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Post by gaznandi on Feb 10, 2022 11:15:20 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 10, 2022 11:25:28 GMT
Nice piece. Again shows how MON has seemingly convinced a young player to continue his career at Stoke.
Potentially back on the field for preseason is a big positive!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 10, 2022 11:46:17 GMT
Shows what we need to do to make players we loan out feel more part of the club too.
He needed loaning out but you’ve got to keep that connection.
Something for the club to work on.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 10, 2022 11:52:05 GMT
Shows what we need to do to make players we loan out feel more part of the club too. He needed loaning out but you’ve got to keep that connection. Something for the club to work on. I agree. I think if players are moving away from the club, they need to be aware of how it will benefit them and that there is a long-term strategy for their development.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 10, 2022 11:52:18 GMT
I found the Sentinel piece a bit strange a few days ago when it said that O'Neill is keeping a squad place open either for the return of Edwards or Souttar being integrated back into the first team for the last few games of the season, was that just journalistic license or is his return potentially going to be earlier than we first feared?
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Post by ross1396 on Feb 10, 2022 11:55:23 GMT
Must say I'm disappointed, opened hoping to see a massive Down Under's Down under.....
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 10, 2022 11:55:32 GMT
Nice piece. Again shows how MON has seemingly convinced a young player to continue his career at Stoke. Potentially back on the field for preseason is a big positive! As you say great piece. What a nice well rounded lad he comes across as, as well. And what shines out from it is how how much influence MoN has had on him and the other young players to stay and play for our club. He might be tactically naive and not brilliant in the transfer market (although January's deals belie that notion) but if he is making young players like Souttar, Campbell and DWP, the future of our club, feel at home and want to stay, then he'll do for me for now. Until Pep becomes available.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 10, 2022 11:58:08 GMT
Shows what we need to do to make players we loan out feel more part of the club too. He needed loaning out but you’ve got to keep that connection. Something for the club to work on. So why has the decision to keep Forrester at the club and hopefully integrate him into first team squads, rather than send him back out on loan, received so much criticism? Isn't that exactly what Souttar is praising MoN for doing with him?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 10, 2022 12:04:16 GMT
Shows what we need to do to make players we loan out feel more part of the club too. He needed loaning out but you’ve got to keep that connection. Something for the club to work on. So why has the decision to keep Forrester at the club and hopefully integrate him into first team squads, rather than send him back out on loan, received so much criticism? Isn't that exactly what Souttar is praising MoN for doing with him? Because he isn't playing and isn't close to playing him? U23 games are no use to him. He needs to playing games in the football league. Souttar came back with that experience and that's what Forrester needs.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 10, 2022 12:11:47 GMT
So why has the decision to keep Forrester at the club and hopefully integrate him into first team squads, rather than send him back out on loan, received so much criticism? Isn't that exactly what Souttar is praising MoN for doing with him? Because he isn't playing and isn't close to playing him? U23 games are no use to him. He needs to playing games in the football league. Souttar came back with that experience and that's what Forrester needs. Did you read the article?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 10, 2022 12:14:43 GMT
Because he isn't playing and isn't close to playing him? U23 games are no use to him. He needs to playing games in the football league. Souttar came back with that experience and that's what Forrester needs. Did you read the article? Yes, great that he had belief but he wasn't ready and the loans helped him massively.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 10, 2022 12:23:48 GMT
Did you read the article? Yes, great that he had belief but he wasn't ready and the loans helped him massively. That wasn't what I meant as you well know. You started a thread at the end of the transfer window, in the OP of which you said that the decision not to send Forrester out on loan again was 'abysmal and detrimental to his development' In the article Souttar quite clearly states that the decision not to send him out on loan made him feel much more part of the club and the 'pep' talk by, presumably, MoN gave him the indication and belief that he would be integrated into the team rather than just continually farmed out and was therefore crucial to his development. How do you know MoN isn't doing the same with Forrester?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 10, 2022 12:28:50 GMT
Yes, great that he had belief but he wasn't ready and the loans helped him massively. That wasn't what I meant as you well know. You started a thread at the end of the transfer window, in the OP of which you said that the decision not to send Forrester out on loan again was 'abysmal and detrimental to his development' In the article Souttar quite clearly states that the decision not to send him out on loan made him feel much more part of the club and the 'pep' talk by, presumably, MoN gave him the indication and belief that he would be integrated into the team rather than just continually farmed out and was therefore crucial to his development. How do you know MoN isn't doing the same with Forrester? I didn't know what you meant That's a very black and white way of looking at it though? Souttar needed those loans and then we bought him into the fold, a bit late but we did. Forrester needs to be playing games over feeling part of the club. He's been since he was 6/7? He might but it's no use if he's not playing for the first team or close to. Which he isn't.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 10, 2022 12:33:32 GMT
That wasn't what I meant as you well know. You started a thread at the end of the transfer window, in the OP of which you said that the decision not to send Forrester out on loan again was 'abysmal and detrimental to his development' In the article Souttar quite clearly states that the decision not to send him out on loan made him feel much more part of the club and the 'pep' talk by, presumably, MoN gave him the indication and belief that he would be integrated into the team rather than just continually farmed out and was therefore crucial to his development. How do you know MoN isn't doing the same with Forrester? I didn't know what you meant That's a very black and white way of looking at it though? Souttar needed those loans and then we bought him into the fold, a bit late but we did. Forrester needs to be playing games over feeling part of the club. He's been since he was 6/7? He might but it's no use if he's not playing for the first team or close to. Which he isn't. Ok. I've said my piece. I'm sure people can make their own minds up. I'm not going to spam this thread which is an up beat positive thread about Souttar arguing any more about Forrester.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 10, 2022 12:44:01 GMT
I didn't know what you meant That's a very black and white way of looking at it though? Souttar needed those loans and then we bought him into the fold, a bit late but we did. Forrester needs to be playing games over feeling part of the club. He's been since he was 6/7? He might but it's no use if he's not playing for the first team or close to. Which he isn't. Ok. I've said my piece. I'm sure people can make their own minds up. I'm not going to spam this thread which is an up beat positive thread about Souttar arguing any more about Forrester. If we hadn't signed Moore or got rid of Chester I think you'd have a point. But he's behind 5 players and I can't imagine will be used until the play off hopes are dead. And maybe not even then.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 10, 2022 12:51:12 GMT
“ For the manager to say I could stay and get a chance was all I needed. Then he kept faith in me. I started to think: ‘You know what, I do belong here and I’m not just being picked to fill a jersey.’ The manager told me I could influence games and start play from the back, that I was important. I could tell myself had a lot of responsibility.” Souttar emphasises “a real solidarity” at Stoke now, and it seems easy to infer that has not always been the case amid relegation from the top flight and the carnage as followed. “
MON out.
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Post by march4 on Feb 10, 2022 13:08:29 GMT
Good article.
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 10, 2022 13:16:19 GMT
Always great pieces in the guardian. By far the best national paper for football intelligent coverage across all the divisions.
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Post by J-Roar on Feb 10, 2022 13:42:00 GMT
Always great pieces in the guardian. By far the best national paper for football intelligent coverage across all the divisions. Pity they lack the Express's depth when it comes to vaccine stories though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 10, 2022 13:43:14 GMT
Always great pieces in the guardian. By far the best national paper for football intelligent coverage across all the divisions. Pity they lack the Express's depth when it comes to vaccine stories though. Did you actually read it? It was quoting a medical journal
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Post by barrythe on Feb 22, 2022 13:05:08 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 22, 2022 13:55:27 GMT
They could easily afford him.
Would still be ok with anything over 8m but if there’s genuine interest then it should be much more.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 22, 2022 14:17:39 GMT
Didn't Zouma cost them 30mil, I'm pretty sure he'd be pocket change for them.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 22, 2022 15:14:30 GMT
They could easily afford him. Would still be ok with anything over 8m but if there’s genuine interest then it should be much more. £8M!!!! Are you serious now!?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 22, 2022 15:23:45 GMT
They could easily afford him. Would still be ok with anything over 8m but if there’s genuine interest then it should be much more. £8M!!!! Are you serious now!? Yes. It's about what he's worth imo. But would hope we get double if a West Ham was interested. Anything over 8m is robbing them imo.
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Post by gawa on Feb 22, 2022 15:38:12 GMT
Just reading the article and I’m not sure if I’m correct with what I’ve picked up here but….
When Michael O’Neil was manager of Brechin City, Jack Souttar (Harry’s dad) was the captain?
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Post by barrythe on Feb 22, 2022 16:06:46 GMT
He was at the start of the season by far our best defender(arguably player too) he's going to come back into a much better defensive unit without liabilities around him. So he will show full well his 18m+ value
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 22, 2022 16:34:13 GMT
£8M!!!! Are you serious now!? Yes. It's about what he's worth imo. But would hope we get double if a West Ham was interested. Anything over 8m is robbing them imo. I'd say anything below £15M and they are robbing us! In addition I wouldn't sell if there weren't installments up to £20M! In my opinion £8M would be ridiculously low.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 22, 2022 17:10:51 GMT
Yes. It's about what he's worth imo. But would hope we get double if a West Ham was interested. Anything over 8m is robbing them imo. I'd say anything below £15M and they are robbing us! In addition I wouldn't sell if there weren't installments up to £20M! In my opinion £8M would be ridiculously low. I like him in this league. Still not convinced he could hack the PL.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 22, 2022 17:44:46 GMT
I'd say anything below £15M and they are robbing us! In addition I wouldn't sell if there weren't installments up to £20M! In my opinion £8M would be ridiculously low. I like him in this league. Still not convinced he could hack the PL. Still has plenty of time for improvement, I think with some fine tuning he could certainly be a premier league player. Let’s not forgot it’s been a pretty steep rise so far, another couple of improvements and he would command a hefty fee. At the moment I would accept no less than say £10-12 million
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