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Post by Veritas on Jan 10, 2022 17:04:47 GMT
These days Double barrel names usually mean multiple parents - so not posh Multiple parents! Is this as a result of a new scientific breakthrough.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 10, 2022 17:12:19 GMT
These days Double barrel names usually mean multiple parents - so not posh Multiple parents! Is this as a result of a new scientific breakthrough. Well you can do three parent IVF, but it’s a bit of an exaggeration considering that, while important, the mitochondrial genome is only somewhere between 16,569-16,571 base pairs long.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 10, 2022 17:12:26 GMT
These days Double barrel names usually mean multiple parents - so not posh Multiple parents! Is this as a result of a new scientific breakthrough. What! So we no longer have to reproduce by simple fission like an amoeba? Pull the other one!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2022 17:24:11 GMT
The pace aspect doesn't bother me. His passing does. He negates the system totally. Batth is an old school no nonsense defender who although limited with the ball brings commitment, desire, leadership and until recently 5 clean sheets out of 7 I believe. Right now he is not only the best option either side of ball playing centre back's but the only option. I actually find it refreshing to see a centre half actually being a centre half and doing something radical like tackling and heading.......... It’s great until it actually stifles the way we play totally. Teams target him and let him play. We cannot play how MON wants with Batth in the side.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2022 17:25:25 GMT
Teams still target him though and its easy to do. It hinders what we can do with the ball and MON will still have to go away from the possession game he wants to play. I don't deny it remains an issue but as I explained the issue is lessened considerably when he has footballers either side of him and potentially in front of him as well. For that reason I don't think we will need to dispense with the possession game. I think we will comfortably 'make do' until the summer with the help of this signing. I don’t think it is. Because they filter the ball to him so he still has way too much of it. You can’t play effective possession football and have Batth in the side.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jan 10, 2022 17:36:31 GMT
Batth is an old school no nonsense defender who although limited with the ball brings commitment, desire, leadership and until recently 5 clean sheets out of 7 I believe. Right now he is not only the best option either side of ball playing centre back's but the only option. I actually find it refreshing to see a centre half actually being a centre half and doing something radical like tackling and heading.......... It’s great until it actually stifles the way we play totally. Teams target him and let him play. We cannot play how MON wants with Batth in the side. It’s quite worrying how many people don’t see how much Batth completely kills our game.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 10, 2022 17:43:42 GMT
It’s great until it actually stifles the way we play totally. Teams target him and let him play. We cannot play how MON wants with Batth in the side. It’s quite worrying how many people don’t see how much Batth completely kills our game. It kills us at home especially, and with the option of going more direct with Fletcher injured it really limits our tactics......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2022 17:44:21 GMT
It’s great until it actually stifles the way we play totally. Teams target him and let him play. We cannot play how MON wants with Batth in the side. It’s quite worrying how many people don’t see how much Batth completely kills our game. It is and it’s been happening since he signed really. Teams just stand off him and let him play because they know they will get it back pretty soon. It’s so easy to do as well especially if you don’t have a midfield that can help. Ideally we will sign this dude and Panzo and play THB Wilmot Panzo. Batth is fine for the odd game but he can’t play regularly.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 10, 2022 17:47:40 GMT
It’s great until it actually stifles the way we play totally. Teams target him and let him play. We cannot play how MON wants with Batth in the side. It’s quite worrying how many people don’t see how much Batth completely kills our game. It's also worrying when people can't see a good defender and don't apreciate this as well. Some years ago we had another central defender not good enough on the ball so we sold him for peanuts to Leicester. A team need good defenders able to defend as well! We by the way brought in a fantastic ball playing central defender called Wimmer for far more than peanuts too!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 10, 2022 17:51:33 GMT
It’s quite worrying how many people don’t see how much Batth completely kills our game. It's also worrying when people can't see a good defender and don't apreciate this as well. Some years ago we had another central defender not good enough on the ball so we sold him for peanuts to Leicester. A team need good defenders able to defend as well! We by the way brought in a fantastic ball playing central defender called Wimmer for far more than peanuts too! He isn't a good defender though. Decent in the air and at last gap tackles, usually after being caught out of position, but lets people run in behind far too often and doesn't read the game well
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2022 17:52:29 GMT
It’s quite worrying how many people don’t see how much Batth completely kills our game. It's also worrying when people can't see a good defender and don't apreciate this as well. Some years ago we had another central defender not good enough on the ball so we sold him for peanuts to Leicester. A team need good defenders able to defend as well! We by the way brought in a fantastic ball playing central defender called Wimmer for far more than peanuts too! Wimmer wasn’t a fantastic ball player though 😂 And indeed the bigger mistake than letting Huth go imo was not using Muni in his back 3 and letting him go out loan. It was an appalling decision. Huth was also fine at passing. Batth isn’t.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 10, 2022 17:53:50 GMT
It’s quite worrying how many people don’t see how much Batth completely kills our game. It's also worrying when people can't see a good defender and don't apreciate this as well. Some years ago we had another central defender not good enough on the ball so we sold him for peanuts to Leicester. A team need good defenders able to defend as well! We by the way brought in a fantastic ball playing central defender called Wimmer for far more than peanuts too! As much as Batth “stifles our play”, he stands up well against most opposition target men in the league and provides a threat from set pieces. If his flaw is easy to find, perhaps Stoke players should be working together to make sure it’s as small a problem as possible? Isn’t a good team supposed to recognize individual weaknesses and seek to mitigate them? Campbell can’t defend, which massively hampers our ability to not concede. He should still be playing because our players should recognize that and deal with it.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 10, 2022 18:02:00 GMT
It's also worrying when people can't see a good defender and don't apreciate this as well. Some years ago we had another central defender not good enough on the ball so we sold him for peanuts to Leicester. A team need good defenders able to defend as well! We by the way brought in a fantastic ball playing central defender called Wimmer for far more than peanuts too! He isn't a good defender though. Decent in the air and at last gap tackles, usually after being caught out of position, but lets people run in behind far too often and doesn't read the game well Your opinion, but playing as a central defender behind a central midfield out of order is a nightmare for every defender, I can tell you that!
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 10, 2022 18:02:33 GMT
If we are going with 3 CB's moving forward, Baath simply can't be one of them. Teams have & will target him and allow him to have the ball. His thought process is so slow and allows teams to re group and we simply haven't the quality to break teams down..
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 10, 2022 18:03:24 GMT
It's also worrying when people can't see a good defender and don't apreciate this as well. Some years ago we had another central defender not good enough on the ball so we sold him for peanuts to Leicester. A team need good defenders able to defend as well! We by the way brought in a fantastic ball playing central defender called Wimmer for far more than peanuts too! Wimmer wasn’t a fantastic ball player though 😂 And indeed the bigger mistake than letting Huth go imo was not using Muni in his back 3 and letting him go out loan. It was an appalling decision. Huth was also fine at passing. Batth isn’t. Huth was mainly a very good defender, and he was good at set places too!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 10, 2022 18:29:46 GMT
If we carry on signing players with double barrel surnames it’ll sound like we’re passing the ball twice as quickly on Radio commentary. Nige will be tied in knots!
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Post by knype on Jan 10, 2022 18:31:28 GMT
One of 2 players coming from Manchester. Exciting signing Has to be Galbraith
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Post by lordb on Jan 10, 2022 18:34:46 GMT
One of 2 players coming from Manchester. Exciting signing Has to be Galbraith Or Delap Or Doyle Or one of the other ones
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 10, 2022 18:36:52 GMT
Could be Doyle, hasn't he had a loan cut short to return to City?.. or Monkeycat could be spinning us a yarn.😉
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Post by knype on Jan 10, 2022 18:37:28 GMT
Or Delap Or Doyle Or one of the other ones Defensive midfielder by all accounts, just what we need
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Post by lordb on Jan 10, 2022 18:38:01 GMT
Or Delap Or Doyle Or one of the other ones Defensive midfielder by all accounts, just what we need Galbraith or Doyle then
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 10, 2022 18:41:07 GMT
It’s great until it actually stifles the way we play totally. Teams target him and let him play. We cannot play how MON wants with Batth in the side. It’s quite worrying how many people don’t see how much Batth completely kills our game. It's also quite worrying how many people don't bother reading posts before they smash an answer off to perpetuate their agenda.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 10, 2022 18:42:11 GMT
Is he “in the building” yet?👀
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Post by knype on Jan 10, 2022 18:46:00 GMT
Defensive midfielder by all accounts, just what we need Galbraith or Doyle then Galbraith, Northern Ireland International too?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 10, 2022 18:54:10 GMT
It's also worrying when people can't see a good defender and don't apreciate this as well. Some years ago we had another central defender not good enough on the ball so we sold him for peanuts to Leicester. A team need good defenders able to defend as well! We by the way brought in a fantastic ball playing central defender called Wimmer for far more than peanuts too! As much as Batth “stifles our play”, he stands up well against most opposition target men in the league and provides a threat from set pieces. If his flaw is easy to find, perhaps Stoke players should be working together to make sure it’s as small a problem as possible? Isn’t a good team supposed to recognize individual weaknesses and seek to mitigate them? Campbell can’t defend, which massively hampers our ability to not concede. He should still be playing because our players should recognize that and deal with it. Exactly mate. Yesterday Campbell was beyond gash apart from one piece of absolute brilliance. If he can repeat that every game his team mates will or should compensate for his abject laziness in other aspects of his game. Take Ric as another example. Batth is poor, and even more crucially, slow on the ball but with 2 ball players either side of him that is mitigated to some degree, as long as Batth gets them on the ball (and him off it) as much as possible. I have recognised that teams are doubling up on Wilmot when we've had Batth and Fox on because they're both shit on the ball. With another baller the other side of him teams won't be able to do that which will hopefully open up both flanks. I suppose 'we'll see' ought to be the answer because unless we bring two centre halves in Batth is by a long way the least worst option.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 10, 2022 18:59:29 GMT
I don't deny it remains an issue but as I explained the issue is lessened considerably when he has footballers either side of him and potentially in front of him as well. For that reason I don't think we will need to dispense with the possession game. I think we will comfortably 'make do' until the summer with the help of this signing. I don’t think it is. Because they filter the ball to him so he still has way too much of it. You can’t play effective possession football and have Batth in the side. Then we need to work a way round it (by missing him out) or play Chester or Fox on the left and I don't need to tell you who teams will be targeting then.
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Post by monkeycat on Jan 10, 2022 18:59:40 GMT
Or Delap Or Doyle Or one of the other ones Galbraith is the one they are trying to get
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 19:02:52 GMT
Galbraith, Northern Ireland International too? He was on loan in the lower leagues wasn,'t he? Can't remember without Googling Edit...Doncaster, just had a peek
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 10, 2022 19:11:42 GMT
Cole Palmer looks a player, I wonder if he might be the mystery second player?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 10, 2022 19:12:50 GMT
Cole Palmer looks a player, I wonder if he might be the mystery second player? I think he’s too close to their first team squad
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