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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 22, 2022 17:51:52 GMT
I'd say anything below £15M and they are robbing us! In addition I wouldn't sell if there weren't installments up to £20M! In my opinion £8M would be ridiculously low. I like him in this league. Still not convinced he could hack the PL. I think he'll end up in one of the top 6 teams in this country. Time will tell though!
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 22, 2022 17:57:04 GMT
I like him in this league. Still not convinced he could hack the PL. I think he'll end up in one of the top 6 teams in this country. Time will tell though! I think he’ll have to improve his agility to do that. Either that or vastly improve on his reading of the game. He does well in the Championship, but so does Mitrovic. Having Jagielka here can only benefit him. He reads the game superbly and knows what it takes to succeed at a high level.
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Post by callas12 on Feb 22, 2022 17:58:29 GMT
I know Villa were heavily monitoring Souttar prior to sustaining his injury, really don't think this would be a one horse race and it would become an auction of sorts if he regains his fitness & their is a scramble of clubs after him in the summer window.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 22, 2022 17:59:08 GMT
I think he'll end up in one of the top 6 teams in this country. Time will tell though! I think he’ll have to improve his agility to do that. Either that or vastly improve on his reading of the game. He does well in the Championship, but so does Mitrovic. Having Jagielka here can only benefit him. He reads the game superbly and knows what it takes to succeed at a high level. That’s definitely where Jagielka excels. But won’t he be gone when Souttar comes back?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 22, 2022 18:01:23 GMT
I like him in this league. Still not convinced he could hack the PL. Still has plenty of time for improvement, I think with some fine tuning he could certainly be a premier league player. Let’s not forgot it’s been a pretty steep rise so far, another couple of improvements and he would command a hefty fee. At the moment I would accept no less than say £10-12 million He does and he learns too. I wouldn't be surprised if he did well there but if I was a fan of a PL club and had watched him I'd be wary of how much my club was putting down for him.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 22, 2022 18:06:10 GMT
Still has plenty of time for improvement, I think with some fine tuning he could certainly be a premier league player. Let’s not forgot it’s been a pretty steep rise so far, another couple of improvements and he would command a hefty fee. At the moment I would accept no less than say £10-12 million He does and he learns too. I wouldn't be surprised if he did well there but if I was a fan of a PL club and had watched him I'd be wary of how much my club was putting down for him. When you look at the likes of Callum Chambers and Rob Holding there’s definitely hope!!!!
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 22, 2022 18:10:15 GMT
I think he'll end up in one of the top 6 teams in this country. Time will tell though! I think he’ll have to improve his agility to do that. Either that or vastly improve on his reading of the game. He does well in the Championship, but so does Mitrovic. Having Jagielka here can only benefit him. He reads the game superbly and knows what it takes to succeed at a high level. Don't forget how long he has been the leader of our defence. He is still a young boy.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 22, 2022 20:04:09 GMT
I think he’ll have to improve his agility to do that. Either that or vastly improve on his reading of the game. He does well in the Championship, but so does Mitrovic. Having Jagielka here can only benefit him. He reads the game superbly and knows what it takes to succeed at a high level. That’s definitely where Jagielka excels. But won’t he be gone when Souttar comes back? I don’t think so. I can’t see that we’ll not want to keep him if he stays close to his level since arriving (and the level he’s delivered all season). Every team needs a seasoned pro and, especially if we stick with four at the back, Jagielka and Souttar could work together. If they couldn’t, Jagielka could come in to play those types games that Souttar needed resting this year when we didn’t have a replacement for him.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 25, 2022 13:43:51 GMT
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Post by jokker on Mar 25, 2022 14:07:04 GMT
You always have to wonder if this type of statement isn't a bit of a smokescreen. He's not tempted by Villa, Everton, or Burnley, but otherwise it could be a come and get me to clubs in the top 10. He'll be 24 by the time he's fully fit, so a couple more years in the Champ, and he could lose his way. From his point of view it'll be a great shame if his adopted country doesn't qualify for the World Cup, because 3 or maybe even 4 games could be/have been the great eyeopener.
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Post by dirtclod on Mar 25, 2022 14:19:37 GMT
That's made my day better.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 25, 2022 14:26:57 GMT
You always have to wonder if this type of statement isn't a bit of a smokescreen. He's not tempted by Villa, Everton, or Burnley, but otherwise it could be a come and get me to clubs in the top 10. He'll be 24 by the time he's fully fit, so a couple more years in the Champ, and he could lose his way. From his point of view it'll be a great shame if his adopted country doesn't qualify for the World Cup, because 3 or maybe even 4 games could be/have been the great eyeopener. He's nowhere near good enough for a top 10 club. I like Souttar a lot and he's one of the best defenders in this league, but he's slow and not aggressive enough. I can't imagine how he'd deal with the likes of Salah etc. For a man of his height, he should be scoring a lot more goals from set plays as well.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 25, 2022 15:52:50 GMT
You always have to wonder if this type of statement isn't a bit of a smokescreen. He's not tempted by Villa, Everton, or Burnley, but otherwise it could be a come and get me to clubs in the top 10. He'll be 24 by the time he's fully fit, so a couple more years in the Champ, and he could lose his way. From his point of view it'll be a great shame if his adopted country doesn't qualify for the World Cup, because 3 or maybe even 4 games could be/have been the great eyeopener. He's nowhere near good enough for a top 10 club. I like Souttar a lot and he's one of the best defenders in this league, but he's slow and not aggressive enough. I can't imagine how he'd deal with the likes of Salah etc. For a man of his height, he should be scoring a lot more goals from set plays as well. Definitely don’t think the man’s slow, in fact I was surprised by how quick he was. Agree re headed goals
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Post by jokker on Mar 25, 2022 15:58:39 GMT
You always have to wonder if this type of statement isn't a bit of a smokescreen. He's not tempted by Villa, Everton, or Burnley, but otherwise it could be a come and get me to clubs in the top 10. He'll be 24 by the time he's fully fit, so a couple more years in the Champ, and he could lose his way. From his point of view it'll be a great shame if his adopted country doesn't qualify for the World Cup, because 3 or maybe even 4 games could be/have been the great eyeopener. He's nowhere near good enough for a top 10 club. I like Souttar a lot and he's one of the best defenders in this league, but he's slow and not aggressive enough. I can't imagine how he'd deal with the likes of Salah etc. For a man of his height, he should be scoring a lot more goals from set plays as well. I agree about his lack of goalscoring - I even think that sometimes when he goes marauding out of defence, she should continue his runs into the box and score from direct play. But whether that or headed goals, it's probably just a matter of a coach and/or manager telling him to for it and to work out special drills that take advantage of his height. But even before his injury I never/rarely had the feeling that the corner takers were kicking the ball to him specifically, and frequently I felt it was just kick and hope, when we had our corners.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 25, 2022 16:03:02 GMT
You always have to wonder if this type of statement isn't a bit of a smokescreen. He's not tempted by Villa, Everton, or Burnley, but otherwise it could be a come and get me to clubs in the top 10. He'll be 24 by the time he's fully fit, so a couple more years in the Champ, and he could lose his way. From his point of view it'll be a great shame if his adopted country doesn't qualify for the World Cup, because 3 or maybe even 4 games could be/have been the great eyeopener. He's nowhere near good enough for a top 10 club. I like Souttar a lot and he's one of the best defenders in this league, but he's slow and not aggressive enough. I can't imagine how he'd deal with the likes of Salah etc. For a man of his height, he should be scoring a lot more goals from set plays as well. Now we have Baker, Souttar might start scoring more from corners. Baker, unlike a lot of others, does actually seem to be able to put the ball where he wants to from corners and free kicks.
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Post by lordb on Mar 25, 2022 16:57:01 GMT
You always have to wonder if this type of statement isn't a bit of a smokescreen. He's not tempted by Villa, Everton, or Burnley, but otherwise it could be a come and get me to clubs in the top 10. He'll be 24 by the time he's fully fit, so a couple more years in the Champ, and he could lose his way. From his point of view it'll be a great shame if his adopted country doesn't qualify for the World Cup, because 3 or maybe even 4 games could be/have been the great eyeopener. He's nowhere near good enough for a top 10 club. I like Souttar a lot and he's one of the best defenders in this league, but he's slow and not aggressive enough. I can't imagine how he'd deal with the likes of Salah etc. For a man of his height, he should be scoring a lot more goals from set plays as well. Agree re goals, should be getting at least 5 or 7 a season Unfair re dealing with Salah, because no one copes with him on a regular basis do they? How many players of that standard to cope with? He's right now good enough for the Premier League (well once he's fit again) once there would venture he'd develop further & end up at a Champions League club or close too When misery moo Mike Pejic touts him for that standard he must be good
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Post by stokebloke on Mar 25, 2022 17:13:46 GMT
The season went to shit when he got injured
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 25, 2022 17:17:14 GMT
The season went to shit when he got injured True. Last season it was Campbell. Who is it next season? I don't think one player makes a team. It just helps paper overa couple of cracks for a while.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 25, 2022 17:22:55 GMT
The season went to shit when he got injured True. Last season it was Campbell. Who is it next season? I don't think one player makes a team. It just helps paper overa couple of cracks for a while. He was integral to us playing out from the back and breaking the lines, it definitely hampered us we should have tried to get a like for like replacement.......
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 25, 2022 17:48:49 GMT
He's nowhere near good enough for a top 10 club. I like Souttar a lot and he's one of the best defenders in this league, but he's slow and not aggressive enough. I can't imagine how he'd deal with the likes of Salah etc. For a man of his height, he should be scoring a lot more goals from set plays as well. Agree re goals, should be getting at least 5 or 7 a season Unfair re dealing with Salah, because no one copes with him on a regular basis do they? How many players of that standard to cope with? He's right now good enough for the Premier League (well once he's fit again) once there would venture he'd develop further & end up at a Champions League club or close too When misery moo Mike Pejic touts him for that standard he must be good The reason I mention Salah is because, if he is going to be effective as a top 10 defender (and now a Champions League defender), he will have to be very good at dealing with players like Salah, or Kane, or Havertz, or Sterling etc etc. When we played Spurs, he was pulled right out of position for Kane's goal. There's such a huge difference between bottom half of the Premier League and the Championship, never mind the top half.
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Post by medwaypotter on Mar 25, 2022 17:52:22 GMT
You always have to wonder if this type of statement isn't a bit of a smokescreen. He's not tempted by Villa, Everton, or Burnley, but otherwise it could be a come and get me to clubs in the top 10. He'll be 24 by the time he's fully fit, so a couple more years in the Champ, and he could lose his way. From his point of view it'll be a great shame if his adopted country doesn't qualify for the World Cup, because 3 or maybe even 4 games could be/have been the great eyeopener. He's nowhere near good enough for a top 10 club. I like Souttar a lot and he's one of the best defenders in this league, but he's slow and not aggressive enough. I can't imagine how he'd deal with the likes of Salah etc. For a man of his height, he should be scoring a lot more goals from set plays as well. Seems to score for Australia alright.
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Post by lordb on Mar 25, 2022 18:14:14 GMT
Agree re goals, should be getting at least 5 or 7 a season Unfair re dealing with Salah, because no one copes with him on a regular basis do they? How many players of that standard to cope with? He's right now good enough for the Premier League (well once he's fit again) once there would venture he'd develop further & end up at a Champions League club or close too When misery moo Mike Pejic touts him for that standard he must be good The reason I mention Salah is because, if he is going to be effective as a top 10 defender (and now a Champions League defender), he will have to be very good at dealing with players like Salah, or Kane, or Havertz, or Sterling etc etc. When we played Spurs, he was pulled right out of position for Kane's goal. There's such a huge difference between bottom half of the Premier League and the Championship, never mind the top half. There is a gap I'd say Souttar is a better player than when we played Spurs
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Post by jokker on Mar 25, 2022 18:41:27 GMT
He's nowhere near good enough for a top 10 club. I like Souttar a lot and he's one of the best defenders in this league, but he's slow and not aggressive enough. I can't imagine how he'd deal with the likes of Salah etc. For a man of his height, he should be scoring a lot more goals from set plays as well. Seems to score for Australia alright. Against inferior teams mostly.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 25, 2022 19:26:09 GMT
He's nowhere near good enough for a top 10 club. I like Souttar a lot and he's one of the best defenders in this league, but he's slow and not aggressive enough. I can't imagine how he'd deal with the likes of Salah etc. For a man of his height, he should be scoring a lot more goals from set plays as well. Seems to score for Australia alright. Ha, he scored against teams like Chinese Tapei. He's 6' 6". I wouldn't fancy him to win aerial duels against Danny Batth to be honest. He's one of my favourite players given how consistent he is and how fast he's developed, but he's unlikely to get a shot at a big club without a good scoring season in the Championship to add to his defensive qualities.
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Post by nonameface on Mar 25, 2022 20:32:03 GMT
Seems to score for Australia alright. Ha, he scored against teams like Chinese Tapei. He's 6' 6". I wouldn't fancy him to win aerial duels against Danny Batth to be honest. He's one of my favourite players given how consistent he is and how fast he's developed, but he's unlikely to get a shot at a big club without a good scoring season in the Championship to add to his defensive qualities. He's pretty decent in the air as you'd expect. In the whole of the EFL for defensive aerial challenges he's got the second highest win percentage. None of our players seem great with heading direction bar Powell and Brown.
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Post by jokker on Mar 25, 2022 23:40:16 GMT
Seems to score for Australia alright. Ha, he scored against teams like Chinese Tapei. He's 6' 6". I wouldn't fancy him to win aerial duels against Danny Batth to be honest. He's one of my favourite players given how consistent he is and how fast he's developed, but he's unlikely to get a shot at a big club without a good scoring season in the Championship to add to his defensive qualities. How many goals did sir Bobby Moore score for England? 2. That didn't stop him from being Pele's least favourite opponent. How many does John Stones score these days? 0. I just don't believe that if a top 10 club, say West Ham, wanted Souttar that they would look at Souttar's scoring record and say 'no good.'
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 26, 2022 0:03:59 GMT
The season went to shit when he got injured True. Last season it was Campbell. Who is it next season? I don't think one player makes a team. It just helps paper overa couple of cracks for a while. Doubt we'd notice if it was sicknote!!!
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 26, 2022 0:46:45 GMT
Ha, he scored against teams like Chinese Tapei. He's 6' 6". I wouldn't fancy him to win aerial duels against Danny Batth to be honest. He's one of my favourite players given how consistent he is and how fast he's developed, but he's unlikely to get a shot at a big club without a good scoring season in the Championship to add to his defensive qualities. How many goals did sir Bobby Moore score for England? 2. That didn't stop him from being Pele's least favourite opponent. How many does John Stones score these days? 0. I just don't believe that if a top 10 club, say West Ham, wanted Souttar that they would look at Souttar's scoring record and say 'no good.' They’d maybe look at his inability to deal with a flat ball over the top and say “no” though. Souttar is very good. It’s just laughable to think he’s even close to the level of top 10 premier league team. Is he anywhere near the level of where Shawcross was in 2010? Not in my opinion he isn’t. Shawcross was never picked up by a bigger club. Is he even close to the level of peak Huth? Absolutely not. I like him a lot, but he’s slow and cumbersome. The reason I brought up goals is because it would offset some major deficiencies. Jagielka at 39 still looks a decent defender at this level and in his first 5 games, he looked better than anyone else on the pitch. Souttar also looks better than many on the pitch. Mitrovic scores for fun in the awful league, but he isn’t going to get signed by Man City next year, is he?
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Post by jokker on Mar 26, 2022 1:15:21 GMT
How many goals did sir Bobby Moore score for England? 2. That didn't stop him from being Pele's least favourite opponent. How many does John Stones score these days? 0. I just don't believe that if a top 10 club, say West Ham, wanted Souttar that they would look at Souttar's scoring record and say 'no good.' They’d maybe look at his inability to deal with a flat ball over the top and say “no” though. Souttar is very good. It’s just laughable to think he’s even close to the level of top 10 premier league team. Is he anywhere near the level of where Shawcross was in 2010? Not in my opinion he isn’t. Shawcross was never picked up by a bigger club. Is he even close to the level of peak Huth? Absolutely not. I like him a lot, but he’s slow and cumbersome. The reason I brought up goals is because it would offset some major deficiencies. Jagielka at 39 still looks a decent defender at this level and in his first 5 games, he looked better than anyone else on the pitch. Souttar also looks better than many on the pitch. Mitrovic scores for fun in the awful league, but he isn’t going to get signed by Man City next year, is he? I said top 10 to differentiate from the bottom clubs, which there'd be no point in joining because he could be playing championship football the season after joining, so he might as well have stayed with us. I didn't say top 4 clubs, because he's not a Champions League player in the making. That said he's a better player than Maguire, so he could be targetted by manure eventually. However he could be a target for clubs like West Ham, as I already said, or Leicester, even if they're not actually top 10 right now. But first he needs to get fit, and as we've seen with long absentees like Allen and Campbell, being given the all clear by the club doctors doesn't automatically mean that he'll be in his best form straight away. It could take up to another year, by which time he'll be 25 going on 26, and suddenly he may be in a hurry yo get his move, if ever he does. We can't really compare Shawcross or Huth, because he has never played in the PL. On the othar hand those two weren't allowed by Pulis to be "playing defenders", which Souttar has had the liberty of at his clubs and country so far. But it's when he plays at the top level we will know whether he's good enough there.
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Post by cvillestokie on Mar 26, 2022 1:37:00 GMT
They’d maybe look at his inability to deal with a flat ball over the top and say “no” though. Souttar is very good. It’s just laughable to think he’s even close to the level of top 10 premier league team. Is he anywhere near the level of where Shawcross was in 2010? Not in my opinion he isn’t. Shawcross was never picked up by a bigger club. Is he even close to the level of peak Huth? Absolutely not. I like him a lot, but he’s slow and cumbersome. The reason I brought up goals is because it would offset some major deficiencies. Jagielka at 39 still looks a decent defender at this level and in his first 5 games, he looked better than anyone else on the pitch. Souttar also looks better than many on the pitch. Mitrovic scores for fun in the awful league, but he isn’t going to get signed by Man City next year, is he? I said top 10 to differentiate from the bottom clubs, which there'd be no point in joining because he could be playing championship football the season after joining, so he might as well have stayed with us. I didn't say top 4 clubs, because he's not a Champions League player in the making. That said he's a better player than Maguire, so he could be targetted by manure eventually. However he could be a target for clubs like West Ham, as I already said, or Leicester, even if they're not actually top 10 right now. But first he needs to get fit, and as we've seen with long absentees like Allen and Campbell, being given the all clear by the club doctors doesn't automatically mean that he'll be in his best form straight away. It could take up to another year, by which time he'll be 25 going on 26, and suddenly he may be in a hurry yo get his move, if ever he does. We can't really compare Shawcross or Huth, because he has never played in the PL. On the othar hand those two weren't allowed by Pulis to be "playing defenders", which Souttar has had the liberty of at his clubs and country so far. But it's when he plays at the top level we will know whether he's good enough there. He’s not a better player than Maguire. Not even close. Maguire has had a pretty torrid season, but he’s also played 41x for England. Souttar wouldn’t even get close. It’s “if” he’ll play at the top level. His next year is likely to be crucial for him. After that he’s approaching peak and he needs to be in the premier league if he is to continue to grow. Others mentioned Champions League on here, so I replied more broadly. That said, as I’ve already given an example in Mitrovic, there is a big difference between the two leagues. Mitrovic has blown this league apart twice now and didn’t do all too much last season. Ivan Toney, Timu Pukki and Ollie Watkins all were far above the Championship, yet they’ve at best, done okay in the Premier League. Souttar was a very good defender in this league, but he wasn’t such a stand out as any of those have been as forwards.
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