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Post by wuzza on Jul 5, 2022 8:44:36 GMT
Happy birthday gaffer.... Happy Birthday MON ! Its my old Dads 90th today - near on 80 years since his first Stoke game heaven help him 🙂
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 5, 2022 8:45:44 GMT
The fundamental problem with your argument is that you are assuming properly compiled statistical evidence is more accurate and reliable than Bayern's opinion. Good luck with that.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 5, 2022 8:54:17 GMT
The fundamental problem with your argument is that you are assuming properly compiled statistical evidence is more accurate and reliable than Bayern's opinion. Good luck with that. Wouldn’t trust anything that said Brown has ability to use both feet well. If they said use both feet equally poorly I think they might be onto something. Good athlete poor footballer.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 5, 2022 8:55:25 GMT
The fundamental problem with your argument is that you are assuming properly compiled statistical evidence is more accurate and reliable than Bayern's opinion. Good luck with that. I think this adjective is a perfect description for a certain poster….Ultracrepidarian. Roughly translated as “noting or pertaining to a person who criticises, judges or gives advice outside the area of his or her expertise”
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 5, 2022 9:07:35 GMT
The fundamental problem with your argument is that you are assuming properly compiled statistical evidence is more accurate and reliable than Bayern's opinion. Good luck with that. I think this adjective is a perfect description for a certain poster….Ultracrepidarian. Roughly translated as “noting or pertaining to a person who criticises, judges or gives advice outside the area of his or her expertise” Isn't that 99.9% of us on here? Your views on Mark Hughes would fall into the same category...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2022 9:35:52 GMT
Use both feet? What? Reactive finisher yes. But he ain't quick and he barely use his left!
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 5, 2022 9:40:10 GMT
Over 30-50 yards I’d bet that Tymon is the quickest player in the squad. Tymon-sprint 5 metres-STOP and repeat! Not going get you anywhere, you need to keep going. McClean upgrade!!! Brown-Slow to average, definitely not rapid!! Campbell-great footballer but unfortunately lost some pace due to injury, hopefully that returns!!! O’Neill coaches this stop start stop start football. Going nowhere with him in charge!!!!! Ok but that’s not what you were saying in the first instance though duck.
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Post by hyaduck on Jul 5, 2022 9:46:23 GMT
Tymon-sprint 5 metres-STOP and repeat! Not going get you anywhere, you need to keep going. McClean upgrade!!! Brown-Slow to average, definitely not rapid!! Campbell-great footballer but unfortunately lost some pace due to injury, hopefully that returns!!! O’Neill coaches this stop start stop start football. Going nowhere with him in charge!!!!! Ok but that’s not what you were saying in the first instance though duck. Doesn’t matter youth, move on!!!!
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 5, 2022 9:52:06 GMT
Use both feet? What? Reactive finisher yes. But he ain't quick and he barely use his left! I thought Brown looked quicker last season than in the first one for us. Maybe this has just as much to do with his inderstanding of the game, which he has developped, but last season I often noticed that his pace created problems for defenders, this hardly happened in his first season for us.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 5, 2022 9:59:23 GMT
Not at all youth!! For the last three years (since the dinosaur took over-coincidence isn’t it) we’ve had NO PACE!! What makes you think his get to the half way line, stop turn back, pass sideways then back to the keeper tactics have changed!!!!! I’m not having that duck: Tymon Matondo Brown Campbell Doughty All rapid quick players. I’m not saying they are any good, but your taking shit if your saying the manager hasn’t tried to add pace into the team. Brown is far from rapid, not slow but he's just willing and will keep going.
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Post by a on Jul 5, 2022 10:46:08 GMT
I’m not having that duck: Tymon Matondo Brown Campbell Doughty All rapid quick players. I’m not saying they are any good, but your taking shit if your saying the manager hasn’t tried to add pace into the team. Brown is far from rapid, not slow but he's just willing and will keep going. Similar to if not slightly quicker than Walters. Hope he gets somewhere nearly as strong as him, Jon was a powerhouse
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Post by independent on Jul 5, 2022 11:19:29 GMT
I think this adjective is a perfect description for a certain poster….Ultracrepidarian. Roughly translated as “noting or pertaining to a person who criticises, judges or gives advice outside the area of his or her expertise” Isn't that 99.9% of us on here? Your views on Mark Hughes would fall into the same category... At least 99.9%
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Post by independent on Jul 5, 2022 11:24:04 GMT
Ok but that’s not what you were saying in the first instance though duck. Doesn’t matter youth, move on!!!! you are not admitting that what you say doesn't matter, are you? Really
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 5, 2022 11:33:16 GMT
I think this adjective is a perfect description for a certain poster….Ultracrepidarian. Roughly translated as “noting or pertaining to a person who criticises, judges or gives advice outside the area of his or her expertise” Isn't that 99.9% of us on here? Your views on Mark Hughes would fall into the same category... QPR…..Stoke City. Fully complicit in the downfall of both clubs. That’s factual not an opinion or is it simply a coincidence?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 5, 2022 11:40:08 GMT
Isn't that 99.9% of us on here? Your views on Mark Hughes would fall into the same category... QPR…..Stoke City. Fully complicit in the downfall of both clubs. That’s factual not an opinion or is it simply a coincidence? I mean it's not an empirical fact is it? It's an opinion and IMO a valid one, but an opinion nevertheless. Yet you, me and most on here don't know the full details of what went on in either case, which is the exact same thing you're accusing Bayern of. It's neither your nor my 'area of expertise' either is it? And that's without the myopia of said 'opinion' which ignores the good job he did at Blackburn, Wales and Fulham and the good job he did in his first few seasons here. But that's by the by.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 5, 2022 11:55:11 GMT
QPR…..Stoke City.  Fully complicit in the downfall of both clubs.  That’s factual not an opinion or is it simply a coincidence? I mean it's not an empirical fact is it? It's an opinion and IMO a valid one, but an opinion nevertheless. Yet you, me and most on here don't know the full details of what went on in either case, which is the exact same thing you're accusing Bayern of. It's neither your nor my 'area of expertise' either is it? And that's without the myopia of said 'opinion' which ignores the good job he did at Blackburn, Wales and Fulham and the good job he did in his first few seasons here. But that's by the by. Both had weak boardrooms also.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jul 5, 2022 12:14:23 GMT
I’m not having that duck: Tymon Matondo Brown Campbell Doughty All rapid quick players. I’m not saying they are any good, but your taking shit if your saying the manager hasn’t tried to add pace into the team. Brown is far from rapid, not slow but he's just willing and will keep going. This exactly. Not slow, not rapid, somewhere in between with great athleticism.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 12:25:23 GMT
Isn't that 99.9% of us on here? Your views on Mark Hughes would fall into the same category... QPR…..Stoke City.  Fully complicit in the downfall of both clubs.  That’s factual not an opinion or is it simply a coincidence? He finished in the top 10 with every full season he had with a club. You failed to mention that including 3 with us and 3 with Blackburn. I think both clubs would take that now. He also kept QPR up and wasn't the sole reason for their position. Wouldn't call that a 'downfall'
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 5, 2022 12:29:41 GMT
Brown is far from rapid, not slow but he's just willing and will keep going. This exactly. Not slow, not rapid, somewhere in between with great athleticism. I don't know what the stats are but I would suspect that rapid players don't have the stamina to run all match. It's like comparing a 10,000 metre runner with a 100m sprinter. The 10000 metre runner would still be faster than you and me.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 5, 2022 14:04:49 GMT
QPR…..Stoke City. Fully complicit in the downfall of both clubs. That’s factual not an opinion or is it simply a coincidence? He finished in the top 10 with every full season he had with a club. You failed to mention that including 3 with us and 3 with Blackburn. I think both clubs would take that now. He also kept QPR up and wasn't the sole reason for their position. Wouldn't call that a 'downfall' 3 x 10 finishes. Respectful placings but not really worthy of being in the record books like promotions, cup finals etc. I would take 14th/15th in the EPL for the past 4/5 years rather than the Championship.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 14:10:43 GMT
He finished in the top 10 with every full season he had with a club. You failed to mention that including 3 with us and 3 with Blackburn. I think both clubs would take that now. He also kept QPR up and wasn't the sole reason for their position. Wouldn't call that a 'downfall' 3 x 10 finishes.  Respectful placings  but not really worthy of being in the record books like promotions, cup finals etc.  I would take 14th/15th in the EPL for the past 4/5 years rather than the Championship.  A promotion is better than a high finish in the top division?....ok I think finishing in the top 10 , 3 years in a row is well worthy of being in the record books as we'd never achieved it before in our lengthy history despite so many telling us how much better these previous teams were . I doubt is s football fan alive who wouldn't take Premier League over below mid table Championship. Don't really see the relevance of the comment
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 5, 2022 14:41:41 GMT
3 x 10 finishes. Respectful placings but not really worthy of being in the record books like promotions, cup finals etc. I would take 14th/15th in the EPL for the past 4/5 years rather than the Championship. A promotion is better than a high finish in the top division?....ok I think finishing in the top 10 , 3 years in a row is well worthy of being in the record books as we'd never achieved it before in our lengthy history despite so many telling us how much better these previous teams were . I doubt is s football fan alive who wouldn't take Premier League over below mid table Championship. Don't really see the relevance of the comment It’s interesting to look at the league tables and see the fine margins there were between finishing 9th and around 13th which was a respectable and solid league finish. I think the 2014/2015 finish had the biggest margin of about 6 points clear of 10th. The others were by about 1 point. Even in TP’s last season after a dreadful start to 2013 we only finished 4 points short of the holy grail of 9th. We drew to many games. Losses were on par with the losses of 3 x 9 finishes. As I said I would have been quite happy with respectable sold finishing positions for sustainability of EPL football.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 14:46:46 GMT
A promotion is better than a high finish in the top division?....ok I think finishing in the top 10 , 3 years in a row is well worthy of being in the record books as we'd never achieved it before in our lengthy history despite so many telling us how much better these previous teams were . I doubt is s football fan alive who wouldn't take Premier League over below mid table Championship. Don't really see the relevance of the comment It’s interesting to look at the league tables and see the fine margins there were between finishing 9th and around 13th which was a respectable and solid league finish.  I think the 2014/2015 finish had the biggest margin of about 6 points clear of 10th.  The others were by about 1 point.  Even in TP’s last season after a dreadful start to 2013 we only finished 4 points short of the holy grail of 9th.  We drew to many games.  Losses were on par with the losses of 3 x 9 finishes.  As I said I would have been quite happy with respectable sold finishing positions for sustainability of EPL football.  Wasn't a co-incidence or luck we did it 3 times. Finished there on merit over the season no matter which way you choose to take it apart to suit an agenda. Irrelevant if we finished 1 point above those below us or 10.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 5, 2022 15:00:20 GMT
#oneilout
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 5, 2022 15:02:10 GMT
I think this adjective is a perfect description for a certain poster….Ultracrepidarian. Roughly translated as “noting or pertaining to a person who criticises, judges or gives advice outside the area of his or her expertise” Isn't that 99.9% of us on here? Your views on Mark Hughes would fall into the same category... Not quite. 100% of people on here express opinions outside their area of expertise. However not 100% of people on here believe their opinion on matters where they have no training or real world experience is superior to those that do.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 5, 2022 15:10:13 GMT
A promotion is better than a high finish in the top division?....ok I think finishing in the top 10 , 3 years in a row is well worthy of being in the record books as we'd never achieved it before in our lengthy history despite so many telling us how much better these previous teams were . I doubt is s football fan alive who wouldn't take Premier League over below mid table Championship. Don't really see the relevance of the comment It’s interesting to look at the league tables and see the fine margins there were between finishing 9th and around 13th which was a respectable and solid league finish.  I think the 2014/2015 finish had the biggest margin of about 6 points clear of 10th.  The others were by about 1 point.  Even in TP’s last season after a dreadful start to 2013 we only finished 4 points short of the holy grail of 9th.  We drew to many games.  Losses were on par with the losses of 3 x 9 finishes.  As I said I would have been quite happy with respectable sold finishing positions for sustainability of EPL football.  Be interesting as to what you think would have guaranteed sold finishing positions for sustainability of EFL football. I can guess like but I just like people posting complete horseshit.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 5, 2022 19:29:03 GMT
It’s interesting to look at the league tables and see the fine margins there were between finishing 9th and around 13th which was a respectable and solid league finish. I think the 2014/2015 finish had the biggest margin of about 6 points clear of 10th. The others were by about 1 point. Even in TP’s last season after a dreadful start to 2013 we only finished 4 points short of the holy grail of 9th. We drew to many games. Losses were on par with the losses of 3 x 9 finishes. As I said I would have been quite happy with respectable sold finishing positions for sustainability of EPL football. Be interesting as to what you think would have guaranteed sold finishing positions for sustainability of EFL football. I can guess like but I just like people posting complete horseshit. Explain “posting horseshit”. I was only saying that fine margins put us in 9th place bar 1 season. Plus I’d prefer to be in the EPL watching world class footballers at the Brit and registering 13th/14th security each season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 5, 2022 19:39:20 GMT
Be interesting as to what you think would have guaranteed sold finishing positions for sustainability of EFL football. I can guess like but I just like people posting complete horseshit. Explain “posting horseshit”. I was only saying that fine margins put us in 9th place bar 1 season. Plus I’d prefer to be in the EPL watching world class footballers at the Brit and registering 13th/14th security each season. That’s the nonsense though isn’t it? It never works that way - if you stand still you stagnate. There’s no correlation between us doing well and finishing 9th and then crashing and burning. The mistake wasn’t appointing Hughes, it was not sacking him soon enough. You talk about fine margins but why was this apparent disaster of a manager able to finish higher than his sainted predecessor ever was?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 5, 2022 20:19:52 GMT
Be interesting as to what you think would have guaranteed sold finishing positions for sustainability of EFL football. I can guess like but I just like people posting complete horseshit.  Explain “posting horseshit”.  I was only saying that fine margins put us in 9th place bar 1 season.  Plus I’d prefer to be in the EPL watching world class footballers at the Brit and registering 13th/14th security each season.  So explain how we could have guaranteed sustained EPL football. Horseshit delivery expected.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 5, 2022 22:05:10 GMT
Explain “posting horseshit”. I was only saying that fine margins put us in 9th place bar 1 season. Plus I’d prefer to be in the EPL watching world class footballers at the Brit and registering 13th/14th security each season. So explain how we could have guaranteed sustained EPL football. Horseshit delivery expected. I bow to your obvious superiority and knowledge of football and in particular Stoke City. “Horseshit delivery” provided as expected.
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