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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 25, 2022 11:51:24 GMT
He had little choice with the FFP situation So he used a player he could claim no credit for to create room for manouvre which we're arguing he didn't have. It was by it's very nature a manouvre many of his peers didn't have the luxury of. FFP dictated the situation we/he was/were in
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 25, 2022 11:51:46 GMT
Hypothetically though, that would have to be considered progress by the same metric… It would depend again on the circumstances in which those points were achieved ie injuries being the main one. We need a return to the home form with Souttar in the team up until his injury last season,what was it one home defeat against Bournemouth? The performances weren’t enormously convincing though, it was a little bit Brian Little in some ways. We need an identity, definitely.
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Post by werrington on Jun 25, 2022 11:52:35 GMT
So he used a player he could claim no credit for to create room for manouvre which we're arguing he didn't have. It was by it's very nature a manouvre many of his peers didn't have the luxury of. FFP dictated the situation we/he was/were in FFP doesn’t excuse the utter tripe we have been watching for the last two seasons mutts
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 25, 2022 11:53:19 GMT
It would depend again on the circumstances in which those points were achieved ie injuries being the main one. We need a return to the home form with Souttar in the team up until his injury last season,what was it one home defeat against Bournemouth? The performances weren’t enormously convincing though, it was a little bit Brian Little in some ways. We need an identity, definitely. So are you equating the loss of Chris Short in that season to the loss of big Harry last season?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 25, 2022 11:57:35 GMT
FFP dictated the situation we/he was/were in FFP doesn’t excuse the utter tripe we have been watching for the last two seasons mutts As I’ve told you many a time first and foremost I go to see Stoke win,yes we’ve had alot of games that would send a glass eye to sleep but it’s not all been utter tripe for 2 seasons🤔really?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 25, 2022 11:58:04 GMT
So he used a player he could claim no credit for to create room for manouvre which we're arguing he didn't have. It was by it's very nature a manouvre many of his peers didn't have the luxury of. FFP dictated the situation we/he was/were in Nobody is arguing he shouldn't have done it but that it bought him room for manouvre that the vast majority of championship managers didn't have the luxury of. Yes or no quit the politician answers.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 25, 2022 12:00:19 GMT
FFP doesn’t excuse the utter tripe we have been watching for the last two seasons mutts As I’ve told you many a time first and foremost I go to see Stoke win,yes we’ve had alot of games that would send a glass eye to sleep but it’s not all been utter tripe for 2 seasons🤔really? No it's been interspersed with inexplicable really good performances which is even more maddening.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 25, 2022 12:00:23 GMT
The performances weren’t enormously convincing though, it was a little bit Brian Little in some ways. We need an identity, definitely. So are you equating the loss of Chris Short in that season to the loss of big Harry last season? 😀 No I’m saying our performances even with both in the team were overstated and the weaknesses we had even then were more and more exposed as the season wore on.
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Post by werrington on Jun 25, 2022 12:00:33 GMT
The performances weren’t enormously convincing though, it was a little bit Brian Little in some ways. We need an identity, definitely. So are you equating the loss of Chris Short in that season to the loss of big Harry last season? Bar the first two months of this last season and West Brom away I’d say so yeah The home performances have been utter mind numbing
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 25, 2022 12:02:39 GMT
So are you equating the loss of Chris Short in that season to the loss of big Harry last season? 😀 No I’m saying our performances even with both in the team were overstated and the weaknesses we had even then were more and more exposed as the season wore on. But for me they were exposed because of the biggest loss in the way the team played especially in home games
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 25, 2022 12:04:25 GMT
So are you equating the loss of Chris Short in that season to the loss of big Harry last season? Bar the first two months of this last season and West Brom away I’d say so yeah The home performances have been utter mind numbing Swansea home was another good performance that lead you to believe we might have turned some sort of corner only to go straight back to the mind numbing shit that is his default setting.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 25, 2022 12:04:53 GMT
😀 No I’m saying our performances even with both in the team were overstated and the weaknesses we had even then were more and more exposed as the season wore on. But for me they were exposed because of the biggest loss in the way the team played especially in home games We weren’t playing especially well with Souttar in the team mate, that’s my point. There was the odd good one here and there but on the whole we weren’t. The issues in midfield, the issues with game management, both were evident then.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 25, 2022 12:13:53 GMT
But for me they were exposed because of the biggest loss in the way the team played especially in home games So you didn’t enjoy away days at Blackpool,Luton,QPR,Hull and Forest? The home game against Swansea followed by Forest away gave me false hope of the play offs The Swansea home game is a proper outlier even the wins at home had become utterly tedious by then. You're right though it gave me hope too, trouble is the hope was irrational looking at the broader picture.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 25, 2022 12:13:59 GMT
But for me they were exposed because of the biggest loss in the way the team played especially in home games So you didn’t enjoy away days at Blackpool,Luton,QPR,Hull and Forest? The home game against Swansea followed by Forest away gave me false hope of the play offs Hull was great. The Swansea/Forest combo was encouraging too but then he shit himself after losing to Luton - and pushed the panic button. Didn’t think the performance at Blackpool was especially good. Luton, QPR were fun games but again you could see our frailties at the same time. I’ll always enjoy a win but performances are what take the temperature of where you are as a team. No run of good ones goes unrewarded for long, no run of dodgy ones unpunished.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 25, 2022 12:14:47 GMT
So are you equating the loss of Chris Short in that season to the loss of big Harry last season? Bar the first two months of this last season and West Brom away I’d say so yeah The home performances have been utter mind numbing So you didn’t enjoy away days at Blackpool,Luton,QPR,Hull and Forest? The home game against Swansea followed by Forest away gave me false hope of the play offs
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 25, 2022 12:16:56 GMT
So you didn’t enjoy away days at Blackpool,Luton,QPR,Hull and Forest? The home game against Swansea followed by Forest away gave me false hope of the play offs Hull was great. The Swansea/Forest combo was encouraging too but then he shit himself after losing to Luton - and pushed the panic button. Didn’t think the performance at Blackpool was especially good. Luton, QPR were fun games but again you could see our frailties at the same time. I’ll always enjoy a win but performances are what take the temperature of where you are as a team. No run of good ones goes unrewarded for long, no run of dodgy ones unpunished. See that’s where we differ mate because I got a lot of pleasure out of the 3 late season home games in boring matches against Sheff Utd,Millwall and QPR with clean sheets😊
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 25, 2022 12:23:41 GMT
Hull was great. The Swansea/Forest combo was encouraging too but then he shit himself after losing to Luton - and pushed the panic button. Didn’t think the performance at Blackpool was especially good. Luton, QPR were fun games but again you could see our frailties at the same time. I’ll always enjoy a win but performances are what take the temperature of where you are as a team. No run of good ones goes unrewarded for long, no run of dodgy ones unpunished. See that’s where we differ mate because I got a lot of pleasure out of the 3 late season home games in boring matches against Sheff Utd,Millwall and QPR with clean sheets😊 You might have but how well were they received by the fans generally(I missed QPR but thought the other two were dreadful to watch). Boring football drives fans away. Lower gates = more ffp hardship. How low should they allow gates to fall before they try to improve the entertainment value?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 25, 2022 12:28:13 GMT
How many other championship clubs could have afforded Wilmot or Surridge last Summer or Doughty the previous January? Only because others made way Like at most clubs 😂 What sort of an argument is that?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 25, 2022 12:31:18 GMT
Only because others made way Like at most clubs 😂 What sort of an argument is that? The only one available to you when you're denying reality.
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Post by march4 on Jun 25, 2022 12:44:37 GMT
It would depend again on the circumstances in which those points were achieved ie injuries being the main one. We need a return to the home form with Souttar in the team up until his injury last season,what was it one home defeat against Bournemouth? The performances weren’t enormously convincing though, it was a little bit Brian Little in some ways. We need an identity, definitely. Identity - excellent word.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 25, 2022 12:54:59 GMT
The performances weren’t enormously convincing though, it was a little bit Brian Little in some ways. We need an identity, definitely. Identity - excellent word. It doesn't mean we need to become what you yearn for that's an obsession not an identity.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 25, 2022 13:07:43 GMT
Hull was great. The Swansea/Forest combo was encouraging too but then he shit himself after losing to Luton - and pushed the panic button. Didn’t think the performance at Blackpool was especially good. Luton, QPR were fun games but again you could see our frailties at the same time. I’ll always enjoy a win but performances are what take the temperature of where you are as a team. No run of good ones goes unrewarded for long, no run of dodgy ones unpunished. See that’s where we differ mate because I got a lot of pleasure out of the 3 late season home games in boring matches against Sheff Utd,Millwall and QPR with clean sheets😊 It’s not really about pleasure though mate it’s about what it tells us about the team. Of course we all enjoy on some level a scrappy win where one goes in off someone’s arse but if you’re not creating chances and not managing games well that will bite you in the end.
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Post by Robo10 on Jun 25, 2022 13:22:10 GMT
Is there any chance of a Romaine Sawyers thread breaking out?
Asking for a friend
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 25, 2022 13:29:19 GMT
Is there any chance of a Romaine Sawyers thread breaking out? Asking for a friend He can’t go anywhere til 1st July can he?
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Post by march4 on Jun 25, 2022 13:30:06 GMT
Identity - excellent word. It doesn't mean we need to become what you yearn for that's an obsession not an identity. I’d settle for any identity. It is an essential requirement of leadership.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 25, 2022 14:23:45 GMT
Still pretending 2 points is progress
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Post by scfcwebby on Jun 26, 2022 9:04:01 GMT
Hypothetically though, that would have to be considered progress by the same metric… It would depend again on the circumstances in which those points were achieved ie injuries being the main one. We need a return to the home form with Souttar in the team up until his injury last season,what was it one home defeat against Bournemouth? How long do we blame a player getting injured on a completely lacklustre season though? Injuries happen at every team and we should have had more than enough to cover, but instead he chose to play Chester at CB. Injuries don't dictate that we play 5 at the back at home against teams that are in the bottom 6 of the league. An injury to a CB doesn't dictate that we go full 90 minutes at home without a single shot on target. Injuries don't dictate that he signs players that are toss and moves them on again within a year. Injuries don't dictate that we treat our own youngsters ridiculously poorly. Injuries don't dictate that the manager cannot change to take the initiative in a game or to swing the pendulum our way despite EVERY other team being able to do it against us. We have had injuries, i agree, but we can't keep hiding behind that year after year after year. FFP is an issue, but again he had been more than backed given the circumstances and he's still turning out dirge.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 26, 2022 9:09:22 GMT
It would depend again on the circumstances in which those points were achieved ie injuries being the main one. We need a return to the home form with Souttar in the team up until his injury last season,what was it one home defeat against Bournemouth? How long do we blame a player getting injured on a completely lacklustre season though? Injuries happen at every team and we should have had more than enough to cover, but instead he chose to play Chester at CB. Injuries don't dictate that we play 5 at the back at home against teams that are in the bottom 6 of the league. An injury to a CB doesn't dictate that we go full 90 minutes at home without a single shot on target. Injuries don't dictate that he signs players that are toss and moves them on again within a year. Injuries don't dictate that we treat our own youngsters ridiculously poorly. Injuries don't dictate that the manager cannot change to take the initiative in a game or to swing the pendulum our way despite EVERY other team being able to do it against us. We have had injuries, i agree, but we can't keep hiding behind that year after year after year. FFP is an issue, but again he had been more than backed given the circumstances and he's still turning out dirge. Let's hope Powell doesn't pick up another injury in the next few months, or else we may as write off the season as soon as the World Cup ends (apart from a few 'dead rubbers' in the last knockings)
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 26, 2022 9:37:18 GMT
It would depend again on the circumstances in which those points were achieved ie injuries being the main one. We need a return to the home form with Souttar in the team up until his injury last season,what was it one home defeat against Bournemouth? How long do we blame a player getting injured on a completely lacklustre season though? Injuries happen at every team and we should have had more than enough to cover, but instead he chose to play Chester at CB. Injuries don't dictate that we play 5 at the back at home against teams that are in the bottom 6 of the league. An injury to a CB doesn't dictate that we go full 90 minutes at home without a single shot on target. Injuries don't dictate that he signs players that are toss and moves them on again within a year. Injuries don't dictate that we treat our own youngsters ridiculously poorly. Injuries don't dictate that the manager cannot change to take the initiative in a game or to swing the pendulum our way despite EVERY other team being able to do it against us. We have had injuries, i agree, but we can't keep hiding behind that year after year after year. FFP is an issue, but again he had been more than backed given the circumstances and he's still turning out dirge. Is right apart from playing Chester because of Souttar's injury, he played Batth. He'd already been playing Chester instead of Osigaard well before Souttar's injury for no rational reason.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 26, 2022 9:39:58 GMT
How long do we blame a player getting injured on a completely lacklustre season though? Injuries happen at every team and we should have had more than enough to cover, but instead he chose to play Chester at CB. Injuries don't dictate that we play 5 at the back at home against teams that are in the bottom 6 of the league. An injury to a CB doesn't dictate that we go full 90 minutes at home without a single shot on target. Injuries don't dictate that he signs players that are toss and moves them on again within a year. Injuries don't dictate that we treat our own youngsters ridiculously poorly. Injuries don't dictate that the manager cannot change to take the initiative in a game or to swing the pendulum our way despite EVERY other team being able to do it against us. We have had injuries, i agree, but we can't keep hiding behind that year after year after year. FFP is an issue, but again he had been more than backed given the circumstances and he's still turning out dirge. Let's hope Powell doesn't pick up another injury in the next few months, or else we may as write off the season as soon as the World Cup ends (apart from a few 'dead rubbers' in the last knockings) If Powell is even here. He's good but entering the final year of his contract with no further option. If he won't commit longer term we should be actively looking to sell him.
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