would have applied to any manager to be fair. But anything less cant be considered success Southgate got lucky, he got good draws and there were a lot of big teams who weren't very strong. This time around it looks like there will be a few serious contenders as a few teams have improved |
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Post by flea79 on Oct 17, 2024 12:05:20 GMT
No it isn't The players we produce now are testament to that Coaches do come from there but given the lack of English owners in the Premier League it's incredibly difficult for any English coach to get a top club job as such when the England job comes up the cupboard will typically seem bare What can the FA do to change this? Pretty much nothing as far as I can see The Premier League has the power in this country not The FA St Georges Park didn't produce Bellingham tho did it. Birmingham's Academy did. Saka Arsenal Trent Liverpool's Academy but these young players do spend time at St Georges at various youth levels |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Oct 17, 2024 12:12:45 GMT
St. George's Park has been one of the key catalysts for our relative achievements since the debacle against Iceland in 2016. Having that central base for home games, with world class facilities has been critical.
Sure, we haven't won anything - but we've come as close as it is possible to get.
Do people have short memories? Can they remember how consistently shit we were before 2017?
We've always been a nation ranking between 6-16 in the world. We're now very much in the mix of those top countries.
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Oct 17, 2024 13:09:36 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 17, 2024 13:09:36 GMT
St. George's Park has been one of the key catalysts for our relative achievements since the debacle against Iceland in 2016. Having that central base for home games, with world class facilities has been critical. Sure, we haven't won anything - but we've come as close as it is possible to get. Do people have short memories? Can they remember how consistently shit we were before 2017? We've always been a nation ranking between 6-16 in the world. We're now very much in the mix of those top countries. Trudging out of the stadium in Nice I'd never have believed the next 8 years would bring what it has. |
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Post by drfootball on Oct 18, 2024 12:08:57 GMT
…. but will Tuchel sing the national anthem?, I’m worried sick. If he can consign that shite England 'band' and their God awful renditions of the Dambusters and the Great Escape to history's dustbin he can sing the greatest hits of Lady Gaga for all I care 😆 |
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 18, 2024 14:20:17 GMT
With so much emphasis being put on coaches, surely the coach should have to be English as well as the players, likewise for all other nations. It should be about showcasing a nations best coaches as well as best players. While I don't much care where Tuchel is from in this case, I do think it's weird that the players have to come from the nation but not the coaches. I agree, that if it is about national achievement then surely it should apply across the board. It's just a bit daft otherwise, might as well let the nations buy players from other countries if they want to play. It's not necessarily about being nationalistic its just being consistent. If 'we' win the World Cup then surely Germany have won at least a bit of it? |
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Oct 19, 2024 10:23:57 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Oct 19, 2024 10:23:57 GMT
I don't think he'll have the players scared to play. Players who've played for him said it was ace playing for him. They knew their role and always had scope to express themselves. Him being argumentative is more with administrators. Its not even about Tuchel himself. We had some great players and teams under Eriksson and Capello but some seriously ordinary performances. I really think Southgate was under-valued because he did actually get the team playing without fear (we even won a few penalty shoot-outs in his time). I just think our international players are very weak mentally compared to other countries (Brazil, Germany, Spain). They only perform with a big arm on their shoulders. I think the manager needs to understand the history of England and the mental fragility. Thats really was great about Southgate - he was there as a player in 96 and missing a penalty and he knew what was needed. We can have a master tactician in charge in the mold of Napoleon, but the players wont perform if they are scared about failure. Playing without fear under Southgate? That’s the funniest thing I’ve read in ages. 1-0 up after 2 minutes at home in the first final since 1966, and our next shot on target was in extra time. Came out of our shell for 10 minutes against Spain before retreating again. English coaches are not very good- and our players are nowhere near as good as they like to believe. Seriously, how many of our side would you pick in a European Best XI, or World XI? Your salient point might be how strong they are mentally, because when they need leadership, I haven’t seen too many players coming forward to drive us on- perhaps Bellingham? |
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Post by headsgoup on Oct 19, 2024 10:58:41 GMT
Its funny he has only an 18 month contract up to the World Cup. What if we reach the final and LOSE again?? Does that mean we get rid again and onto the next manager? Surely anything less than winning the thing will mean hes no better than Southgate. Would have applied to any manager to be fair. But anything less cant be considered success we lost in the quarter finals last time. So if we get any further he'll have done better than Southgate. Southgate had plenty of chances and wasn't able to convert with his cautious approach. I don't see nostalgia for him surfacing any time soon. To be fair, if we go to the WC and lose in the final, that would be the best performance for the national team in living memory, almost. Quite a high bar to be dissatisfied with, I must say. |
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