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Post by ontheup on Apr 23, 2022 20:12:29 GMT
Apart from one mistake from Bursik's pass he was excellent today playing on his wrong side. What about the pass from wilmot? Apart from being comfortable on the left side he's not as good as Wilmott at CB in my eyes. sorry, senior moment. Wilmot's pass. |
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Post by gaznandi on Jun 22, 2022 13:20:36 GMT
Probably already mentioned in the Summer Targets thread but much talk of being very close to joining Kompany at Burnley.
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Post by ontheup on Jun 22, 2022 13:25:28 GMT
Probably already mentioned in the Summer Targets thread but much talk of being very close to joining Kompany at Burnley. Kompany obviously doesn't read the Oatcake. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 22, 2022 13:27:20 GMT
Probably already mentioned in the Summer Targets thread but much talk of being very close to joining Kompany at Burnley. He got a lot of praise from MON, but I actually thought he was a liability at times. How he could do some of the mistakes he did without losing his place in the side is still a riddle to me. If Forrester had done the same mistakes we probably wouldn't have seen him back in the team again at all!  |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 22, 2022 13:44:05 GMT
Probably already mentioned in the Summer Targets thread but much talk of being very close to joining Kompany at Burnley. He got a lot of praise from MON, but I actually thought he was a liability at times. How he could do some of the mistakes he did without losing his place in the side is still a riddle to me. If Forrester had done the same mistakes we probably wouldn't have seen him back in the team again at all!  It's what you call shite man management. Individual errors aplenty without consequence and inconsistent treatment breeds resentment. |
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 22, 2022 13:47:51 GMT
Probably already mentioned in the Summer Targets thread but much talk of being very close to joining Kompany at Burnley. He got a lot of praise from MON, but I actually thought he was a liability at times. How he could do some of the mistakes he did without losing his place in the side is still a riddle to me. If Forrester had done the same mistakes we probably wouldn't have seen him back in the team again at all! Shows how much O’Neill knew! Signed him and never dropped him, mistake after mistake!!!!! |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 22, 2022 14:23:28 GMT
20 year old footballer makes a few mistakes in a bang average team playing along side a questionable defence and he wanted dropping.
How to bring on a young talent (not)……..only on the Oatcake
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Post by hcstokie on Jun 22, 2022 14:30:43 GMT
20 year old footballer makes a few mistakes in a bang average team playing along side a questionable defence and he wanted dropping. How to bring on a young talent (not)……..only on the Oatcake I think his point was that we could have afforded a chance (or more than one) to our own youngster rather than Man City’s |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 22, 2022 14:40:32 GMT
20 year old footballer makes a few mistakes in a bang average team playing along side a questionable defence and he wanted dropping. How to bring on a young talent (not)……..only on the Oatcake He made far more individual errors than Ostigaard, Wilmot or Forrester all of who are also young players and two of whom are contracted to our club. It was a clear case of double standards and inconsistency of treatment. It's bad man management. |
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 22, 2022 14:42:38 GMT
20 year old footballer makes a few mistakes in a bang average team playing along side a questionable defence and he wanted dropping. How to bring on a young talent (not)……..only on the Oatcake He made far more individual errors than Ostigaard, Wilmot or Forrester all of who are also young players and two of whom are contracted to our club. It was a clear case of double standards and inconsistency of treatment. It's bad man management. MON was likely backed into a corner to be honest. We threw away our chances of promotion/playoffs. The next best thing we could have done was get a good loan report back to the bigger teams in hopes we can get better/more suited players next time. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 22, 2022 14:51:32 GMT
He made far more individual errors than Ostigaard, Wilmot or Forrester all of who are also young players and two of whom are contracted to our club. It was a clear case of double standards and inconsistency of treatment. It's bad man management. MON was likely backed into a corner to be honest. We threw away our chances of promotion/playoffs. The next best thing we could have done was get a good loan report back to the bigger teams in hopes we can get better/more suited players next time. Obviously we want to maintain that relationship but not at any expense. Fairness is a basic expectation. If the manager can't be seen to be consistent in the way he treats players that will breed resentment toward the manager and the player receiving the preferential treatment. Both THB and Chester received more playing time than their performances merited at the expense of the others mentioned who all received less playing time than their performances merited. |
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Post by gaznandi on Jun 22, 2022 15:01:54 GMT
20 year old footballer makes a few mistakes in a bang average team playing along side a questionable defence and he wanted dropping. How to bring on a young talent (not)……..only on the Oatcake I think his point was that we could have afforded a chance (or more than one) to our own youngster rather than Man City’s Yet everyone to a man wants Liam Delap 😁 |
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Post by TinkerT on Jun 22, 2022 15:10:55 GMT
I think his point was that we could have afforded a chance (or more than one) to our own youngster rather than Man City’s Yet everyone to a man wants Liam Delap 😁 I don't. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 22, 2022 15:13:04 GMT
I think his point was that we could have afforded a chance (or more than one) to our own youngster rather than Man City’s Yet everyone to a man wants Liam Delap 😁 I wouldn't say that. I've never seen Liam Delap play and would bet a large percentage of Stoke fans haven't either. I'll watch with interest if we get him but for the reason explained his name does not excite me. |
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Post by hcstokie on Jun 22, 2022 15:16:33 GMT
I think his point was that we could have afforded a chance (or more than one) to our own youngster rather than Man City’s Yet everyone to a man wants Liam Delap 😁 We had loads of CBS last year, plus a couple who should now be looking to begin breaking through in Taylor and Forrester. Up front we have nothing behind the first team options, which will be weaker than last year. |
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Post by Goonie on Jun 22, 2022 15:23:32 GMT
Hopefully goes Burnley with, one assumes, the same contract we had that he had to play x games or they would be a penalty payment
It's the only rationale behind him being unstoppable under MON
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Post by medwaypotter on Jun 22, 2022 15:25:45 GMT
MON was likely backed into a corner to be honest. We threw away our chances of promotion/playoffs. The next best thing we could have done was get a good loan report back to the bigger teams in hopes we can get better/more suited players next time. Obviously we want to maintain that relationship but not at any expense. Fairness is a basic expectation. If the manager can't be seen to be consistent in the way he treats players that will breed resentment toward the manager and the player receiving the preferential treatment. Both THB and Chester received more playing time than their performances merited at the expense of the others mentioned who all received less playing time than their performances merited. Chester played 16 games. |
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 22, 2022 15:34:56 GMT
Stating that Forrester would have been a better option than TBH is really an argument that can't be lost, so I can see how posters who go on repeating this every 5 minutes can get off on it. I'm not sure how anyone can claim it to be bad management without the evidence that it was in fact the worst option.
Of course it's just an hypothetical opinion.
TBH did make more errors than Ostigard & Forrester but the fact that he played more games than them 2 combined might also have something to do with it.
I think TBH was pretty decent tbh and not surprised Kompany is going to sign him.
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Post by a on Jun 22, 2022 15:55:29 GMT
20 year old footballer makes a few mistakes in a bang average team playing along side a questionable defence and he wanted dropping. How to bring on a young talent (not)……..only on the Oatcake I was thinking the same. Maybe lower our expectations when it comes to youngsters. I know I give Bayern a hard time but we need to appreciate that we might get a couple of real gems every 4-5 years? Maybe longer. A club won’t loan us their next star unless they had no playing time for them, see Conor Gallagher at Chelsea. More often than not you get a THB or JPB. |
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Post by lordb on Jun 22, 2022 15:57:07 GMT
Yet everyone to a man wants Liam Delap 😁 I wouldn't say that. I've never seen Liam Delap play and would bet a large percentage of Stoke fans haven't either. I'll watch with interest if we get him but for the reason explained his name does not excite me. I was of the same view, then I saw him play superstar in the making |
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Post by onepara on Jun 22, 2022 16:04:09 GMT
He came on as a sub the other night, ran around a bit but didn't show up much. Didn't look a super-sub, anyway.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 22, 2022 16:08:13 GMT
Obviously we want to maintain that relationship but not at any expense. Fairness is a basic expectation. If the manager can't be seen to be consistent in the way he treats players that will breed resentment toward the manager and the player receiving the preferential treatment. Both THB and Chester received more playing time than their performances merited at the expense of the others mentioned who all received less playing time than their performances merited. Chester played 16 games. That was about 15 too many. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 22, 2022 16:12:39 GMT
Stating that Forrester would have been a better option than TBH is really an argument that can't be lost, so I can see how posters who go on repeating this every 5 minutes can get off on it. I'm not sure how anyone can claim it to be bad management without the evidence that it was in fact the worst option. Of course it's just an hypothetical opinion. TBH did make more errors than Ostigard & Forrester but the fact that he played more games than them 2 combined might also have something to do with it. I think TBH was pretty decent tbh and not surprised Kompany is going to sign him. Who's saying that though? THB made errors that would have seen the others mentioned dropped but he kept his place. I'm certainly not saying one was a better option than any other I'm saying I would have liked to see them treated consistently, fairly and judged by the same standards. They weren't. |
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Post by questionable on Jun 22, 2022 16:47:03 GMT
Stating that Forrester would have been a better option than TBH is really an argument that can't be lost, so I can see how posters who go on repeating this every 5 minutes can get off on it. I'm not sure how anyone can claim it to be bad management without the evidence that it was in fact the worst option. Of course it's just an hypothetical opinion. TBH did make more errors than Ostigard & Forrester but the fact that he played more games than them 2 combined might also have something to do with it. I think TBH was pretty decent tbh and not surprised Kompany is going to sign him. Who's saying that though? THB made errors that would have seen the others mentioned dropped but he kept his place. I'm certainly not saying one was a better option than any other I'm saying I would have liked to see them treated consistently, fairly and judged by the same standards. They weren't. Adding to the fact he must have missed 5 easier to score chances, dreadful finishing regardless of his position, obviously cost us. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 22, 2022 16:49:01 GMT
That was about 15 too many. 16 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 22, 2022 19:41:10 GMT
He made far more individual errors than Ostigaard, Wilmot or Forrester all of who are also young players and two of whom are contracted to our club. It was a clear case of double standards and inconsistency of treatment. It's bad man management. MON was likely backed into a corner to be honest. We threw away our chances of promotion/playoffs. The next best thing we could have done was get a good loan report back to the bigger teams in hopes we can get better/more suited players next time. The best thing we could do was play our own players. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 22, 2022 19:45:46 GMT
Stating that Forrester would have been a better option than TBH is really an argument that can't be lost, so I can see how posters who go on repeating this every 5 minutes can get off on it. I'm not sure how anyone can claim it to be bad management without the evidence that it was in fact the worst option. Of course it's just an hypothetical opinion. TBH did make more errors than Ostigard & Forrester but the fact that he played more games than them 2 combined might also have something to do with it. I think TBH was pretty decent tbh and not surprised Kompany is going to sign him. Ostigard was streets ahead of him. I was shocked at how nervous he looked with the ball tbh. The most startling example of that being when that one bounced off his shin and nearly went in. He could be a very good player but he made a big mistake every other game, which is fine with his age but by the time the season was over, March you should be using your own players and develop them. There's no logical reason to not to, especially when they do stuff every other game to be dropped. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 22, 2022 20:30:59 GMT
He’ll go on to play in the top flight, made 3/4 big mistakes last season but talk of him being a liability etc. is way off the mark…….
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Post by wakeypotter on Jun 22, 2022 20:43:18 GMT
Stating that Forrester would have been a better option than TBH is really an argument that can't be lost, so I can see how posters who go on repeating this every 5 minutes can get off on it. I'm not sure how anyone can claim it to be bad management without the evidence that it was in fact the worst option. Of course it's just an hypothetical opinion. TBH did make more errors than Ostigard & Forrester but the fact that he played more games than them 2 combined might also have something to do with it. I think TBH was pretty decent tbh and not surprised Kompany is going to sign him. Ostigard was streets ahead of him. I was shocked at how nervous he looked with the ball tbh. The most startling example of that being when that one bounced off his shin and nearly went in. He could be a very good player but he made a big mistake every other game, which is fine with his age but by the time the season was over, March you should be using your own players and develop them. There's no logical reason to not to, especially when they do stuff every other game to be dropped. I’m just glad he’s not coming back. Didn’t rate him personally |
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 22, 2022 21:23:22 GMT
Stating that Forrester would have been a better option than TBH is really an argument that can't be lost, so I can see how posters who go on repeating this every 5 minutes can get off on it. I'm not sure how anyone can claim it to be bad management without the evidence that it was in fact the worst option. Of course it's just an hypothetical opinion. TBH did make more errors than Ostigard & Forrester but the fact that he played more games than them 2 combined might also have something to do with it. I think TBH was pretty decent tbh and not surprised Kompany is going to sign him. Ostigard was streets ahead of him. I was shocked at how nervous he looked with the ball tbh. The most startling example of that being when that one bounced off his shin and nearly went in. He could be a very good player but he made a big mistake every other game, which is fine with his age but by the time the season was over, March you should be using your own players and develop them. There's no logical reason to not to, especially when they do stuff every other game to be dropped. I agree, Forrester should have been used much more. I disagree however that it’s fine to make a big mistake every other game. It’s not. If a player has that in their locker, they are likely playing in a league too high, or a system that doesn’t suit them. I’ll never accept “oh, he’s still young” as an excuse for constant mistakes. A few more than the seasoned pros, sure. But it’s not okay to make a potential game costing error every match and be excused by “well he may be good in 5 years”. |
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