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Post by Robo10 on Jan 15, 2004 14:46:09 GMT
This isn't some self delusioned attempt to defend Chris, his form has been poor of late and even I (who actually rates him as a player) have pulled my face at him.
However, a couple of days ago a post was added to the Oatie messageboard detailing the feelings of Palace fans towards Ade - It tells a similar story of a guy that joined a club with huge pressures to deliver, getting injured pretty quickly then never being able to show any sort of form for his new club, no matter what he tried.
Reading between the lines, Ade was rated as unlucky but with potential by some fans, and as a clown by others. Sound familiar?
Now with us, feeling loved and without any pressure, Ade has started to show the potential that made him the subject of several multi million pound transfers earlier in his career - No coincidence!
Chris came to us after scoring for fun at Mansfield, with a paypacket much larger than he had ever received before and with the hopes of us all on him. I would imagine that the propspect of moving up 2 divisions was a little daunting on top of that then add more pressure he gets injured 10 minutes into his second game (or his first against 'proper' opposition).
All strikers are confidence players, and when you have none then you are fecked.
I don't know whether it is something about the club, but there have been a number of strikers down the years that have come here having scored goals at there previous clubs, only to play poorly when here. As soon as they go again, they can't stop!
Dadason Gabbiadini Bamber Ellis Caruthers etc etc!
My point is though, maybe it would be better for Chris to go elsewhere and regain his confidence, but I think it would be a shame.
Send him out on loan, and I'm sure once he gets back on the goals trail we will still have a good player on our hands.
If he does go though, I wonder who the messageboard 'booboys' will turn on next...? ???
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Post by JR on Jan 15, 2004 14:50:14 GMT
Akinbiyi was proven at this level.....thats the difference.
Greenacre looks more and more incapable the more we see of him.
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Post by Robo10 on Jan 15, 2004 14:53:38 GMT
I didn't think he looked any less incapable than some of the others on Tuesday, including Asaba, Hoekstra, Neal...
How long before Asaba takes Greenacres place as the next 'high paid waste of space'? Did he buy himself some time with his early season form?
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Post by JR on Jan 15, 2004 14:57:07 GMT
Do you mean the early season form that bagged him two goals shy of Greenacre's 18 months at Stoke? (inc 3 v lower league opposition)
Asaba hasn't set the world on fire and has been on the bench as a result. Greenacre started the season as first choice and was rightly substituted every game as he was poor. You can make excuses all day but his goal scoring record ans performances are dire.
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Post by Robo10 on Jan 15, 2004 15:09:29 GMT
Didn't want to get into the old 'hes shit, hes not' debate again JR! (Although I'm surprised MCF hasn't commented yet!)
Just thought it was an interesting comparison!
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Post by JR on Jan 15, 2004 15:13:16 GMT
Would love to see him prove us all wrong matey. He's just done nothing to even hint that he might. As I said before he was well worth the gamble but it hasn't come off...it happens. A good lower league striker for sure. I'm sure he'll do a great job for someone else and good luck to him.
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Post by angescfc on Jan 15, 2004 15:17:24 GMT
Yeah someone else in our division! We've got the service sorted now so he'd thrive here if he got the chance. Last year the service was abismal most of the time, hence why he looked bad.
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Post by JR on Jan 15, 2004 15:21:33 GMT
Don't agree Ange. You seem to blame everyone else but the player himself. He can't get in front of his marker and can't beat a man at this level. The poster above pointed out Asaba's record at the start of the season, Gifton's also.....did Greenacre have different service? He was a regular early season. The open goal he missed at Wimbledon? Poor service?
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Post by angescfc on Jan 15, 2004 15:30:30 GMT
Try lack of games and confidence. Even a 3rd division player would have scored the Wimbledon goal so you can't say it's coz of that or he wouldn't make the conference!!!
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Post by JR on Jan 15, 2004 15:37:50 GMT
I didn't say that ??? Do you think he deserves another extended run in the team? He's played nearly 50 games for us, was a regular last season and at the start of this season. Lack of confidence is due to lack of ability at Div 1 level. I can't see where you get the inkling that he can cut it based on previous short-comings. he hasn't ever looked like a division 1 player. He doesn't cause defences problems at this level. Blame lack of games, lack of service, lack of confidence, lack of match fitness etc........can't see where you're coming from. I seem to remember we were being told on here that with a pre season behid him he would prove us all wrong. Well he had his pre season, his regular place and IMHO ran out of excuses a long time ago. Really do admire your faith in him though
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Post by angescfc on Jan 15, 2004 15:39:57 GMT
JR all I can say is watch this space! I'll be waiting for you to be in your beer when you're proved wrong!
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Post by JR on Jan 15, 2004 15:44:48 GMT
Ange, trust me I would not be crying in my beer if he turned into Raul like you think he will. I will be delighted babe. Just realistic.
I do see to remember you telling me a similar thing pre season though ;D
In fact if Greenacre ever got 15 goals a season for us I will happily have his name tatooed on my butt.
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Post by angescfc on Jan 15, 2004 16:12:07 GMT
I know I said it in the summer but I'm still standing by it coz I don't think he's had a proper chance with the right players to prove it. Clarke's coming good for me now, so all I need is him to show it and we'll be sorted! I look forward to seeing your butt with Greenacre on in JR!
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Post by JR on Jan 15, 2004 16:14:46 GMT
Don't think I could fit all them letters on it ;D I don't think I need worry about booking the tatoo parlour just yet
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Post by angescfc on Jan 15, 2004 16:18:15 GMT
Famous last word ;D I'll happily fit it all on for you when he does it!
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Post by JR on Jan 15, 2004 16:30:09 GMT
[glow=red,2,300]Greenacre[/glow]
mmm...not sure if its me
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Post by potters11 on Dec 17, 2007 16:28:52 GMT
Retro posts, you can't beat em!!
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Post by rorymscfc on Dec 17, 2007 16:32:40 GMT
Dadason Gabbiadini Bamber Ellis Caruthers And there are people who say we haven't made progress *Shudders* RoryM
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Post by ben88 on Dec 18, 2007 10:43:53 GMT
i started reading this post and got very confussed
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Post by lordb on Dec 18, 2007 13:00:34 GMT
That miss @ 'Wimbledon' was astonishing.
a poacher who was played wide right most of the time.
might not have been good enough for the CCC. - dont see lots of CCC clubs in for him now,so probably found his level.
how many games did he play as a striker (not a midfielder) for Stoke?
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Post by soicowboy on Dec 19, 2007 8:37:59 GMT
'JR all I can say is watch this space! I'll be waiting for you to be in your beer when you're proved wrong! '
My beer is completely tear free
He came with no price on his head and was simply garbage- this one needs to be put to sleep- a bit like that excuse for a player Greenacre
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Post by Robo10 on Dec 19, 2007 9:09:29 GMT
Feck, thats an old post!
Still stand by it though!
Look at his record:
Mansfield - 121 appearances (2 as sub), 50 goals Stoke City - 51 appearances (32 as sub), 9 goals Transmere - 114 appearances (6 as sub), 45 goals
His injury didn't help in preseason at Stoke (v West brom - got a hattrick against Newcastle Town if I remember the game before?), and obviously his confidence got shot to pieces over time.
He had occassional chances up front, but mainly deployed as left winger where his lack of pace was obvious.
He knows where the back of the net is, the record above shows that, but something went wrong in his career at Stoke that thankfully he has put behind him.
Certainly nowhere near the Fuller class, and even Cresswell, but looking at some of the forwards we have seen over the years he certainly wasn't one of the worst!
My original point about promising or experienced strikers firing duds at Stoke is still valid though - they seem to go elsewhere and somehow manage to start scoring again!
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Post by soicowboy on Dec 19, 2007 9:15:56 GMT
'He had occassional chances up front, but mainly deployed as left winger where his lack of pace was obvious.
He knows where the back of the net is, the record above shows that, but something went wrong in his career at Stoke that thankfully he has put behind him'
He had 10 consecutive starts up front pre Ade and scored in 1, his first- was substituted in ALL 10
Sure he can score goals at a lower level but not this one- the statistics don't lie so let it go
What went went wrong at Stoke was he was out of his depth at this level- not rocket science- he was utter shite and not good enough.
'My original point about promising or experienced strikers firing duds at Stoke is still valid though - they seem to go elsewhere and somehow manage to start scoring again!'
Really- name me 5 in recent years who've done so at this level in recent years........................Martin Pat wasn't a regular firing duds before you start
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Post by Robo10 on Dec 19, 2007 9:38:31 GMT
Harsh mate.
I'm sure he was as glad to put his Stoke City mare to bed as you were.
If we are talking about goalscoring records, you are also criticising Sidebe I presume?
He is fortunate to have other attributes (ie is built like a brick shithouse), but lately his overall contribution hasn't been enough - do you thihnk of him in the same way?
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 19, 2007 10:44:29 GMT
I'd pick Greenacre over Pericard any day.
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Post by bogus on Dec 19, 2007 10:54:48 GMT
I have very fond memories of his late winner against Brighton, Crewe too ;D
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Post by Robo10 on Dec 19, 2007 11:44:47 GMT
Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed today Soi? Aggressive fecker.
I'm thinking of strikers that came to Stoke with great goalscoring records (going back to Tony Ellis, Wayne Biggins initially, Bamber, Lightbourne, Asaba, Greenacre, Dadason) who simply couldn't do it at Stoke. they then went back to other clubs and couldn't stop scoring - Ellis scored a load for Preston! Even Bamber scored a lot for Blackpool or wherever he ended up!
Paul Connor scored goals for Rochdale albeit at a lower level, Parkin and Pericard had pretty good records until arriving at Stoke.
There is a shorter list of goalscorers that continued to do so when here!
Fuller, Sheron (who arrived as a dud), Stein (who arrived as a dud), Thorne, Akinbyi to an extent (never fully prolific - misses too many 1 on 1's)
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Post by soicowboy on Dec 19, 2007 13:19:10 GMT
Bamber scored more in one spell (9) than that useless git Greenacre did Bamber joined from Blackpool Ellis didn't score a shitload for Preston- did ok after leaving Parkin scored 11 for Hull Since when did Asaba go elsewhere and score a load after Stoke- Connor had a great start at Rochdale for Christ's sake!!!!! Lightbourne came with a shocking record of late and piss all after 'As soon as they go again, they can't stop!' Still no one justified to the original question......................easy to point to the lower leagues. No one doubted Greenacre could score at lower levels but NOT this one. Ask yourself why when SC raided Stoke he didn't take Greenacre the one player he signed and no doubt could have signed again if he wanted him???? Oh tes he was injured two years previously- was played on the wing because he was hoplessly slow in front of goal and always 10 yards off the pace when played as a striker- coulldn't beat a man- etc etc etc etc Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn 'I have very fond memories of his late winner against Brighton, Crewe too ' Didn't score a winner v Crewe- do you also have fond memories of Keith Scott's goal at Luton???? Get back to planet Earth guys
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Post by Robo10 on Dec 19, 2007 13:51:23 GMT
You need to sleep with those two bird in your avatar, such is your grumpiness today.
Either that or you are on.
:-)
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Post by soicowboy on Dec 19, 2007 21:52:03 GMT
At least they could fucking score unlike that tool Greenacre
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