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Post by jeycov on Jan 20, 2022 8:57:51 GMT
Not in Stokes hand if he wants to go come June. We can trigger another year can't we? Offloading a number of high earners may allow for some improved contracts for the likes of Powell, Souttar and Campbell
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 20, 2022 9:01:38 GMT
Or perhaps the real Aston Villa Academy know what they’re doing as opposed to some sad 13 year old self styling himself as the (unofficial) Villa Academy on Twatter? Just a thought. Alternatively it's someone who's seen a lot more of the player than we have and is an informed opinion... I think I’d trust the judgement of the real Villa Academy, one of if not the best in the country, to have sorted this out with Stoke before hand rather than some fan who with the best will in the world appears to be a bit of a fantasist.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 20, 2022 9:11:00 GMT
We can trigger another year can't we? I think so mate yes. But if he’s made it clear he wants to go we’re in an N’zonzi situation all over again. Stick or twist? For how important he is, in this context I'd be inclined to stick, honestly.
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Post by northernstokie on Jan 20, 2022 9:13:30 GMT
Maybe he is thinking of adopting a back 4 now we have Jagielka who he might trust more and with Baker protecting. A 4.2.3.1 would allow us to play Jayden as a number 10 with rotation with Powell and DWP and Ince wide and doughty on the bench. I think it looks good on paper
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 20, 2022 9:13:53 GMT
Alternatively it's someone who's seen a lot more of the player than we have and is an informed opinion... I think I’d trust the judgement of the real Villa Academy, one of if not the best in the country, to have sorted this out with Stoke before hand rather than some fan who with the best will in the world appears to be a bit of a fantasist. Absolutely, but equally he's clearly pretty well informed about the academy and more so than we are. I didn't clock anything that makes him seem like a fantasist from his feed?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 20, 2022 9:14:52 GMT
Maybe he is thinking of adopting a back 4 now we have Jagielka who he might trust more and with Baker protecting. A 4.2.3.1 would allow us to play Jayden as a number 10 with rotation with Powell and DWP and Ince wide and doughty on the bench. I think it looks good on paper It would be a surprise if he did that after binning Batth and signing two ball playing centre backs. That screams that the back three is here to stay.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2022 9:18:26 GMT
Or perhaps the real Aston Villa Academy know what they’re doing as opposed to some sad 13 year old self styling himself as the (unofficial) Villa Academy on Twatter? Just a thought. Why do people have blind faith that football clubs and the people in them know what they’re doing with stuff like this? More things go badly than go right. And that’s not saying they won’t but it’s fine to question it.
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Post by etebojan on Jan 20, 2022 9:18:53 GMT
I have no idea...it's going to be interesting to see how we can slot him in whilst also keeping Powell and Campbell happy and playing in their best positions Maybe he plays in rotation with Campbell coming in from the right whilst Ty gets back up to speed It allows us to not rush Powell back at least and takes some pressure off him. Wouldn't be shocked if Ince moved on now. Or as MON has done a few times Powell up top as CF ?!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2022 9:19:13 GMT
Actually using a formation that utilises a number 10 and then not playing the best number 10 at the club there stinks a bit.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 20, 2022 9:20:13 GMT
Or perhaps the real Aston Villa Academy know what they’re doing as opposed to some sad 13 year old self styling himself as the (unofficial) Villa Academy on Twatter? Just a thought. Why do people have blind faith that football clubs and the people in them know what they’re doing with stuff like this? More things go badly than go right. And that’s not saying they won’t but it’s fine to question it. Where as some fantasist on Twatter is always right isn’t he? As long as he confirms your opinion that is.
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Post by northernstokie on Jan 20, 2022 9:20:59 GMT
Maybe he is thinking of adopting a back 4 now we have Jagielka who he might trust more and with Baker protecting. A 4.2.3.1 would allow us to play Jayden as a number 10 with rotation with Powell and DWP and Ince wide and doughty on the bench. I think it looks good on paper It would be a surprise if he did that after binning Batth and signing two ball playing centre backs. That screams that the back three is here to stay. Yeah but Mon has said he like his players to be comfortable on the ball
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 20, 2022 9:22:02 GMT
It allows us to not rush Powell back at least and takes some pressure off him. Wouldn't be shocked if Ince moved on now. Or as MON has done a few times Powell up top as CF ?! We works better as a second striker in a two than as a lone striker though IMO.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 20, 2022 9:22:46 GMT
I think I’d trust the judgement of the real Villa Academy, one of if not the best in the country, to have sorted this out with Stoke before hand rather than some fan who with the best will in the world appears to be a bit of a fantasist. Absolutely, but equally he's clearly pretty well informed about the academy and more so than we are. I didn't clock anything that makes him seem like a fantasist from his feed? It was the fact that he titled his account “the Villa Academy”. Bit odd. But hey I’m not on Twitter so have little idea of what is or isn’t normal on there.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 20, 2022 9:22:51 GMT
It would be a surprise if he did that after binning Batth and signing two ball playing centre backs. That screams that the back three is here to stay. Yeah but Mon has said he like his players to be comfortable on the ball Would he need two new CBs though if he was switching to a back four?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 20, 2022 9:23:38 GMT
Absolutely, but equally he's clearly pretty well informed about the academy and more so than we are. I didn't clock anything that makes him seem like a fantasist from his feed? It was the fact that he titled his account “the Villa Academy”. Bit odd. But hey I’m not on Twitter so have little idea of what is or isn’t normal on there. I think it's just to mark what the account's about, he's at pains in his bio to state it's unofficial and his feed itself seems pretty clued up.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 20, 2022 9:25:03 GMT
I think so mate yes. But if he’s made it clear he wants to go we’re in an N’zonzi situation all over again. Stick or twist? For how important he is, in this context I'd be inclined to stick, honestly. Absolutely. And I’m hoping that some of this cost cutting were doing is with a view to being able to offer him an increased contract to keep him long term.
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Post by etebojan on Jan 20, 2022 9:26:20 GMT
Or as MON has done a few times Powell up top as CF ?! He works better as a second striker in a two than as a lone striker though IMO. I would agree with that. interesting conundrums. certainly going to make the rest of the season a bit more unpredictable(hopefully in a good way)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2022 9:26:41 GMT
Why do people have blind faith that football clubs and the people in them know what they’re doing with stuff like this? More things go badly than go right. And that’s not saying they won’t but it’s fine to question it. Where as some fantasist on Twatter is always right isn’t he? As long as he confirms your opinion that is. No one is saying they are right. It's a discussion around something that is pretty big. It's not about being right or wrong.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2022 9:27:30 GMT
Absolutely, but equally he's clearly pretty well informed about the academy and more so than we are. I didn't clock anything that makes him seem like a fantasist from his feed? It was the fact that he titled his account “the Villa Academy”. Bit odd. But hey I’m not on Twitter so have little idea of what is or isn’t normal on there. Why is odd? It's an account about the Villa Academy
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 20, 2022 9:29:56 GMT
It was the fact that he titled his account “the Villa Academy”. Bit odd. But hey I’m not on Twitter so have little idea of what is or isn’t normal on there. I think it's just to mark what the account's about, he's at pains in his bio to state it's unofficial and his feed itself seems pretty clued up. Fair enough but I’d still rather trust the official Academy’s take on things and if they’re happy for him to come we’ve clearly convinced them we’re going to play him in a position they think will suit his development so I don’t know why we’re worrying too much.
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Post by northernstokie on Jan 20, 2022 9:34:27 GMT
Yeah but Mon has said he like his players to be comfortable on the ball Would he need two new CBs though if he was switching to a back four? Possibly not but only 1 better off as batth as gone. I don't think he would want Chester playing in a 4 and rotation for injuries and fatigue. Just an idea though
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2022 9:35:47 GMT
I think it's just to mark what the account's about, he's at pains in his bio to state it's unofficial and his feed itself seems pretty clued up. Fair enough but I’d still rather trust the official Academy’s take on things and if they’re happy for him to come we’ve clearly convinced them we’re going to play him in a position they think will suit his development so I don’t know why we’re worrying too much. Because we've seen it before where it's gone spectacularly wrong? It's a talking point. He seems a really good player. The plan though seems to have a lot flaws in it as things stand. It will only make sense in a month I reckon when we see what MON actually does and who leaves. Ince? or DWP loan? And a central midfielder imo have to leave now to make this fit.
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Post by stokie223 on Jan 20, 2022 9:35:47 GMT
We can trigger another year can't we? I think so mate yes. But if he’s made it clear he wants to go we’re in an N’zonzi situation all over again. Stick or twist? If you're talking about Powell, I don't think that is the case at all. I play golf with someone that's a good friend of his (think their mrs are both friends to be precise) - apparently he's not a massive, massive football fan as you would typically expect, which has been rumoured before, but has told those around him this is the happiest he's been in football and he's loving it here. Also supposedly true that he wasn't the biggest Stoke fan before signing too. I don't particularly think he's done anything that would see a decent prem side come in for him - even though he's been our best player - so I would expect him to be ours for a little while longer yet.
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Post by marshy on Jan 20, 2022 9:37:55 GMT
So would our team look something like this do we think? (Injuries aside)
Bursik/Davies/Bonham
Wilmot Jagielka THB
Smith Allen Baker Tymon
JPB
Powell Campbell
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 20, 2022 9:43:40 GMT
Fair enough but I’d still rather trust the official Academy’s take on things and if they’re happy for him to come we’ve clearly convinced them we’re going to play him in a position they think will suit his development so I don’t know why we’re worrying too much. Because we've seen it before where it's gone spectacularly wrong? It's a talking point. He seems a really good player. The plan though seems to have a lot flaws in it as things stand. It will only make sense in a month I reckon when we see what MON actually does and who leaves. Ince? or DWP loan? And a central midfielder imo have to leave now to make this fit. So what’s the plan?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 20, 2022 9:48:40 GMT
I think so mate yes. But if he’s made it clear he wants to go we’re in an N’zonzi situation all over again. Stick or twist? If you're talking about Powell, I don't think that is the case at all. I play golf with someone that's a good friend of his (think their mrs are both friends to be precise) - apparently he's not a massive, massive football fan as you would typically expect, which has been rumoured before, but has told those around him this is the happiest he's been in football and he's loving it here. Also supposedly true that he wasn't the biggest Stoke fan before signing too. I don't particularly think he's done anything that would see a decent prem side come in for him - even though he's been our best player - so I would expect him to be ours for a little while longer yet. So why hasn’t he signed a new deal then?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 20, 2022 9:49:38 GMT
Because we've seen it before where it's gone spectacularly wrong? It's a talking point. He seems a really good player. The plan though seems to have a lot flaws in it as things stand. It will only make sense in a month I reckon when we see what MON actually does and who leaves. Ince? or DWP loan? And a central midfielder imo have to leave now to make this fit. So what’s the plan? I would imagine to play this guy as a 10 with Powell and Campbell up front or Campbell wide right. Which is fine and potentially very good. But Powell is our best player. He's our best number 10. Use him there. There's going to be a lot of pissed off players too. And I know, poor them but it could become an issue. Our squad is massive.
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Post by stokie223 on Jan 20, 2022 9:55:11 GMT
If you're talking about Powell, I don't think that is the case at all. I play golf with someone that's a good friend of his (think their mrs are both friends to be precise) - apparently he's not a massive, massive football fan as you would typically expect, which has been rumoured before, but has told those around him this is the happiest he's been in football and he's loving it here. Also supposedly true that he wasn't the biggest Stoke fan before signing too. I don't particularly think he's done anything that would see a decent prem side come in for him - even though he's been our best player - so I would expect him to be ours for a little while longer yet. So why hasn’t he signed a new deal then? There could literally be any one of a multitude of reasons why. Perhaps it's close but we're unaware, he could feel he's not being valued by our offer, wants a longer contract, agent playing hardball. Literally anything. I don't think it's as black-and-white as "I'm happy so I'll sign". Football doesn't work like that anymore.
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Post by callas12 on Jan 20, 2022 9:55:49 GMT
Yeah, a departure of some kind wouldn't be a massive surprise now. Whether it's the two floaty No.10s behind one striker or not, minutes are going to be squeezed down to the bone up there and some will be squeezed out I'd be very surprised if Fletcher went as his wages are already MON-era approved. Same with Vrancic. Surridge you could definitely see a loan? And Ince's stock is the highest it's been for literally years, probably. With 6 months left on his deal, probably not completely unthinkable if we can shed 6 months of his wages and don't see him staying in the summer A Powell move is probably just about thinkable too. There's been no talk of us agreeing any long-term deal and even though we've got the option of extending his current deal, that will be on his current exorbitant figure. Still can't see it though as he's just too important and good. Tyrese? Who knows if Burnley put the money down Maybe Gerrard has an eye on getting Campbell at some point This youngster is only coming to us on loan, is it for 12 months? Villa have been admirers and tracking Souttar for a while prior to his injury. Not saying it is but possibly a precursor to some movement there when he's back up to speed & catching the eye again.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 20, 2022 9:56:43 GMT
I would imagine to play this guy as a 10 with Powell and Campbell up front or Campbell wide right. Which is fine and potentially very good. But Powell is our best player. He's our best number 10. Use him there. There's going to be a lot of pissed off players too. And I know, poor them but it could become an issue. Our squad is massive. Speculation. None of us has any idea what Gerard wants us to do or MoN plans to do with him. Even the Academy guru on Twitter acknowledges that.
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