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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 20, 2022 6:48:37 GMT
Really illustrates the monumental task that’s had to be undertaken at the club, not only since relegation but also to undo the terrible failure that was administered in the panic of trying to go straight back up. For all the moaners… it’s evident that we’ve still not really plateaued onto an even keel yet to even start a rebuild. Personally I find it quite amazing the job that’s been done by MoN, has the footy been dire for a lot of it - yeah sure, have we been disappointed with a lot of results - of course but the squad is completely being transformed and we’ve had a few flirts with the playoffs. For me my expectations are that this season is now ground zero, bed in some decent foundations and have a good go at the playoffs with there still being scope to build for next season and a definite promotion. If that doesn’t happen we look at another manager. He’s made the squad worse. Well done MON 😂
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 20, 2022 7:20:09 GMT
Really illustrates the monumental task that’s had to be undertaken at the club, not only since relegation but also to undo the terrible failure that was administered in the panic of trying to go straight back up. For all the moaners… it’s evident that we’ve still not really plateaued onto an even keel yet to even start a rebuild. Personally I find it quite amazing the job that’s been done by MoN, has the footy been dire for a lot of it - yeah sure, have we been disappointed with a lot of results - of course but the squad is completely being transformed and we’ve had a few flirts with the playoffs. For me my expectations are that this season is now ground zero, bed in some decent foundations and have a good go at the playoffs with there still being scope to build for next season and a definite promotion. If that doesn’t happen we look at another manager. There’s no way he should get another season after this without some drastic improvement in results and or football. If he chooses shit dour football again and fails that’s got to be it.
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Post by thehoof on Jun 20, 2022 8:37:52 GMT
The last time I felt this depressed before the season started was 2007/8 and we’d just signed a 3rd string Man Utd Centre Half for the opening game at Cardiff. In the end, it didn’t turn out too bad, but although I was never a Pulis Rimmer, he had a plan and stuck to it. After 3 and a bit years, I have no idea as to what MON’s plan is although I am suspicious that it might involve a lot of binary results.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 20, 2022 8:48:55 GMT
The last time I felt this depressed before the season started was 2007/8 and we’d just signed a 3rd string Man Utd Centre Half for the opening game at Cardiff. In the end, it didn’t turn out too bad, but although I was never a Pulis Rimmer, he had a plan and stuck to it. After 3 and a bit years, I have no idea as to what MON’s plan is although I am suspicious that it might involve a lot of binary results. He has to know that the only way that will be tolerated is by tangible success. There's only one thing worse than boring football that's unsuccessful boring football.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jun 20, 2022 8:49:45 GMT
The last time I felt this depressed before the season started was 2007/8 and we’d just signed a 3rd string Man Utd Centre Half for the opening game at Cardiff. In the end, it didn’t turn out too bad, but although I was never a Pulis Rimmer, he had a plan and stuck to it. After 3 and a bit years, I have no idea as to what MON’s plan is although I am suspicious that it might involve a lot of binary results.1st year is a write off because he did what was expected of him. But I feel the exact same as you. I have no clue what his plans are either, other than the obvious. But more in terms of our identity, the style we play etc. I'm completely lost what he is trying to achieve. If someone asked me "How do Stoke City play?" I wouldn't be able to give them a clear answer.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 20, 2022 8:50:59 GMT
The last time I felt this depressed before the season started was 2007/8 and we’d just signed a 3rd string Man Utd Centre Half for the opening game at Cardiff. In the end, it didn’t turn out too bad, but although I was never a Pulis Rimmer, he had a plan and stuck to it. After 3 and a bit years, I have no idea as to what MON’s plan is although I am suspicious that it might involve a lot of binary results.1st year is a write off because he did what was expected of him. But I feel the exact same as you. I have no clue what his plans are either, other than the obvious. But more in terms of our identity, the style we play etc. I'm completely lost what he is trying to achieve. If someone asked me "How do Stoke City play?" I wouldn't be able to give them a clear answer. Slowly.
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Post by tqstokie on Jun 20, 2022 9:10:47 GMT
Yes, take your time answering!
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Jun 20, 2022 9:19:42 GMT
We need pace. PACE.
Enough with signing defenders that can pass sideways. We’re not an international team. Teams that can attack with pace get promoted.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 20, 2022 9:42:20 GMT
The last time I felt this depressed before the season started was 2007/8 and we’d just signed a 3rd string Man Utd Centre Half for the opening game at Cardiff. In the end, it didn’t turn out too bad, but although I was never a Pulis Rimmer, he had a plan and stuck to it. After 3 and a bit years, I have no idea as to what MON’s plan is although I am suspicious that it might involve a lot of binary results. His plan is obvious! He's already said next summer we'll be in a better place financially! 😬 Now that's depressing....
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Post by nottsover60 on Jun 20, 2022 13:27:48 GMT
The last time I felt this depressed before the season started was 2007/8 and we’d just signed a 3rd string Man Utd Centre Half for the opening game at Cardiff. In the end, it didn’t turn out too bad, but although I was never a Pulis Rimmer, he had a plan and stuck to it. After 3 and a bit years, I have no idea as to what MON’s plan is although I am suspicious that it might involve a lot of binary results. His plan is obvious! He's already said next summer we'll be in a better place financially! 😬 Now that's depressing.... I was told over the weekend by a fairly reliable source although admittedly one who hates Stoke, that we are one of 7 Championship clubs appealing a points deduction. At least if there are 6 others we won't start on our own with negative points but I guess promotion looks a long way off so there isn't much point in splashing the cash this summer.
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 3, 2022 9:04:28 GMT
Sorry if this has been posted before, just happened across this which provides an interesting insight into MONs knowledge. Watching it I’m thinking, wow what a manager and I do recall that game fondly. Then memories of some of the not so good stuff come back. He’s still a bit of an enigma for me, but I’m desperate for him to make things work.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 3, 2022 9:44:46 GMT
His plan is obvious! He's already said next summer we'll be in a better place financially! 😬 Now that's depressing.... I was told over the weekend by a fairly reliable source although admittedly one who hates Stoke, that we are one of 7 Championship clubs appealing a points deduction. At least if there are 6 others we won't start on our own with negative points but I guess promotion looks a long way off so there isn't much point in splashing the cash this summer. Surely that can’t be true the efl negotiated Derby & Reading’s non administration points deductions and this was known to be happening before any outcome. It would be the complete opposite if points deductions had been handed down without negotiation and were already being appealed. Maybe we have been identified as breaching and negotiations are already going on behind the scenes.
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 3, 2022 10:03:58 GMT
I was told over the weekend by a fairly reliable source although admittedly one who hates Stoke, that we are one of 7 Championship clubs appealing a points deduction. At least if there are 6 others we won't start on our own with negative points but I guess promotion looks a long way off so there isn't much point in splashing the cash this summer. Surely that can’t be true the efl negotiated Derby & Reading’s non administration points deductions and this was known to be happening before any outcome. It would be the complete opposite if points deductions had been handed down without negotiation and were already being appealed. Maybe we have been identified as breaching and negotiations are already going on behind the scenes. I suspect it’s bullshit. If a random person knows, then you can guarantee the press would know. And if the press know, it would be out there already.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 3, 2022 11:00:19 GMT
Surely that can’t be true the efl negotiated Derby & Reading’s non administration points deductions and this was known to be happening before any outcome. It would be the complete opposite if points deductions had been handed down without negotiation and were already being appealed. Maybe we have been identified as breaching and negotiations are already going on behind the scenes. I suspect it’s bullshit. If a random person knows, then you can guarantee the press would know. And if the press know, it would be out there already. Exactly mate. If this random person, who hates Stoke and therefore is unlikely to be an insider, knows, plenty of other people would know and it would have been widely rumoured at least. Smacks of bristoldickheadinpiss to me.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 3, 2022 11:09:54 GMT
I suspect it’s bullshit. If a random person knows, then you can guarantee the press would know. And if the press know, it would be out there already. Exactly mate. If this random person, who hates Stoke and therefore is unlikely to be an insider, knows plenty of other people would know and it would have been widely rumoured at least. Smacks of bristoldickheadinpiss to me. There has been reports since January in fairness that have listed 7 Championship clubs facing deduction. He's probably just read that and not ITK. Example www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2022/01/12/bristol-city-facing-points-deduction-transfer-market-collapse/
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 3, 2022 19:17:56 GMT
All nonsense the previous chief executive left us in a fantastic position and that was only January he even said do himself
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 4, 2022 11:08:51 GMT
I was told over the weekend by a fairly reliable source although admittedly one who hates Stoke, that we are one of 7 Championship clubs appealing a points deduction. At least if there are 6 others we won't start on our own with negative points but I guess promotion looks a long way off so there isn't much point in splashing the cash this summer. Surely that can’t be true the efl negotiated Derby & Reading’s non administration points deductions and this was known to be happening before any outcome. It would be the complete opposite if points deductions had been handed down without negotiation and were already being appealed. Maybe we have been identified as breaching and negotiations are already going on behind the scenes. I think that is what he was implying - said there were 6 championship clubs including Stoke in discussion with EPL hoping to avoid a points deduction. Apparently our losses attributed to covid are under scrutiny.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 4, 2022 11:24:39 GMT
Surely that can’t be true the efl negotiated Derby & Reading’s non administration points deductions and this was known to be happening before any outcome. It would be the complete opposite if points deductions had been handed down without negotiation and were already being appealed. Maybe we have been identified as breaching and negotiations are already going on behind the scenes. I think that is what he was implying - said there were 6 championship clubs including Stoke in discussion with EPL hoping to avoid a points deduction. Apparently our losses attributed to covid are under scrutiny. Always looked a bit optimistic wonder if the deputy chair of the premier league will resign as a matter of principal if we do get a deduction for breaching euafa fair play rules under his jurisdiction
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 4, 2022 11:25:35 GMT
Surely that can’t be true the efl negotiated Derby & Reading’s non administration points deductions and this was known to be happening before any outcome. It would be the complete opposite if points deductions had been handed down without negotiation and were already being appealed. Maybe we have been identified as breaching and negotiations are already going on behind the scenes. I think that is what he was implying - said there were 6 championship clubs including Stoke in discussion with EPL hoping to avoid a points deduction. Apparently our losses attributed to covid are under scrutiny. Not remotely surprised if they are. I’m a fan and concluded they were a work of fantasy. Wimmer for instance was virtually worthless before anyone had even heard of covid.
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Post by hyaduck on Jul 4, 2022 11:32:55 GMT
We need pace. PACE. Enough with signing defenders that can pass sideways. We’re not an international team. Teams that can attack with pace get promoted. Someone who knows the game and speaks sense. Finally!!!!!
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Jul 4, 2022 12:04:33 GMT
We need pace. PACE. Enough with signing defenders that can pass sideways. We’re not an international team. Teams that can attack with pace get promoted. Someone who knows the game and speaks sense. Finally!!!!! Spot on, pace kills, that's why no one fears us. Wake up O.Neil!
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Post by gawa on Jul 4, 2022 12:14:47 GMT
Have we not just recently signed some pacey players? Or is what I’ve read incorrect?
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Post by hyaduck on Jul 4, 2022 13:42:04 GMT
Have we not just recently signed some pacey players? Or is what I’ve read incorrect? What you read is incorrect!!!!!
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Post by lordb on Jul 4, 2022 14:02:23 GMT
Have we not just recently signed some pacey players? Or is what I’ve read incorrect? What you read is incorrect!!!!! The young lad from Leeds is very quick Lauren is qickish Flint is super slow Don’t know about the Irish lad from Villa but as he's a DM pace isn't the issue in that role
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Post by gawa on Jul 4, 2022 14:44:12 GMT
What you read is incorrect!!!!! The young lad from Leeds is very quick Lauren is qickish Flint is super slow Don’t know about the Irish lad from Villa but as he's a DM pace isn't the issue in that role Is Clark not meant to be quick too?
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jul 4, 2022 17:20:12 GMT
What you read is incorrect!!!!! The young lad from Leeds is very quick Lauren is qickish Flint is super slow Don’t know about the Irish lad from Villa but as he's a DM pace isn't the issue in that role Isn't the dm from Bournemouth lord? Sorry to be pedantic.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 4, 2022 17:28:34 GMT
The young lad from Leeds is very quick Lauren is qickish Flint is super slow Don’t know about the Irish lad from Villa but as he's a DM pace isn't the issue in that role Isn't the dm from Bournemouth lord? Sorry to be pedantic. Ooo, ya pedantic bastard ya!!!
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Post by lordb on Jul 4, 2022 18:07:42 GMT
The young lad from Leeds is very quick Lauren is qickish Flint is super slow Don’t know about the Irish lad from Villa but as he's a DM pace isn't the issue in that role Isn't the dm from Bournemouth lord? Sorry to be pedantic. Yes Mixing him up with young England player from Villa we we were linked with
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Post by lordb on Jul 4, 2022 18:08:24 GMT
The young lad from Leeds is very quick Lauren is qickish Flint is super slow Don’t know about the Irish lad from Villa but as he's a DM pace isn't the issue in that role Is Clark not meant to be quick too? Yes he is Amazingly Hyaduck appears to have been talking shit
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jul 4, 2022 18:12:18 GMT
Is Clark not meant to be quick too? Yes he is Amazingly Hyaduck appears to have been talking shit Again!!!!!
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