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Post by bayernoatcake on May 5, 2022 10:52:13 GMT
Nowhere near as good as I was expecting him to be. Obviously an accomplished player, but plays as if he is just going through the motions and doesn't have anywhere near as much influence on games as his talent suggests he should. He's been massively disappointing when played deeper. He's shown no desire to even be an obstacle back there, which is the least you need. I've enjoyed watching him advanced though. I wouldn't want him in the team over Powell but as competition, an alternate to rest Powell and for when he's injured then I think he's ideal for it. My issue would be his wages for a back up player and MON being here and wanting to use him deeper to prove a point.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 11:00:55 GMT
Nowhere near as good as I was expecting him to be. Obviously an accomplished player, but plays as if he is just going through the motions and doesn't have anywhere near as much influence on games as his talent suggests he should. He's been massively disappointing when played deeper. He's shown no desire to even be an obstacle back there, which is the least you need. I've enjoyed watching him advanced though. I wouldn't want him in the team over Powell but as competition, an alternate to rest Powell and for when he's injured then I think he's ideal for it. My issue would be his wages for a back up player and MON being here and wanting to use him deeper to prove a point. His lack of desire to do the hard yards in the most physically demanding position of the pitch is a massive issue with him, but we were warned by West Brom and Brentford fans about this so it wasn't a big surprise. What was a surprise is just how extreme his lack of desire is, to even be an obstacle as you say.
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Post by femark on May 5, 2022 11:05:46 GMT
He's been massively disappointing when played deeper. He's shown no desire to even be an obstacle back there, which is the least you need. I've enjoyed watching him advanced though. I wouldn't want him in the team over Powell but as competition, an alternate to rest Powell and for when he's injured then I think he's ideal for it. My issue would be his wages for a back up player and MON being here and wanting to use him deeper to prove a point. His lack of desire to do the hard yards in the most physically demanding position of the pitch is a massive issue with him, but we were warned by West Brom and Brentford fans about this so it wasn't a big surprise. What was a surprise is just how extreme his lack of desire is, to even be an obstacle as you say. Interesting quote from when he was at Brentford: "We have a great sports science department, so the statistics are always there. You can’t hide from those numbers. I can look as laid back, lazy and languid as you like – whichever word you want to use – but the numbers are there to show that such an impression of me is not accurate."
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 5, 2022 11:08:18 GMT
He's been massively disappointing when played deeper. He's shown no desire to even be an obstacle back there, which is the least you need. I've enjoyed watching him advanced though. I wouldn't want him in the team over Powell but as competition, an alternate to rest Powell and for when he's injured then I think he's ideal for it. My issue would be his wages for a back up player and MON being here and wanting to use him deeper to prove a point. His lack of desire to do the hard yards in the most physically demanding position of the pitch is a massive issue with him, but we were warned by West Brom and Brentford fans about this so it wasn't a big surprise. What was a surprise is just how extreme his lack of desire is, to even be an obstacle as you say. I don’t think that matters in the advanced role though and that’s been shown on the pitch when he’s played there. He can’t do that deeper though.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 5, 2022 11:15:56 GMT
His lack of desire to do the hard yards in the most physically demanding position of the pitch is a massive issue with him, but we were warned by West Brom and Brentford fans about this so it wasn't a big surprise. What was a surprise is just how extreme his lack of desire is, to even be an obstacle as you say. Interesting quote from when he was at Brentford: "We have a great sports science department, so the statistics are always there. You can’t hide from those numbers. I can look as laid back, lazy and languid as you like – whichever word you want to use – but the numbers are there to show that such an impression of me is not accurate." It really depends on what the numbers are referring to, doesn't it?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 11:16:02 GMT
His lack of desire to do the hard yards in the most physically demanding position of the pitch is a massive issue with him, but we were warned by West Brom and Brentford fans about this so it wasn't a big surprise. What was a surprise is just how extreme his lack of desire is, to even be an obstacle as you say. I don’t think that matters in the advanced role though and that’s been shown on the pitch when he’s played there. He can’t do that deeper though. I don't disagree. I just think his game when on the ball is better suited to being deeper than the advanced midfield role, and when Powell is in the side and dropping deep then the need for Sawyers to be occupying an advanced midfield role is negated. Like you have already said, if it's a choice between him and Powell in the side, then it's Powell everyday of the week.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 5, 2022 11:30:29 GMT
I don’t think that matters in the advanced role though and that’s been shown on the pitch when he’s played there. He can’t do that deeper though. I don't disagree. I just think his game when on the ball is better suited to being deeper than the advanced midfield role, and when Powell is in the side and dropping deep then the need for Sawyers to be occupying an advanced midfield role is negated. Like you have already said, if it's a choice between him and Powell in the side, then it's Powell everyday of the week. But we need both don't we really? With 3 game weeks you need to be able to rotate to keep these players fitter for longer. It's something I think MON has massively failed at and why I have little sympathy for him when it comes to injuries. It comes down to the money (if he West Brom don't extend his contract) at the end of the day though. Can we get him on back up money? I suspect not.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 12:03:42 GMT
I don't disagree. I just think his game when on the ball is better suited to being deeper than the advanced midfield role, and when Powell is in the side and dropping deep then the need for Sawyers to be occupying an advanced midfield role is negated. Like you have already said, if it's a choice between him and Powell in the side, then it's Powell everyday of the week. But we need both don't we really? With 3 game weeks you need to be able to rotate to keep these players fitter for longer. It's something I think MON has massively failed at and why I have little sympathy for him when it comes to injuries. It comes down to the money (if he West Brom don't extend his contract) at the end of the day though. Can we get him on back up money? I suspect not. There isn't a chance on Earth that we, Stoke City, where we are as a football club can keep players like Powell and Sawyers happy by sitting on our bench for any length of time.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 5, 2022 12:04:38 GMT
But we need both don't we really? With 3 game weeks you need to be able to rotate to keep these players fitter for longer. It's something I think MON has massively failed at and why I have little sympathy for him when it comes to injuries. It comes down to the money (if he West Brom don't extend his contract) at the end of the day though. Can we get him on back up money? I suspect not. There isn't a chance on Earth that we, Stoke City, where we are as a footbalk club coach keep players like Powell and Sawyers happy by sitting on our bench for any length of time. It's a 46 league game plus cups season. Playing time would be fine.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 5, 2022 12:11:05 GMT
I don't disagree. I just think his game when on the ball is better suited to being deeper than the advanced midfield role, and when Powell is in the side and dropping deep then the need for Sawyers to be occupying an advanced midfield role is negated. Like you have already said, if it's a choice between him and Powell in the side, then it's Powell everyday of the week. But we need both don't we really? With 3 game weeks you need to be able to rotate to keep these players fitter for longer. It's something I think MON has massively failed at and why I have little sympathy for him when it comes to injuries. It comes down to the money (if he West Brom don't extend his contract) at the end of the day though. Can we get him on back up money? I suspect not. How many games have Wilson or Mitrovic missed for Fulham this season? Wilson has started 37 games this season. Mitrovic has started 42. The three game week, have to rotate idea is a myth and one that has caused major issues for us all season. You rotate players when they are exhausted. Almost all players in the squad should be able to start three games a week.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 5, 2022 12:16:47 GMT
Will he romaine at the club then? Lettuce see He fucking plays like a wet one.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 5, 2022 12:19:41 GMT
But we need both don't we really? With 3 game weeks you need to be able to rotate to keep these players fitter for longer. It's something I think MON has massively failed at and why I have little sympathy for him when it comes to injuries. It comes down to the money (if he West Brom don't extend his contract) at the end of the day though. Can we get him on back up money? I suspect not. How many games have Wilson or Mitrovic missed for Fulham this season? Wilson has started 37 games this season. Mitrovic has started 42. The three game week, have to rotate idea is a myth and one that has caused major issues for us all season. You rotate players when they are exhausted. Almost all players in the squad should be able to start three games a week. Neither are that injury prone are they? Powellneeds managing.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 5, 2022 12:30:03 GMT
How many games have Wilson or Mitrovic missed for Fulham this season? Wilson has started 37 games this season. Mitrovic has started 42. The three game week, have to rotate idea is a myth and one that has caused major issues for us all season. You rotate players when they are exhausted. Almost all players in the squad should be able to start three games a week. Neither are that injury prone are they? Powellneeds managing. Powell wasn’t injury prone last season. He missed this one with a broken leg. He’s the best player we have, but if we can’t rely on him, we may as well not have him. Teams need consistency to succeed.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 5, 2022 12:32:17 GMT
Neither are that injury prone are they? Powellneeds managing. Powell wasn’t injury prone last season. He missed this one with a broken leg. He’s the best player we have, but if we can’t rely on him, we may as well not have him. Teams need consistency to succeed. He has been injury prone through his career and does far too much work for it not to be a worry. He's one of the best players in the league so you live with that and have a back up plan. They do but they also need to be tweaked to keep them fresh.
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Post by femark on May 5, 2022 15:31:59 GMT
Interesting quote from when he was at Brentford: "We have a great sports science department, so the statistics are always there. You can’t hide from those numbers. I can look as laid back, lazy and languid as you like – whichever word you want to use – but the numbers are there to show that such an impression of me is not accurate." It really depends on what the numbers are referring to, doesn't it? I assume it has something to do with his running stats, Km's covered since he's referring to people calling him lazy?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 5, 2022 15:38:28 GMT
It really depends on what the numbers are referring to, doesn't it? I assume it has something to do with his running stats, Km's covered since he's referring to people calling him lazy? Whatever he was doing they were obviously happy with him there. He's been a disaster in the deeper role here though.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on May 5, 2022 15:46:48 GMT
Harsh but I think Sawyers has had his time in the limelight, peaked a couple of seasons back and now in the old dogs home (SCFC) like so many others we’ve had since relegation.
Would love to see him thrive at Stoke but it seems unlikely
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Post by questionable on May 5, 2022 16:34:24 GMT
He's been massively disappointing when played deeper. He's shown no desire to even be an obstacle back there, which is the least you need. I've enjoyed watching him advanced though. I wouldn't want him in the team over Powell but as competition, an alternate to rest Powell and for when he's injured then I think he's ideal for it. My issue would be his wages for a back up player and MON being here and wanting to use him deeper to prove a point. His lack of desire to do the hard yards in the most physically demanding position of the pitch is a massive issue with him, but we were warned by West Brom and Brentford fans about this so it wasn't a big surprise. What was a surprise is just how extreme his lack of desire is, to even be an obstacle as you say. I have no idea what he offers really, neither here or there for me, I’d like to say you can count on one hand his stand out games but that’s exaggerating. 90% of the time you don’t know he’s on the pitch, do the groundwork and it’s proven that players like Baker are out there.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2022 9:04:41 GMT
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Post by werrington on May 13, 2022 9:23:54 GMT
And another one who doesn’t mention the fans Seems to be a regular pattern
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 13, 2022 9:46:51 GMT
Reads like a adios that one Allen and Sawyers leavesa huge hole for a club with very little money to spend and no obvious appeal to the highly ambitious
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 13, 2022 9:52:10 GMT
I wouldn't offer Sawyers a three year contract though Benji. He's 30 and not cheap wages wise. With Joe, we'd be saving a hell of a lot and could conceivably bring in two on a Bosman with that money if we shop around. Who? I've no idea!
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 13, 2022 10:13:44 GMT
And another one who doesn’t mention the fans Seems to be a regular pattern Why would he?
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 13, 2022 10:19:31 GMT
And another one who doesn’t mention the fans Seems to be a regular pattern Why would he? It's usually a common courtesy, whether they mean it or not. I think it’s likely that some of these players see the fans as a problem rather than having to look at themselves. To be fair, it's entirely reciprocal on my part. 50% of this squad I’d have a party if they left, another 40% I wouldn’t raise an eyebrow.
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Post by werrington on May 13, 2022 10:19:43 GMT
And another one who doesn’t mention the fans Seems to be a regular pattern Why would he? It’s par for the course Bayern as you well know and thats three now Don’t get me wrong I’d have sawyers back tomorrow despite the idiots cheering him as he was subbed so I’m not bashing him I just find it strange that’s all Perhaps it’s just me
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 13, 2022 10:24:37 GMT
It's usually a common courtesy, whether they mean it or not. I think it’s likely that some of these players see the fans as a problem rather than having to look at themselves. To be fair, it's entirely reciprocal on my part. 50% of this squad I’d have a party if they left, another 40% I wouldn’t raise an eyebrow. But generally we've been a dickhead to him. I wouldn't thank us either.
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 13, 2022 10:35:02 GMT
It's usually a common courtesy, whether they mean it or not. I think it’s likely that some of these players see the fans as a problem rather than having to look at themselves. To be fair, it's entirely reciprocal on my part. 50% of this squad I’d have a party if they left, another 40% I wouldn’t raise an eyebrow. But generally we've been a dickhead to him. I wouldn't thank us either. Maybe but as I say for me it’s entirely reciprocal. He is a good player but what I saw at Cardiff away in particular but some other games as well, is a player who couldn’t give a fuck about Stoke City. Didn’t try a jot that night. Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out mate.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 13, 2022 10:47:00 GMT
But generally we've been a dickhead to him. I wouldn't thank us either. Maybe but as I say for me it’s entirely reciprocal. He is a good player but what I saw at Cardiff away in particular but some other games as well, is a player who couldn’t give a fuck about Stoke City. Didn’t try a jot that night. Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out mate. Why should he give a fuck about Stoke City? I don't think any of them do. I guess it just depends then if that bothers you or not.
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 13, 2022 10:48:31 GMT
Maybe but as I say for me it’s entirely reciprocal. He is a good player but what I saw at Cardiff away in particular but some other games as well, is a player who couldn’t give a fuck about Stoke City. Didn’t try a jot that night. Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out mate. Why should he give a fuck about Stoke City? I don't think any of them do. I guess it just depends then if that bothers you or not. Professional pride for the institution (which includes the fans) that is paying your wages?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 13, 2022 10:50:39 GMT
Bring Sawyers in and let Powell go.
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