|
Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 21:58:19 GMT
You'll need more than a hard hat you daft fucker ๐คฃ ๐ Ok wrong turn of phrase perhaps. Campbell is clearly more talented no doubt but right now give me Brown ahead of him. Maybe fitness, maybe attitude but Brown chases everything and looks like he wants to be on the pitch. Campbell is quite the opposite he also looks as though he spent his injury bulking up and its lost him that turn of pace he had last season and if it is not played directly to his feet he does not want to know. Maybe he still isn't fit but how long can we keep using that excuse ? That's better, now I can see where you're coming from Difficult to put a time frame on it regarding Campbell getting back to full fitness, but he has looked very leggy since coming back into the team. Having said that, we have seen his natural finishing ability in flashes and when he gets his full sharpness back he's a 20 goal a season man in this division. As far as Jacob Brown is concerned, I get where you're coming from regarding his work rate and he is a handful for defenders, regardless of what some folk on here say, but he does lack that genuine quality in most aspects of the game, yes he chips in with the odd goal here and there but he is very limited and will never be that 20 goal plus striker in this division that can be the difference between play offs and automatic promotion.
|
|
|
Post by miggo on Jan 16, 2022 22:12:39 GMT
Ok wrong turn of phrase perhaps. Campbell is clearly more talented no doubt but right now give me Brown ahead of him. Maybe fitness, maybe attitude but Brown chases everything and looks like he wants to be on the pitch. Campbell is quite the opposite he also looks as though he spent his injury bulking up and its lost him that turn of pace he had last season and if it is not played directly to his feet he does not want to know. Maybe he still isn't fit but how long can we keep using that excuse ? That's better, now I can see where you're coming from Difficult to put a time frame on it regarding Campbell getting back to full fitness, but he has looked very leggy since coming back into the team. Having said that, we have seen his natural finishing ability in flashes and when he gets his full sharpness back he's a 20 goal a season man in this division. As far as Jacob Brown is concerned, I get where you're coming from regarding his work rate and he is a handful for defenders, regardless of what some folk on here say, but he does lack that genuine quality in most aspects of the game, yes he chips in with the odd goal here and there but he is very limited and will never be that 20 goal plus striker in this division that can be the difference between play offs and automatic promotion. Remove the words 'Jacob Brown' and replace with 'Jon Walters' and i'd think the year was 2015. ๐คฃ In all seriousness he has shown massive improvement on last season and hopefully that continues. Campbell looks a shadow of his former self and I'm not convinced its to do with the injury and despite his 3 month good spell last year he has only scored 17 in his career for us. Nowt to suggest he's a 20 goal a season man. Hopefully something changes but based on today he will struggle to get ahead of DWP and Brown.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 22:14:18 GMT
Ok wrong turn of phrase perhaps. Campbell is clearly more talented no doubt but right now give me Brown ahead of him. Maybe fitness, maybe attitude but Brown chases everything and looks like he wants to be on the pitch. Campbell is quite the opposite he also looks as though he spent his injury bulking up and its lost him that turn of pace he had last season and if it is not played directly to his feet he does not want to know. Maybe he still isn't fit but how long can we keep using that excuse ? That's better, now I can see where you're coming from Difficult to put a time frame on it regarding Campbell getting back to full fitness, but he has looked very leggy since coming back into the team. Having said that, we have seen his natural finishing ability in flashes and when he gets his full sharpness back he's a 20 goal a season man in this division. As far as Jacob Brown is concerned, I get where you're coming from regarding his work rate and he is a handful for defenders, regardless of what some folk on here say, but he does lack that genuine quality in most aspects of the game, yes he chips in with the odd goal here and there but he is very limited and will never be that 20 goal plus striker in this division that can be the difference between play offs and automatic promotion. Certainly a great finisher. Yet to reach 20 in his career to be fair but obviously been hampered. Looks desperately unfit and let's be honest he couldn't finish a game before the injury and him piling on a few pounds . Would put him as more a 10-15 striker but just guesswork of course. Edit that...21 league goals Had him at 19
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 22:15:40 GMT
That's better, now I can see where you're coming from Difficult to put a time frame on it regarding Campbell getting back to full fitness, but he has looked very leggy since coming back into the team. Having said that, we have seen his natural finishing ability in flashes and when he gets his full sharpness back he's a 20 goal a season man in this division. As far as Jacob Brown is concerned, I get where you're coming from regarding his work rate and he is a handful for defenders, regardless of what some folk on here say, but he does lack that genuine quality in most aspects of the game, yes he chips in with the odd goal here and there but he is very limited and will never be that 20 goal plus striker in this division that can be the difference between play offs and automatic promotion. Remove the words 'Jacob Brown' and replace with 'Jon Walters' and i'd think the year was 2015. ๐คฃ In all seriousness he has shown massive improvement on last season and hopefully that continues. Campbell looks a shadow of his former self and I'm not convinced its to do with the injury and despite his 3 month good spell last year he has only scored 17 in his career for us. Nowt to suggest he's a 20 goal a season man. Hopefully something changes but based on today he will struggle to get ahead of DWP and Brown. I get the comparison with Walters, but I don't see Brown ever being as good as Walters was or having a career in the top flight like Super Jon did.
|
|
|
Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 16, 2022 22:16:49 GMT
Top scorer this season. Sink that one in!
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 22:17:38 GMT
That's better, now I can see where you're coming from Difficult to put a time frame on it regarding Campbell getting back to full fitness, but he has looked very leggy since coming back into the team. Having said that, we have seen his natural finishing ability in flashes and when he gets his full sharpness back he's a 20 goal a season man in this division. As far as Jacob Brown is concerned, I get where you're coming from regarding his work rate and he is a handful for defenders, regardless of what some folk on here say, but he does lack that genuine quality in most aspects of the game, yes he chips in with the odd goal here and there but he is very limited and will never be that 20 goal plus striker in this division that can be the difference between play offs and automatic promotion. Certainly a great finisher. Yet to reach 20 in his career to be fair but obviously been hampered. Looks desperately unfit and let's be honest he couldn't finish a game before the injury and him piling on a few pounds . Would put him as more a 10-15 striker but just guesswork of course. Yep, all opinion amd guesswork mate. Campbell is a natural instinctive finisher though and if we can get him fit and supply him with chances I don't see any reason why he can't be a 20 goal a season man.
|
|
|
Post by march4 on Jan 16, 2022 22:20:51 GMT
He is becoming the new Mama.
A team is greater than simply the sum of its parts.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 22:21:20 GMT
Certainly a great finisher. Yet to reach 20 in his career to be fair but obviously been hampered. Looks desperately unfit and let's be honest he couldn't finish a game before the injury and him piling on a few pounds . Would put him as more a 10-15 striker but just guesswork of course. Yep, all opinion amd guesswork mate. Campbell is a natural instinctive finisher though and if we can get him fit and supply him with chances I don't see any reason why he can't be a 20 goal a season man. . And maybe the odd better player around him. V Derby Vrancic tried to find him a few times and was looking for a run and Campbell's movement was poor unlike the goal at QPR. Will come with fitness hopefully
|
|
|
Post by miggo on Jan 16, 2022 22:23:02 GMT
Remove the words 'Jacob Brown' and replace with 'Jon Walters' and i'd think the year was 2015. ๐คฃ In all seriousness he has shown massive improvement on last season and hopefully that continues. Campbell looks a shadow of his former self and I'm not convinced its to do with the injury and despite his 3 month good spell last year he has only scored 17 in his career for us. Nowt to suggest he's a 20 goal a season man. Hopefully something changes but based on today he will struggle to get ahead of DWP and Brown. I get the comparison with Walters, but I don't see Brown ever being as good as Walters was or having a career in the top flight like Super Jon did. I don't see us being a prem team anytime soon, thats the point.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 22:26:30 GMT
I get the comparison with Walters, but I don't see Brown ever being as good as Walters was or having a career in the top flight like Super Jon did. I don't see us being a prem team anytime soon, thats the point. I do. We keep this manager and it'll happen ๐
|
|
|
Post by blackpoolred on Jan 16, 2022 22:38:03 GMT
Positives: Puts in a great shift and real team player Gets into some great attacking positions Plenty of pace uses it to defend as well as attack and never goes missing
Things to work on: Holding the ball up - gets knocked off the ball too easily, only young though and could possibly bulk up a bit Obviously his goal record - bit more composure when he gets in Link-up play is below par, his pace gets him into some great attacking positions and if he could just pick out a clever pass he could affect the game more. Sure that could be worked on with the coaches
He is young and improving and he can work on some of his negatives
|
|
|
Post by PotterLog on Jan 17, 2022 0:58:43 GMT
I'm not and never have been a fan of players who are better without the ball than they are with it.
Jacob Brown isn't for me but fair play to his work rate and efforts to improve. Yet being good without the ball is essential to almost or even every position. Arguably Bojan at his best was better without the ball than he was with it. Erm
|
|
|
Post by davethebass on Jan 17, 2022 3:44:54 GMT
I'm not and never have been a fan of players who are better without the ball than they are with it. Jacob Brown isn't for me but fair play to his work rate and efforts to improve. I do enjoy seeing players being good on tbe ball, so I do know where you're coming from. But I'm also a massive fan of players being good without the ball. My take on it is... Every player spends most of their time without the ball. So most of the game of football, is what you do without the ball. If every player is doing their job properly off the ball, which does involve running around a lot, then its a lot easier for whoever has the ball to be good with it. Impress that on players at a young age, and they have no fear of it when they have the ball, there's no panic, because the movement of the other players makes it so much easier to find a pass. The lack of fear of the ball allows the ball skills to develop naturally. I told all that to a bunch of junior school kids I was helping out with the coaching. They passed all the other teams off the park and won the league.
|
|
|
Post by hyaduck on Jan 17, 2022 4:17:02 GMT
Positives: Puts in a great shift and real team player Gets into some great attacking positions Plenty of pace uses it to defend as well as attack and never goes missing Things to work on: Holding the ball up - gets knocked off the ball too easily, only young though and could possibly bulk up a bit Obviously his goal record - bit more composure when he gets in Link-up play is below par, his pace gets him into some great attacking positions and if he could just pick out a clever pass he could affect the game more. Sure that could be worked on with the coaches He is young and improving and he can work on some of his negatives So you're saying in other words, He's shit. I agree!!!
|
|
|
Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 17, 2022 9:06:06 GMT
Positives: Puts in a great shift and real team player Gets into some great attacking positions Plenty of pace uses it to defend as well as attack and never goes missing Things to work on: Holding the ball up - gets knocked off the ball too easily, only young though and could possibly bulk up a bit Obviously his goal record - bit more composure when he gets in Link-up play is below par, his pace gets him into some great attacking positions and if he could just pick out a clever pass he could affect the game more. Sure that could be worked on with the coaches He is young and improving and he can work on some of his negatives So you're saying in other words, He's shit. I agree!!! Dry those salty tears Ducky.
|
|
|
Post by mamasgloves on Jan 17, 2022 9:38:05 GMT
Misses way too often when through on goal. His defending from the front is top-notch but hes not a natural finisher and never will be Could have said the same about Vardy in his early years at Leicester. No you couldn't?! He has scored for fun at every level, that's why they signed him. Brown never has and doesn't show any sign of starting. Great work rate and application but just not a good striker in the slightest. It always comes back to some fans loving willing runners over slightly more temperamental skillful players. I'd much rather see Campbell out there personally
|
|
|
Post by stokecitydom on Jan 17, 2022 9:45:19 GMT
He puts a shift in and has chipped in with a few goals, but ultimately if we are to get promoted then I donโt think you can do it with Brown as your striker.
Heโs probably more useful away from home where we tend to sit back and he can be a pain to the opposition defence.
Where as at home when we tend to be the team with more of the ball and trying to make things happen, he does seem to struggle. His link up play isnโt the best & moves tend to break down a lot when he gets it.
|
|
|
Post by medwaypotter on Jan 17, 2022 10:04:45 GMT
Ok wrong turn of phrase perhaps. Campbell is clearly more talented no doubt but right now give me Brown ahead of him. Maybe fitness, maybe attitude but Brown chases everything and looks like he wants to be on the pitch. Campbell is quite the opposite he also looks as though he spent his injury bulking up and its lost him that turn of pace he had last season and if it is not played directly to his feet he does not want to know. Maybe he still isn't fit but how long can we keep using that excuse ? That's better, now I can see where you're coming from Difficult to put a time frame on it regarding Campbell getting back to full fitness, but he has looked very leggy since coming back into the team. Having said that, we have seen his natural finishing ability in flashes and when he gets his full sharpness back he's a 20 goal a season man in this division. As far as Jacob Brown is concerned, I get where you're coming from regarding his work rate and he is a handful for defenders, regardless of what some folk on here say, but he does lack that genuine quality in most aspects of the game, yes he chips in with the odd goal here and there but he is very limited and will never be that 20 goal plus striker in this division that can be the difference between play offs and automatic promotion. "yes he chips in with the odd goal here and there" Our top scorer, how depressing.
|
|
|
Post by stokie223 on Jan 17, 2022 10:18:36 GMT
Oddly, despite the fact he's everything I would usually dislike in a player, I actually quite like Brown. Go figure. I think the title of the thread is a little bit of a stretch, however, but he'd definitely be in my team.
His pace/work rate really unsettles defenders at this level - if he could finish he'd be a top half premier league player without question. He's got to keep working hard and improving, as he has done, to see how far he can go in the game.
Useful player IMO in the championship. Needs to improve if he wants to go one better.
|
|
|
Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 17, 2022 10:27:51 GMT
Could he work in a three with Fletch and Campbell, with Allen and Baker in central midfield? Relys massively on the wing backs getting for ward again and they're not great at that recently.
|
|
|
Post by Pirate on Jan 17, 2022 10:31:42 GMT
He plays way more minuets than any of the other forwards so i would expect him to be top scorer
A trier but very little quality, always seems to be panicking when in possession, thought he was pretty anonymous yesterday & the 20yr old making his league debut showed lovely touches & timing of the run
He is no Mama or Walters
|
|
|
Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 17, 2022 10:35:37 GMT
When he was put through on goal by the Smith pass in the first-half he lost all composure. Powell dinks that over the keeper or Campbell would take it around him.
He really should be scoring those more often than not.
He was also put through in the second half and got the ball stuck under his feet.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 11:13:30 GMT
Could have said the same about Vardy in his early years at Leicester. No you couldn't?! He has scored for fun at every level, that's why they signed him. Brown never has and doesn't show any sign of starting. Great work rate and application but just not a good striker in the slightest. It always comes back to some fans loving willing runners over slightly more temperamental skillful players. I'd much rather see Campbell out there personally Right well that's just not true Vardy's first season for Leicester, 29 games played, 5 goals. Vardy's second season for Leicester 41 games played with 16 goals. Vardy's third season for Leicester 36 games played with 5 goals. In that second season his record was alright, but far from remarkable. It's worth mentioning this is all at an age older than Jacob brown, when his position has always been striker. Brown has played a variety of positions in his career and I believe even grew up a winger so he's still learning his position aged only 23! The kid's fucking 23, and people are moaning that he isn't completely clinical. It's beggar's belief it really is
|
|
|
Post by Ron on Jan 17, 2022 11:25:08 GMT
He plays way more minuets than any of the other forwards so i would expect him to be top scorer A trier but very little quality, always seems to be panicking when in possession, thought he was pretty anonymous yesterday & the 20yr old making his league debut showed lovely touches & timing of the run He is no Mama or Walters lets not pretend Sidibe was prolific. Yes scored some big goals- but he never even hit double figures did he?
|
|
|
Post by hyaduck on Jan 17, 2022 11:25:37 GMT
I don't see us being a prem team anytime soon, thats the point. I do. We keep this manager and it'll happen ๐ Full of shite
|
|
|
Post by Ron on Jan 17, 2022 11:28:02 GMT
The lad has done a lot more than I ever thought he would. Needs to Work on his finishing- I thought heโd turned the corner - see the finishes against Huddersfield, Sheff utd and the disallowed one v qpr, however, he seems to struggle 1 v 1.
He is worth picking given work rate. Never going to be the main goal scorer but nothing wrong with a hard woker who hits 10 a season- which heโs on course for doing.
|
|
|
Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 17, 2022 11:37:38 GMT
He plays way more minuets than any of the other forwards so i would expect him to be top scorer A trier but very little quality, always seems to be panicking when in possession, thought he was pretty anonymous yesterday & the 20yr old making his league debut showed lovely touches & timing of the run He is no Mama or Walters Playing those many minuets I'd expect him to be waltzing around defences.
|
|
|
Post by mamasgloves on Jan 17, 2022 11:39:46 GMT
No you couldn't?! He has scored for fun at every level, that's why they signed him. Brown never has and doesn't show any sign of starting. Great work rate and application but just not a good striker in the slightest. It always comes back to some fans loving willing runners over slightly more temperamental skillful players. I'd much rather see Campbell out there personally Right well that's just not true Vardy's first season for Leicester, 29 games played, 5 goals. Vardy's second season for Leicester 41 games played with 16 goals. Vardy's third season for Leicester 36 games played with 5 goals. In that second season his record was alright, but far from remarkable. It's worth mentioning this is all at an age older than Jacob brown, when his position has always been striker. Brown has played a variety of positions in his career and I believe even grew up a winger so he's still learning his position aged only 23! The kid's fucking 23, and people are moaning that he isn't completely clinical. It's beggar's belief it really is My point refers to his goalscoring record up to the point he made his huge jump, he was always a goalscorer - Brown doesn't have that history that can be applied or hopefully recreated And better than 1 in 3 in the Championship having been plucked from non-league is just "alright"?!
|
|
|
Post by mamasgloves on Jan 17, 2022 11:40:35 GMT
When he was put through on goal by the Smith pass in the first-half he lost all composure. Powell dinks that over the keeper or Campbell would take it around him. He really should be scoring those more often than not. He was also put through in the second half and got the ball stuck under his feet. not once did he look up for that one with the open goal
|
|
|
Post by foster on Jan 17, 2022 11:55:55 GMT
Top scorer this season. Sink that one in! It's 'Let that sink in!'.
|
|