|
Post by jeycov on Jan 16, 2022 8:24:31 GMT
Doesn't he now have to declare this deportation on any future visas for entry into other countries? Will be fun to see if any other countries have the bollocks to refuse him entry. I hope we don’t let him in for Wimbledon without getting vaccinated or having a valid medical exemption. He may have to self isolate for up to 10 days - rules may well have changed by the summer Birmingham are hosting the Commonwealth games in the summer so the same rules should apply Be interesting to soo how other “ grand slam“ countries react to this
|
|
|
Post by Boothen on Jan 16, 2022 8:28:46 GMT
I hope we don’t let him in for Wimbledon without getting vaccinated or having a valid medical exemption. Why? We have no border rules on vaccination for Covid. I assume you just want to single him out prejudicially because you don't like him. No we don't, but I believe that we do have rules that can be applied to deny him entry due to his previously having been deported from Australia.
|
|
|
Post by andystokey on Jan 16, 2022 8:28:48 GMT
|
|
|
Post by xchpotter on Jan 16, 2022 9:25:16 GMT
It should be a privilege and not a right to enter any country. When I go abroad I consider myself to be a guest in that country who have given good grace to allow me in. I accept they can kick me out at any time so I ensure I respect their laws, their culture and am mindful of topical and historical matters that may be sensitive. I only wished the UK was the same, but we seem content to let anyone in. In my opinion entering another country should be no different to your own house, you decide who comes in and if you don’t like it you have the right to refuse entry or remove someone ( partner and kids aside 😂).
|
|
|
Post by cerebralstokie on Jan 16, 2022 9:35:25 GMT
"pour encourager les autres" (Exemplary punishment - I think originating from the execution of Admiral Bing for failing to successfully defend Minorca from attack.)
|
|
|
Post by franklin on Jan 16, 2022 9:46:22 GMT
It's a ridiculous ott reaction of a paranoid government their reasons are hysterical.
|
|
|
Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 16, 2022 9:52:50 GMT
|
|
|
Post by dutchstokie on Jan 16, 2022 9:59:22 GMT
9 pages of ‘will he won’t je’ ‘those nasty ozzies, ‘he has the right to play’ , turf him out’
If you don’t follow a specific country’s rules expect the consequences……. Simple really
What a cerfuffle over nothing
|
|
|
Post by franklin on Jan 16, 2022 10:24:03 GMT
9 pages of ‘will he won’t je’ ‘those nasty ozzies, ‘he has the right to play’ , turf him out’ If you don’t follow a specific country’s rules expect the consequences……. Simple really What a cerfuffle over nothing What rules has he broke?
|
|
|
Post by noustie on Jan 16, 2022 10:36:59 GMT
An Australian immigration lawyer was on the BBC earlier and basically said what the Immigration Minister wants they typically get in an appeal.
Surely the focus should be on their legal system rather than the celebrity as the political superseding the judicial is surely more dangerous to public health than one geezer living in a bubble; even his influence would be minimal given their vaccination rates.
|
|
|
Post by franklin on Jan 16, 2022 10:42:43 GMT
An Australian immigration lawyer was on the BBC earlier and basically said what the Immigration Minister wants they typically get in an appeal. Surely the focus should be on their legal system rather than the celebrity as the political superseding the judicial is surely more dangerous to public health than one geezer living in a bubble; even his influence would be minimal given their vaccination rates. It appears they have thrown him out for being an "anti vax icon" and "his presence with encourage dissent and disorder" not for breaching rules. I'd have no issues whatsoever if they had found he lied or falsified details of his visa application and used that as the reasoning but I'm not sure that's been the case.
|
|
|
Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 16, 2022 10:49:00 GMT
|
|
|
Post by noustie on Jan 16, 2022 10:54:36 GMT
An Australian immigration lawyer was on the BBC earlier and basically said what the Immigration Minister wants they typically get in an appeal. Surely the focus should be on their legal system rather than the celebrity as the political superseding the judicial is surely more dangerous to public health than one geezer living in a bubble; even his influence would be minimal given their vaccination rates. It appears they have thrown him out for being an "anti vax icon" and "his presence with encourage dissent and disorder" not for breaching rules. I'd have no issues whatsoever if they had found he lied or falsified details of his visa application and used that as the reasoning but I'm not sure that's been the case. Yeah mate agree - if the immigration minister went with jiggerypockery on the form then fair enough he's broke the law. Their case instead seems to be based around fucking up giving him a visa in the first place then asking for legal recourse to get themselves out of the shit because the natives might get restless. Seems more troubling than the medical records and movements of a tennis player to me.
|
|
|
Post by oggyoggy on Jan 16, 2022 11:59:50 GMT
I hope we don’t let him in for Wimbledon without getting vaccinated or having a valid medical exemption. Why? We have no border rules on vaccination for Covid. I assume you just want to single him out prejudicially because you don't like him. I don’t want the anti-vax poster boy who completely disregards isolation rules when he has covid coming to England. As a big tennis fan, I confidently say he is the greatest tennis player ever. Strange how he ignores medical science and prioritises not having a vaccine over his career. We know he has no medical exemption to having a vaccine else he would be playing in Melbourne. It will be interesting to see how the French treat him for Roland Garros.
|
|
|
Post by andystokey on Jan 16, 2022 12:14:58 GMT
Why? We have no border rules on vaccination for Covid. I assume you just want to single him out prejudicially because you don't like him. I don’t want the anti-vax poster boy who completely disregards isolation rules when he has covid coming to England. As a big tennis fan, I confidently say he is the greatest tennis player ever. Strange how he ignores medical science and prioritises not having a vaccine over his career. We know he has no medical exemption to having a vaccine else he would be playing in Melbourne. It will be interesting to see how the French treat him for Roland Garros. I'd like to hope no country treats him any different than any other citizen. That's the whole point of the Australian position surely.
|
|
|
Post by superjw on Jan 16, 2022 13:53:38 GMT
Why? We have no border rules on vaccination for Covid. I assume you just want to single him out prejudicially because you don't like him. I don’t want the anti-vax poster boy who completely disregards isolation rules when he has covid coming to England. As a big tennis fan, I confidently say he is the greatest tennis player ever. Strange how he ignores medical science and prioritises not having a vaccine over his career. We know he has no medical exemption to having a vaccine else he would be playing in Melbourne. It will be interesting to see how the French treat him for Roland Garros. Do France currently have a vaccine only entry policy? If they don't then the only people who can stop him playing in France are the French Tennis Authorities, which is incredibly unlikely.
|
|
|
Post by superjw on Jan 16, 2022 13:59:34 GMT
Aparrently now calls into question the ability for Australia to host their Open in the future too.
|
|
|
Post by Royal Donut on Jan 16, 2022 14:05:49 GMT
Well if you don't have the top players at these competitions then, the Australian open is no longer a big competition. It should be moved to a country where all the best can play.
|
|
|
Post by Royal Donut on Jan 16, 2022 14:11:03 GMT
Why? We have no border rules on vaccination for Covid. I assume you just want to single him out prejudicially because you don't like him. I don’t want the anti-vax poster boy who completely disregards isolation rules when he has covid coming to England. As a big tennis fan, I confidently say he is the greatest tennis player ever. Strange how he ignores medical science and prioritises not having a vaccine over his career. We know he has no medical exemption to having a vaccine else he would be playing in Melbourne. It will be interesting to see how the French treat him for Roland Garros. I suppose some people don't want the vaccine, maybe you can tell me some medium and long term data from medical science. I'll just let you know you won't find any and maybe his health comes before his career. Some people have it some don't, it's personal choice, alot of people have had every vaccine in their life bar this one,,,, does that make you an anti vaxxer?
|
|
|
Post by felonious on Jan 16, 2022 14:44:08 GMT
An Australian immigration lawyer was on the BBC earlier and basically said what the Immigration Minister wants they typically get in an appeal. Surely the focus should be on their legal system rather than the celebrity as the political superseding the judicial is surely more dangerous to public health than one geezer living in a bubble; even his influence would be minimal given their vaccination rates. As we've found out here in the last several weeks there's as much danger from vaccinated people with the latest cold spreading through a heavily vaccinated population like wildfire. This is a quote from the BBC... "Although Djokovic is not vaccinated against Covid-19, he has not actively promoted anti-vax disinformation. However, Australian anti-vaxxers have been using the hashtag #IStandWithDjokovic on social media." He can't control what hysteria goes on on social media. It should be a matter of personal choice for an elite athlete to decide whether to vaccinate or not. He's under no threat from the disease himself and is no more threat to anyone else than a vaccinated individual.
|
|
|
Post by felonious on Jan 16, 2022 14:51:35 GMT
Why? We have no border rules on vaccination for Covid. I assume you just want to single him out prejudicially because you don't like him. I don’t want the anti-vax poster boy who completely disregards isolation rules when he has covid coming to England. As a big tennis fan, I confidently say he is the greatest tennis player ever. Strange how he ignores medical science and prioritises not having a vaccine over his career. We know he has no medical exemption to having a vaccine else he would be playing in Melbourne. It will be interesting to see how the French treat him for Roland Garros. Are the vaccinations absolutely safe Oggy? Do they have any adverse effects on the performance of elite sportsmen? Is it too early to say?
|
|
|
Post by oggyoggy on Jan 16, 2022 15:08:18 GMT
I don’t want the anti-vax poster boy who completely disregards isolation rules when he has covid coming to England. As a big tennis fan, I confidently say he is the greatest tennis player ever. Strange how he ignores medical science and prioritises not having a vaccine over his career. We know he has no medical exemption to having a vaccine else he would be playing in Melbourne. It will be interesting to see how the French treat him for Roland Garros. I suppose some people don't want the vaccine, maybe you can tell me some medium and long term data from medical science. I'll just let you know you won't find any and maybe his health comes before his career. Some people have it some don't, it's personal choice, alot of people have had every vaccine in their life bar this one,,,, does that make you an anti vaxxer? The data is clear. If you have the vaccine, you are less likely to need to use health service resources. If you have covid and you isolate, you are less likely to spread it. Djokovic hasn’t done either of those things, and under Australian law he had to have a medical exemption to the vaccine to get in, or have it. He didn’t do it. He was deported. Good on Australia. There is no medical reason for Djokovic to not have the vaccine. Else he would be playing in Australia.
|
|
|
Post by oggyoggy on Jan 16, 2022 15:10:04 GMT
I don’t want the anti-vax poster boy who completely disregards isolation rules when he has covid coming to England. As a big tennis fan, I confidently say he is the greatest tennis player ever. Strange how he ignores medical science and prioritises not having a vaccine over his career. We know he has no medical exemption to having a vaccine else he would be playing in Melbourne. It will be interesting to see how the French treat him for Roland Garros. Do France currently have a vaccine only entry policy? If they don't then the only people who can stop him playing in France are the French Tennis Authorities, which is incredibly unlikely. I don’t know. He may have to isolate and we know he doesn’t do that when he should. So the French may be cautious.
|
|
|
Post by oggyoggy on Jan 16, 2022 15:13:55 GMT
I don’t want the anti-vax poster boy who completely disregards isolation rules when he has covid coming to England. As a big tennis fan, I confidently say he is the greatest tennis player ever. Strange how he ignores medical science and prioritises not having a vaccine over his career. We know he has no medical exemption to having a vaccine else he would be playing in Melbourne. It will be interesting to see how the French treat him for Roland Garros. Are the vaccinations absolutely safe Oggy? Do they have any adverse effects on the performance of elite sportsmen? Is it too early to say? The evidence suggest they are totally safe for elite level sportsman. The majority of elite level sportsman have been vaccinated and have seen no adverse impacts. The clearest evidence is that not having the vaccine increases the likelihood of more severe covid, and the perhaps unnecessary waste of health services. The other clear evidence is that if you have covid and isolate, you are less likely to spread it. Djokovic didn’t isolate when he had covid. Selfish and arrogant. He deserves to have to deal with the consequences of his actions. It is rare that the rich and powerful are made to.
|
|
|
Post by felonious on Jan 16, 2022 15:28:55 GMT
Are the vaccinations absolutely safe Oggy? Do they have any adverse effects on the performance of elite sportsmen? Is it too early to say? The evidence suggest they are totally safe for elite level sportsman. The majority of elite level sportsman have been vaccinated and have seen no adverse impacts. The clearest evidence is that not having the vaccine increases the likelihood of more severe covid, and the perhaps unnecessary waste of health services. The other clear evidence is that if you have covid and isolate, you are less likely to spread it. Djokovic didn’t isolate when he had covid. Selfish and arrogant. He deserves to have to deal with the consequences of his actions. It is rare that the rich and powerful are made to. No adverse effects on heart function? The likelihood for elite sportsmen is very little effect if any from Covid. They're not unfit, they're not overweight, they don't have multiple comorbidities, everything is in their favour and they most certainly won't be a drain on a national health service. He shouldn't be penalised for being "rich and powerful" whatever that means. Like anyone else rich or poor he should have the freedom to make personal choices.... they're being eroded by the day by coercion.
|
|
|
Post by skemstokie on Jan 16, 2022 15:40:03 GMT
An Australian immigration lawyer was on the BBC earlier and basically said what the Immigration Minister wants they typically get in an appeal. Surely the focus should be on their legal system rather than the celebrity as the political superseding the judicial is surely more dangerous to public health than one geezer living in a bubble; even his influence would be minimal given their vaccination rates. Was he in a bubble when he did a interview for the French sports magazine while positive?
|
|
|
Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 16, 2022 16:27:16 GMT
Are the vaccinations absolutely safe Oggy? Do they have any adverse effects on the performance of elite sportsmen? Is it too early to say? The evidence suggest they are totally safe for elite level sportsman. The majority of elite level sportsman have been vaccinated and have seen no adverse impacts. The clearest evidence is that not having the vaccine increases the likelihood of more severe covid, and the perhaps unnecessary waste of health services. The other clear evidence is that if you have covid and isolate, you are less likely to spread it. Djokovic didn’t isolate when he had covid. Selfish and arrogant. He deserves to have to deal with the consequences of his actions. It is rare that the rich and powerful are made to. So why was Moderna suspended for use in the under 30’s (the vast majority of professional tennis players falling into this bracket), only weeks after the scientists said it was safe for all age groups?
|
|
|
Post by Royal Donut on Jan 16, 2022 16:38:17 GMT
I suppose some people don't want the vaccine, maybe you can tell me some medium and long term data from medical science. I'll just let you know you won't find any and maybe his health comes before his career. Some people have it some don't, it's personal choice, alot of people have had every vaccine in their life bar this one,,,, does that make you an anti vaxxer? The data is clear. If you have the vaccine, you are less likely to need to use health service resources. If you have covid and you isolate, you are less likely to spread it. Djokovic hasn’t done either of those things, and under Australian law he had to have a medical exemption to the vaccine to get in, or have it. He didn’t do it. He was deported. Good on Australia. There is no medical reason for Djokovic to not have the vaccine. Else he would be playing in Australia. So you haven't answered my question about long term health effects? You can't A top sports person is very unlikely need to be hospitalised. If you had the jabs or not you need to isolate. If he had a medical exemption can he not pass on a virus? Good on Australia , the top competition you had means nothing without the best players.
|
|
|
Post by noustie on Jan 16, 2022 17:22:49 GMT
The evidence suggest they are totally safe for elite level sportsman. The majority of elite level sportsman have been vaccinated and have seen no adverse impacts. The clearest evidence is that not having the vaccine increases the likelihood of more severe covid, and the perhaps unnecessary waste of health services. The other clear evidence is that if you have covid and isolate, you are less likely to spread it. Djokovic didn’t isolate when he had covid. Selfish and arrogant. He deserves to have to deal with the consequences of his actions. It is rare that the rich and powerful are made to. So why was Moderna suspended for use in the under 30’s (the vast majority of professional tennis players falling into this bracket), only weeks after the scientists said it was safe for all age groups? And AZ in under 40's too. Hong Kong cited some worrying numbers in teens too.
|
|
|
Post by felonious on Jan 16, 2022 17:25:30 GMT
The data is clear. If you have the vaccine, you are less likely to need to use health service resources. If you have covid and you isolate, you are less likely to spread it. Djokovic hasn’t done either of those things, and under Australian law he had to have a medical exemption to the vaccine to get in, or have it. He didn’t do it. He was deported. Good on Australia. There is no medical reason for Djokovic to not have the vaccine. Else he would be playing in Australia. So you haven't answered my question about long term health effects? You can't A top sports person is very unlikely need to be hospitalised. If you had the jabs or not you need to isolate. If he had a medical exemption can he not pass on a virus? Good on Australia , the top competition you had means nothing without the best players. It's not just the long term health effects it's the short term ones as well especially for sportsmen in the middle of their season.
|
|