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Post by mowlee on Jan 10, 2022 12:58:26 GMT
Hopefully this fella will mean the last of Chester.. Chester’s free too join a circus ha ha!! I have no words too describe how bad he is.. one this for sure he must tickle mons apple fritter.. without a shadow of a doubt!! Tonge that hoopla
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 10, 2022 12:58:54 GMT
Well either MON is a very good liar, or a deal out for one of our players has been agreed. To be fair to MON, he's probably already accounted for this deal as part of the Ostigard loan return. He's probably talking about other deals outside of this one, which I think most would accept we probably need players out first. Absolutely, this deal would be subsidised by Man City (assuming the lad is on a half decent wage), whereas any deal for the likes of Panzo and we would have to pay his full wage.....
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 10, 2022 12:59:10 GMT
"Yeah, they could be down to the bare bones, on a horrible run of form…"
Wotcha, Harry.!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2022 12:59:37 GMT
I’m presuming it’ll be Wilmot Batth THB.
Which still leaves the Batth issue.
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Post by jokker on Jan 10, 2022 13:00:57 GMT
I’m presuming it’ll be Wilmot Batth THB. Which still leaves the Batth issue. MON will never dispense with Chester
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2022 13:10:04 GMT
I’m presuming it’ll be Wilmot Batth THB. Which still leaves the Batth issue. MON will never dispense with Chester Yesterday should be the end of him. One of the worst CB displays you're likely to see.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 10, 2022 13:12:51 GMT
I’m presuming it’ll be Wilmot Batth THB. Which still leaves the Batth issue. If this lad can play from the back on the left and is reasonably mobile, him and Wilmott either side of Batth should give us a reasonable balance, not sure we can do better in the circumstances.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 10, 2022 13:13:16 GMT
I’m presuming it’ll be Wilmot Batth THB. Which still leaves the Batth issue. If Batth had relatively pacey defenders around him, he’d be perfectly fine. There’s no way we should be looking to “solve” two defender positions in one window anyways. Central defence requires understanding as a unit, bringing in two new players to a back five will hobble us for a while, which won’t likely pay off half way through a season.
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Post by jokker on Jan 10, 2022 13:18:43 GMT
MON will never dispense with Chester Yesterday should be the end of him. One of the worst CB displays you're likely to see. I can't comment, as I've just seen a few highlights. But there's been enough bad games already. But it would seem the manager looks at Chester's influence in the dressing room more than performances. At least that's how it comes across in interviews.
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Post by ceejays on Jan 10, 2022 13:21:28 GMT
Well we saw yesterday why MON likes Chester. Namely he was for all his defensive flaws ( mainly because he’s too small ) good on the ball . MON wants to play this way and has done all season . Playing out from the back . Personally I blame guardiola as all teams seem to play this way now . Even the keeper. Yesterday Chester brought the ball out of defence a good few times. Generally he was very good in that . However he’s just dire at defending. He got under the ball and flicked it on straight to their forward who thankfully cocked it up . Then the Fox mix up and several other calamities. They have to outweigh him playing out from the back , let’s hope he’s sidelined to a bit part role
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Post by andystokey on Jan 10, 2022 13:25:14 GMT
Well we saw yesterday why MON likes Chester. Namely he was for all his defensive flaws ( mainly because he’s too small ) good on the ball . MON wants to play this way and has done all season . Playing out from the back . Personally I blame guardiola as all teams seem to play this way now . Even the keeper. Yesterday Chester brought the ball out of defence a good few times. Generally he was very good in that . However he’s just dire at defending. He got under the ball and flicked it on straight to their forward who thankfully cocked it up . Then the Fox mix up and several other calamities. They have to outweigh him playing out from the back , let’s hope he’s sidelined to a bit part role In fairness there was so much free grass to walk into yesterday afternoon almost anyone could have gained 25 yards without a challenge. As you say the minute someone presses or the ball needs playing quickly I only trust Wilmot to be vaguely competent in Harry's absence.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 10, 2022 13:42:07 GMT
I’m presuming it’ll be Wilmot Batth THB. Which still leaves the Batth issue. If Batth had relatively pacey defenders around him, he’d be perfectly fine. There’s no way we should be looking to “solve” two defender positions in one window anyways. Central defence requires understanding as a unit, bringing in two new players to a back five will hobble us for a while, which won’t likely pay off half way through a season. He isn’t fine in any plan that involves building play from the back, he’s simply clueless with the ball at his feet.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2022 13:45:19 GMT
I’m presuming it’ll be Wilmot Batth THB. Which still leaves the Batth issue. If Batth had relatively pacey defenders around him, he’d be perfectly fine. There’s no way we should be looking to “solve” two defender positions in one window anyways. Central defence requires understanding as a unit, bringing in two new players to a back five will hobble us for a while, which won’t likely pay off half way through a season. The pace aspect doesn't bother me. His passing does. He negates the system totally.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 10, 2022 13:49:25 GMT
If Batth had relatively pacey defenders around him, he’d be perfectly fine. There’s no way we should be looking to “solve” two defender positions in one window anyways. Central defence requires understanding as a unit, bringing in two new players to a back five will hobble us for a while, which won’t likely pay off half way through a season. The pace aspect doesn't bother me. His passing does. He negates the system totally. Then he just needs to be told to pass the ball sideways, or better still Allen should recognize this limitation and come deep to collect the ball from him. He doesn’t need to make a defence splitting pass, he just needs to give it to a player nearby.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jan 10, 2022 13:53:51 GMT
Does this then put the talk of John Soutar joining us to rest
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Post by lordb on Jan 10, 2022 13:56:22 GMT
The pace aspect doesn't bother me. His passing does. He negates the system totally. Then he just needs to be told to pass the ball sideways, or better still Allen should recognize this limitation and come deep to collect the ball from him. He doesn’t need to make a defence splitting pass, he just needs to give it to a player nearby. He can & does do this however for the wing back system to work better we need the ball out to them quicker & higher up the pitch To be fair to Batth he has bene consistent since his return to the side, has cut out the clangers which marked his time before To be fair to Chester his passing is miles better than Batth's but you can't defend like he did yesterday it's not acceptable Wilmot looks better alongside Batth + Batth carries goalscoring threat from set pieces Until such time as we can play 3 ball playing competent CB's Batth should play
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Post by foster on Jan 10, 2022 13:56:44 GMT
Never heard of him. Would prefer PL cast offs with experience, like Vrancic
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 10, 2022 13:58:00 GMT
Does this then put the talk of John Soutar joining us to rest I think it's safe to say with the other interested parties our interest is over (barring us getting someone out the door first)
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Post by lordb on Jan 10, 2022 13:59:22 GMT
Does this then put the talk of John Soutar joining us to rest in this window? for sure , O'Neill stated they were looking elsewhere after his agent asked for bigger wages following Sheffield United interest If JS doesn't leave Hearts this window then we will still be high up on the players list re moving on a free for the summer Presumably he will sign for Sheff U this window
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 10, 2022 14:00:46 GMT
Then he just needs to be told to pass the ball sideways, or better still Allen should recognize this limitation and come deep to collect the ball from him. He doesn’t need to make a defence splitting pass, he just needs to give it to a player nearby. He can & does do this however for the wing back system to work better we need the ball out to them quicker & higher up the pitch To be fair to Batth he has bene consistent since his return to the side, has cut out the clangers which marked his time before To be fair to Chester his passing is miles better than Batth's but you can't defend like he did yesterday it's not acceptable Wilmot looks better alongside Batth + Batth carries goalscoring threat from set pieces Until such time as we can play 3 ball playing competent CB's Batth should play Agree its as good as we can hope for
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 10, 2022 14:22:18 GMT
I’m presuming it’ll be Wilmot Batth THB. Which still leaves the Batth issue. There isn't an issue with Batth. He's a solid defender who plays within his capabilities. The issue is you've taken against Batth and no matter how well he plays you won't give him credit. He's been our second best defender this season after Souttar and has hardly put a foot wrong.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 10, 2022 14:28:08 GMT
MON will never dispense with Chester Yesterday should be the end of him. One of the worst CB displays you're likely to see. Even the pass out to Doughty who crossed for the Ince goal,was only accurate because he slipped when making it.Abject doesn't begin to describe his performance. He is meant to be a calming influence for the younger players,but he actually creates chaos.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 10, 2022 14:34:23 GMT
I’m presuming it’ll be Wilmot Batth THB. Which still leaves the Batth issue. We need to pull the plug on Batth 😉
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2022 14:36:02 GMT
I’m presuming it’ll be Wilmot Batth THB. Which still leaves the Batth issue. There isn't an issue with Batth. He's a solid defender who plays within his capabilities. The issue is you've taken against Batth and no matter how well he plays you won't give him credit. He's been our second best defender this season after Souttar and has hardly put a foot wrong. There is an issue. Teams let him have the ball because they know he can't do shit with it. You either have to play a counter attacking game or not play him at all. He's been a big reason why it's gone to shit.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 10, 2022 14:57:27 GMT
There isn't an issue with Batth. He's a solid defender who plays within his capabilities. The issue is you've taken against Batth and no matter how well he plays you won't give him credit. He's been our second best defender this season after Souttar and has hardly put a foot wrong. There is an issue. Teams let him have the ball because they know he can't do shit with it. You either have to play a counter attacking game or not play him at all. He's been a big reason why it's gone to shit. But it reduces massively as an issue if he's got players either side of him that he can pass to who CAN play football. And if this new lad does come in that will be the case with him and Wilmot. And also if we have a midfielder who actually comes looking for the ball (and Thompson strikes me as that player) then he would have another option. As long as he offloads to these players asap and doesn't dick about it won't slow our transition down too much and he can concentrate on doing what he does best ie defend. So until we can get a player in the middle who can defend and play football, either Souttar back or a replacement in the summer, then as far as I'm concerned it will do for now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 14:59:36 GMT
Percy says he's having medical today
I hope Percy gets an all clear
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2022 15:12:26 GMT
There is an issue. Teams let him have the ball because they know he can't do shit with it. You either have to play a counter attacking game or not play him at all. He's been a big reason why it's gone to shit. But it reduces massively as an issue if he's got players either side of him that he can pass to who CAN play football. And if this new lad does come in that will be the case with him and Wilmot. And also if we have a midfielder who actually comes looking for the ball (and Thompson strikes me as that player) then he would have another option. As long as he offloads to these players asap and doesn't dick about it won't slow our transition down too much and he can concentrate on doing what he does best ie defend. So until we can get a player in the middle who can defend and play football, either Souttar back or a replacement in the summer, then as far as I'm concerned it will do for now. Teams still target him though and its easy to do. It hinders what we can do with the ball and MON will still have to go away from the possession game he wants to play.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 10, 2022 15:17:01 GMT
Hopefully this fella will mean the last of Chester.. Chester’s free too join a circus ha ha!! I have no words too describe how bad he is.. one this for sure he must tickle mons apple fritter.. without a shadow of a doubt!! Tonge that hoopla I'd play the lads granny before Chester. Chester could have cost us the game yesterday,on more than 1 occation.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 10, 2022 15:21:29 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 10, 2022 15:23:21 GMT
Let’s hope he came off at J15 to Clayton Woods and not J16 down the A500 😉
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