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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 18, 2022 7:41:19 GMT
If Sawyers is the answer I'm not sure what the question ought to be. It's not that often you see a player who's that wank at that many things. Sawyers given Baker’s freedom a better player. Nobody gets the freedom in modern football to just do the bits they like. He’s not just bad at the combative side of the game he simply refuses to take part.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 18, 2022 7:54:15 GMT
Sawyers given Baker’s freedom a better player. Nobody gets the freedom in modern football to just do the bits they like. He’s not just bad at the combative side of the game he simply refuses to take part. Absolutely. Baker doesn’t have any more freedom than Sawyers, plus he’s prepared to actually run and tackle now and again.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 18, 2022 8:02:06 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 18, 2022 8:03:35 GMT
Manager Michael O’Neill said: “Mario came to us and told us how appealing this move was to him and we felt that we could not stand in his way. We wish him every success for the future.”
Sounds like there's some (hopefully small) wage subsidy going on if it's a loan.
Better than keeping a player we didn't really want and wouldn't have retained if he hadn't automatically triggered the extension
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Jun 18, 2022 8:03:40 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 18, 2022 8:03:40 GMT
I liked Vrancic but this is a good move for all parties. He would have only been a bit part player this season. Takes the age of the squad down a bit too.
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Jun 18, 2022 8:03:47 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jun 18, 2022 8:03:47 GMT
Season long loan? Odd terminology.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 18, 2022 8:06:58 GMT
Season long loan? Odd terminology. Probably because we're still having to pay him a chunk of his current deal? The Croatian league must be on its knees financially. Better to pay him a few thousand a week, rather than keep someone we weren't going to use, and ideally wouldn't have retained, though.
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Jun 18, 2022 8:11:08 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 18, 2022 8:11:08 GMT
Odd one. But good luck Mario.
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Post by questionable on Jun 18, 2022 8:12:21 GMT
Season long loan? Odd terminology. Probably because we're still having to pay him a chunk of his current deal? The Croatian league must be on its knees financially. Better to pay him a few thousand a week, rather than keep someone we weren't going to use, and ideally wouldn't have retained, though. Assuming if he asked for the move he’d take what they’re offering and we could take the stance we won’t contribute to any shortfall in salary as you’ve asked to go??
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Jun 18, 2022 8:13:09 GMT
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Post by a on Jun 18, 2022 8:13:09 GMT
Why would we trigger the extra year then let him leave for free? It makes no sense, if we didn't want him we wouldn't of resigned him. At any other club I’d agree, but this is Stoke City, we’re all arse about face 😂
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Jun 18, 2022 8:14:09 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 18, 2022 8:14:09 GMT
Nobody gets the freedom in modern football to just do the bits they like. He’s not just bad at the combative side of the game he simply refuses to take part. Absolutely. Baker doesn’t have any more freedom than Sawyers, plus he’s prepared to actually run and tackle now and again. Don’t really get how folk think his overall contribution is ok. Maybe he should try basketball second thoughts he can’t/won’t jump either.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 18, 2022 8:17:40 GMT
Probably because we're still having to pay him a chunk of his current deal? The Croatian league must be on its knees financially. Better to pay him a few thousand a week, rather than keep someone we weren't going to use, and ideally wouldn't have retained, though. Assuming if he asked for the move he’d take what they’re offering and we could take the stance we won’t contribute to any shortfall in salary as you’ve asked to go?? This makes it pretty clear we didn't really want to keep him though It's probably in our interests to get rid of the bulk of his salary in that case and use the money elsewhere on players we actively want. Every penny counts in our current financial situation. Getting rid of maybe 75% of the wages of a player we wouldn't have kept if he hadn't automatically triggered an extra 12 months once he played his 25th or 30th game, seems a no-brainer. Once he played X games last season, we didn't have a choice and the extra 12 months were inked in. And this proves that we wouldn't have given him those extra 12 months voluntarily.
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Post by wuzza on Jun 18, 2022 8:21:12 GMT
Nothing against the player who was clearly talented but this is the type of move that’s got to happen. We need more 90 minute 40 odd games a season players. Consistent contributors that we can rely on and build on. For far too long the club has been running on bit part players meaning we never know what’s going to be produced from week to week.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 18, 2022 8:25:03 GMT
Season long loan? Odd terminology. Probably because we're still having to pay him a chunk of his current deal? The Croatian league must be on its knees financially. Better to pay him a few thousand a week, rather than keep someone we weren't going to use, and ideally wouldn't have retained, though. Still a bit weird that we will have to pay him anything if he asks for the move I think!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 18, 2022 8:27:54 GMT
Assuming if he asked for the move he’d take what they’re offering and we could take the stance we won’t contribute to any shortfall in salary as you’ve asked to go?? This makes it pretty clear we didn't really want to keep him though It's probably in our interests to get rid of the bulk of his salary in that case and use the money elsewhere on players we actively want. Every penny counts in our current financial situation. Getting rid of maybe 75% of the wages of a player we wouldn't have kept if he hadn't automatically triggered an extra 12 months once he played his 25th or 30th game, seems a no-brainer. Once he played X games last season, we didn't have a choice and the extra 12 months were inked in. And this proves that we wouldn't have given him those extra 12 months voluntarily. Nice player but our midfield needs to be rebalanced towards a much more combative unit. Filling you team with good footballers is a nice idea but English football is very physical compared with most other countries in Europe, size power, aggression and stamina matters. Being technically good is just not enough.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 18, 2022 8:31:34 GMT
Looking at their stadium (capacity 8000), they don't seem the type who'd afford a major wage contribution!
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 18, 2022 8:38:17 GMT
Assuming if he asked for the move he’d take what they’re offering and we could take the stance we won’t contribute to any shortfall in salary as you’ve asked to go?? This makes it pretty clear we didn't really want to keep him though It's probably in our interests to get rid of the bulk of his salary in that case and use the money elsewhere on players we actively want. Every penny counts in our current financial situation. Getting rid of maybe 75% of the wages of a player we wouldn't have kept if he hadn't automatically triggered an extra 12 months once he played his 25th or 30th game, seems a no-brainer. Once he played X games last season, we didn't have a choice and the extra 12 months were inked in. And this proves that we wouldn't have given him those extra 12 months voluntarily. I don’t remember us being in a position where we had to play him out of necessity though? So it falls on the manager playing him that many games eg etebo or badou playing well abroad, but when they got close to that trigger they were dropped as to not activate it.
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 18, 2022 8:39:47 GMT
Looking at their stadium (capacity 8000), they don't seem the type who'd afford a major wage contribution! On a side note, HNK Rejica have a left winger straight out of the arnie mould that I would love us to sign called Lovric Edit - now plays for NK Osijek.
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Post by Gods on Jun 18, 2022 8:41:25 GMT
Why would we trigger the extra year then let him leave for free? It makes no sense, if we didn't want him we wouldn't of resigned him. At any other club I’d agree, but this is Stoke City, we’re all arse about face 😂 I read it that the extra year triggered itself, he made enough appearances to automatically trigger it per the terms of the contract signed when he joined.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 18, 2022 8:43:09 GMT
This makes it pretty clear we didn't really want to keep him though It's probably in our interests to get rid of the bulk of his salary in that case and use the money elsewhere on players we actively want. Every penny counts in our current financial situation. Getting rid of maybe 75% of the wages of a player we wouldn't have kept if he hadn't automatically triggered an extra 12 months once he played his 25th or 30th game, seems a no-brainer. Once he played X games last season, we didn't have a choice and the extra 12 months were inked in. And this proves that we wouldn't have given him those extra 12 months voluntarily. I don’t remember us being in a position where we had to play him out of necessity though? So it falls on the manager playing him that many games eg etebo or badou playing well abroad, but when they got close to that trigger they were dropped as to not activate it. It's difficult to say without knowing what the appearance trigger was. He'd already played 20 games by Christmas - and was looking a very good player at that point. I remember people asking if we definitely had an option to tie him down for a second year.
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 18, 2022 9:06:09 GMT
Did a job, never looked the same after Christmas post injury. Thanks and time to move on. Should do well in Croatia.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 18, 2022 9:11:32 GMT
I think people massively overrated him from the get go anyway.
He was clearly a very very good footballer but had 5 good minutes of magic and then nothing else.
We definitely need someone else in though that can be creative like him as back up to Powell.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 18, 2022 9:25:20 GMT
Nothing against the player who was clearly talented but this is the type of move that’s got to happen. We need more 90 minute 40 odd games a season players. Consistent contributors that we can rely on and build on. For far too long the club has been running on bit part players meaning we never know what’s going to be produced from week to week. ….. and as much as we all want that to change, it will be this way for a good few years.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Jun 18, 2022 9:27:58 GMT
I'll miss Mario, classy player on his day and was different gravy first few months of the season. Age has definitely caught up with him, but it's a good move for him.
I'll miss singing the Mariooooo song too
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Post by wuzza on Jun 18, 2022 9:29:36 GMT
As a slight by product of this has our overseas roster been as low as this since Loek Ursem days ?? Apart from our Scottish ‘Australian’ I cant off the top of my head think of anyone.
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Post by lancashirelad on Jun 18, 2022 9:30:06 GMT
Thanks for your cameo appearances and vision for a pass.
The disappointing issue is if we are subsidising his wages as mentioned above Stoke appear to very honourable if so looking after the player rather than their own interests (again).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 18, 2022 9:31:38 GMT
Thanks for your cameo appearances and vision for a pass. The disappointing issue is if we are subsidising his wages as mentioned above Stoke appear to very honourable if so looking after the player rather than their own interests (again). Or it’s the best offer we could get?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 18, 2022 9:35:33 GMT
I think people massively overrated him from the get go anyway. He was clearly a very very good footballer but had 5 good minutes of magic and then nothing else. We definitely need someone else in though that can be creative like him as back up to Powell. I'd be happy enough with Barker shifted to a more advanced position to cover. It all depends on the formation he's trying to play. If it's 433 then Powell is more suited to one of the front three positions than the midfield 3. If Powell won't commit to a longer contract we should be actively looking to sell him anyway.
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Post by crouchbot on Jun 18, 2022 9:38:06 GMT
As a slight by product of this has our overseas roster been as low as this since Loek Ursem days ?? Apart from our Scottish ‘Australian’ I cant off the top of my head think of anyone. Not far off, we still have Etebo, Afobe and Blondy although you could see a scenario where all aren’t here by the end of August. Then there’s the young lad Sy in the u23s. A guess there’s the potential for Sawywers and Nyambe if they joined.
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Post by Squeekster on Jun 18, 2022 9:50:21 GMT
At any other club I’d agree, but this is Stoke City, we’re all arse about face 😂 I read it that the extra year triggered itself, he made enough appearances to automatically trigger it per the terms of the contract signed when he joined. I think it's been reported that was the case gods.
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