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Post by stokeuk474 on Jan 6, 2022 16:53:42 GMT
Apart from a full lockdown, all of them... Really🤔Sport behind closed doors in England? Have a look around the world rather than just little old England eh? Italy and Austria have made vaccines mandatory for the over 50/60's. If they don't take it, they will be fined 3000 euros every 3 months. That is absolutely fucking insane. If that's normal for you, then i'm glad i'm not you
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 6, 2022 16:56:49 GMT
How many of them are now?What I see is most people getting on with their life,getting jabbed and going about their daily business. So why is Novak Djokovic not allowed into Australia then? For an illness that he's already caught, is immune to, is happy to test for, but no that's not good enough because he won't stick a fucking needle in himself? That's not normal mate. Because the rules of that country at the moment say you need to be double jabbed to enter.Yes the Tennis authorities gave him an exemption but the federal government at this stage don’t think he meets the criteria,end of.The Aussie public seem to be in uproar after what they’ve had to go through so I for one can understand their feelings on this,if you don’t agree fair enough. As Nadal said Djokovic knew all along the consequences and what would happen
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 6, 2022 16:59:05 GMT
Really🤔Sport behind closed doors in England? Have a look around the world rather than just little old England eh? Italy and Austria have made vaccines mandatory for the over 50/60's. If they don't take it, they will be fined 3000 euros every 3 months. That is absolutely fucking insane. If that's normal for you, then i'm glad i'm not you Thats their decision and fuck all to do with me or anyone else in this country.As I’ve said all along I will never ever understand anyone not being vaccinated and from the figures the other day it’s batshit crazy in my opinion
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Post by stokeuk474 on Jan 6, 2022 17:08:10 GMT
Have a look around the world rather than just little old England eh? Italy and Austria have made vaccines mandatory for the over 50/60's. If they don't take it, they will be fined 3000 euros every 3 months. That is absolutely fucking insane. If that's normal for you, then i'm glad i'm not you Thats their decision and fuck all to do with me or anyone else in this country.As I’ve said all along I will never ever understand anyone not being vaccinated and from the figures the other day it’s batshit crazy in my opinion Well, as other have pointed out over the last few months, it's clear you aren't going to change your stance on this, and you've been done well and truly by the media, so we'll leave this where it is. For what it's worth, I hope they let Novak in to play and then he tells them to fuck off. Australia have lost the fucking plot.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 6, 2022 17:10:44 GMT
Thats their decision and fuck all to do with me or anyone else in this country.As I’ve said all along I will never ever understand anyone not being vaccinated and from the figures the other day it’s batshit crazy in my opinion Well, as other have pointed out over the last few months, it's clear you aren't going to change your stance on this, and you've been done well and truly by the media, so we'll leave this where it is. For what it's worth, I hope they let Novak in to play and then he tells them to fuck off. Australia have lost the fucking plot. I’d love to see the trophy presentation. “Congratulations Novak, what would you like to say?” “Get fucked🖕🏻“. Followed by a mic drop😀
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 6, 2022 17:12:16 GMT
Thats their decision and fuck all to do with me or anyone else in this country.As I’ve said all along I will never ever understand anyone not being vaccinated and from the figures the other day it’s batshit crazy in my opinion Well, as other have pointed out over the last few months, it's clear you aren't going to change your stance on this, and you've been done well and truly by the media, so we'll leave this where it is. For what it's worth, I hope they let Novak in to play and then he tells them to fuck off. Australia have lost the fucking plot. Done by the media my arse🤣
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Post by superjw on Jan 6, 2022 17:17:34 GMT
So why is Novak Djokovic not allowed into Australia then? For an illness that he's already caught, is immune to, is happy to test for, but no that's not good enough because he won't stick a fucking needle in himself? That's not normal mate. Because the rules of that country at the moment say you need to be double jabbed to enter.Yes the Tennis authorities gave him an exemption but the federal government at this stage don’t think he meets the criteria,end of.The Aussie public seem to be in uproar after what they’ve had to go through so I for one can understand their feelings on this,if you don’t agree fair enough. As Nadal said Djokovic knew all along the consequences and what would happen As I've said, if he doesn't have the correct paperwork or meet the criteria he would not have been allowed onto his flight, I don't believe for one second he could have got all the way there with incorrect documents. Also, if this was so clear cut he would have been sent back by now if it was a fact his paperwork is incorrect, it's crazy that the authorities are now waiting until Monday before deciding - doesn't sound that watertight to me It's all political grandstanding
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jan 6, 2022 17:37:47 GMT
Something like this was always going to happen.
Interested to know where people in support of this would actually draw the line. We're now at excessive fines, public humiliation and harassment as a means of coercion.
Next step is probably imprisonment, would you advocate that? If not, how about actual violence?
And before you say I'm being ridiculous, let's not forget that the things I listed out above were dismissed as pure conspiracy theories and hotchpotch just a year or so ago.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 6, 2022 17:41:43 GMT
Have a look around the world rather than just little old England eh? Italy and Austria have made vaccines mandatory for the over 50/60's. If they don't take it, they will be fined 3000 euros every 3 months. That is absolutely fucking insane. If that's normal for you, then i'm glad i'm not you Thats their decision and fuck all to do with me or anyone else in this country.As I’ve said all along I will never ever understand anyone not being vaccinated and from the figures the other day it’s batshit crazy in my opinion This is a global issue If people want the available vaccine or want to wear masks etc I’ve no problem All I want is personal choice with a bit of care. Not chastised and restricted if you don’t conform to the narrative
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Post by henry on Jan 6, 2022 18:05:28 GMT
Have you not seen the requirement for school kids to Be masked up ? And that’s it🤔 Seek help - before it's too late Kids need to wear a mask at school during the day, whilst the parents can go out on the piss, stand at the bar singing at night
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Post by liathroid on Jan 6, 2022 18:35:25 GMT
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Post by superjw on Jan 6, 2022 19:17:49 GMT
Something like this was always going to happen. Interested to know where people in support of this would actually draw the line. We're now at excessive fines, public humiliation and harassment as a means of coercion. Next step is probably imprisonment, would you advocate that? If not, how about actual violence? And before you say I'm being ridiculous, let's not forget that the things I listed out above were dismissed as pure conspiracy theories and hotchpotch just a year or so ago. I know this is in no way a comparable example, but it's evidence of how easily events of circa 100 years ago unfolded - similar actions aimed at a certain subset of society over a number of years that led to a horrific end.
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Post by noustie on Jan 6, 2022 19:52:07 GMT
Something like this was always going to happen. Interested to know where people in support of this would actually draw the line. We're now at excessive fines, public humiliation and harassment as a means of coercion. Next step is probably imprisonment, would you advocate that? If not, how about actual violence? And before you say I'm being ridiculous, let's not forget that the things I listed out above were dismissed as pure conspiracy theories and hotchpotch just a year or so ago. I know this is in no way a comparable example, but it's evidence of how easily events of circa 100 years ago unfolded - similar actions aimed at a certain subset of society over a number of years that led to a horrific end. It really is troubling that there seems a coordinated effort globally in the developed world to demonise anyone who's asking questions during a live science experiment. Closer to home Bojo decides to have a pop at the mumbo jumbo anti vax mob just luckily in fortuitous timing to deflect attention from his mumbo jumbo flat renovation enquiry. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59898748
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Post by salopstick on Jan 6, 2022 21:47:20 GMT
A few more like Djokovic and the house of cards starts to crumble
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 6, 2022 21:53:15 GMT
What's worse (and if Australia want to impose this rule that's up to them) is the way he is being portrayed as akin to Nelson Mandella and imprisoned on death island with nothing but a 6x6 cell no going out and fed bread and water, although that did used to be the case down under one time!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 6, 2022 23:45:05 GMT
Well, as other have pointed out over the last few months, it's clear you aren't going to change your stance on this, and you've been done well and truly by the media, so we'll leave this where it is. For what it's worth, I hope they let Novak in to play and then he tells them to fuck off. Australia have lost the fucking plot. I’d love to see the trophy presentation. “Congratulations Novak, what would you like to say?” “Get fucked🖕🏻“. Followed by a mic drop😀 And then he picks the mic back up and says - "I've just got one thing to say to your fascist cunt of a PM - Eat a dick motherfucker. Arrest Morrison, arrest Fauci, arrest Biden, arrest Whitty and those SAGE bitches in England... Ohh and that loser Keir Starmer, lock that bastard up too. Fuck China". Followed by a mic drop. 🎤😎
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 7, 2022 11:38:43 GMT
I think there might be a more pressing problem to address here?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 7, 2022 11:40:00 GMT
I’d love to see the trophy presentation. “Congratulations Novak, what would you like to say?” “Get fucked🖕🏻“. Followed by a mic drop😀 And then he picks the mic back up and says - "I've just got one thing to say to your fascist cunt of a PM - Eat a dick motherfucker. Arrest Morrison, arrest Fauci, arrest Biden, arrest Whitty and those SAGE bitches in England... Ohh and that loser Keir Starmer, lock that bastard up too. Fuck China". Followed by a mic drop. 🎤😎 The madness inside your head is turned up to 11
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Post by crowey on Jan 7, 2022 12:16:26 GMT
…. the latest here in Qld is that our Premier Anastasia wants all school kids immunised before they can return to school after the summer holidays in three weeks time. So we have to immunise approx one million kids in that timeframe. Go figure!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 7, 2022 13:42:15 GMT
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 7, 2022 15:00:58 GMT
Djokovic is free to leave the country any time according to Australia's government.
"Novax Djokovic" is one of the best pun names I've seen.
I'm a bit on the fence. I think people should be free to choose whether to have the vaccine or not (I'm happily 'boosted' and glad more people have had the vaccine than haven't) but also I have no problem with countries that have Yellow Fever certificate requirements for entry. The current situation is a conundrum.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jan 7, 2022 15:20:50 GMT
Djokovic is free to leave the country any time according to Australia's government. "Novax Djokovic" is one of the best pun names I've seen. I'm a bit on the fence. I think people should be free to choose whether to have the vaccine or not (I'm happily 'boosted' and glad more people have had the vaccine than haven't) but also I have no problem with countries that have Yellow Fever certificate requirements for entry. The current situation is a conundrum. If it actually worked well to prevent community transmission then I can see more of an argument for it, but it doesn't (or at least, the worldwide mass outbreak of cases in countries where the vast majority of people have been vaccinated strongly suggests it has very little impact). So the argument then moves to them being an indirect threat in the sense that they're more likely to take up a hospital bed if they get it. But this can also be extended to things like obesity, alcoholism and smoking... We haven't taken measures against those things, presumably because it affects the rich and powerful, and there's money in it. I think I saw a statistic that mentioned that in the UK, less than 200 people under the age of 40 with no underlying health conditions have died from COVID-19 in the space of 2 years. And they aren't high-performing, ridiculously athletic tennis players...
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Post by cerebralstokie on Jan 7, 2022 15:45:16 GMT
I find it difficult to get my head around the idea that getting vaccinated is harmful. We have got rid of smallpox, polio (almost) worldwide and diphtheria through mass vaccination programmes and could do so against measles. Covid has caused more deaths in the U.K. than the number of civilians killed in the U.K.in World War 2. If someone chooses not to be vaccinated, then an employer should be free to not employ these people in occupations where they are perceived to be putting people at risk. Djokovic knew the rules. He cannot complain if he is not allowed into Australia because he cannot (or refuses to) comply with them. I am, however somewhat confused that the tennis authorities thought he was o.k. but the Federal authorites did not.
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Post by serpico on Jan 7, 2022 15:45:51 GMT
The general consensus that the unvaccinated should be punished does not surprise me one bit, we know from the milligram experiments most people will always side with authority and do as they're told no matter how inhumane they'll go along with it, this is why i wouldn't at all be surprised if the majority of the population thought that detention camps were justified for the unvaccinated, its a quirk of human nature to always side with authority, we're doomed to repeat the past, certain groups will always get marginalised, all you have to do is tell everyone they're a threat, "disease carrying" and selfish, works every time, this is on a much smaller scale, but you can now see how easy it was for Hitler if you use the right techniques, very dangerous games are being played here and dangerous forces are being unleashed, sad to see.
The aussies in particular are playing with fire here, they need to step back.
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Post by serpico on Jan 7, 2022 15:51:49 GMT
I find it difficult to get my head around the idea that getting vaccinated is harmful. We have got rid of smallpox, polio (almost) worldwide and diphtheria through mass vaccination programmes and could do so against measles. Covid has caused more deaths in the U.K. than the number of civilians killed in the U.K.in World War 2. If someone chooses not to be vaccinated, then an employer should be free to not employ these people in occupations where they are perceived to be putting people at risk. Djokovic knew the rules. He cannot complain if he is not allowed into Australia because he cannot (or refuses to) comply with them. I am, however somewhat confused that the tennis authorities thought he was o.k. but the Federal authorites did not. The mRNA vaccines won't get rid of the coronavirus, this is a totally different type of vaccination than the others you mention, the current crop of vaccines don't stop infection or transmission, lots of fully vaccinated are going down with covid now, its obvious it doesn't work that well and theres always going to be mutations that evade them, on top of that Djokovic has had covid already so he has antibodies, why would a top sportsman who's had the disease risk taking the vaccine even if the risk is minuscule ?
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 7, 2022 15:54:14 GMT
Sorry but can't agree. It's a deeply worrying development that goes against all logic, ethics and science. It's hard to believe this is just on a technicality. Never have supported discrimination and never will. Punishing people for what should be a basic human right should not be encouraged. If he's tested negative what is the problem? This, it's bat shit crazy. Australia have become a joke of a country. I stand with Serbia and Novak on this. He shouldn't be treated like a second class citizen because he's considered that the benefit of himself taking the vaccine does not outweigh the risk (which for a high-level professional athlete, is probably right) not sure there is a fact base for that - early evidence from football suggests the effects of covid impact performance negatively for at least 6 months, so far.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 7, 2022 16:01:19 GMT
The "choice" argument falls flat on it's arse when it's proven that vaccination dramatically cuts hospital admission. I view people that make the "choice" argument to be to blame for the cancellation of my child's eye examination at hospital this week. No. That would be the NHS being turned into a big pharma jab and profit factory for a cold. And the highest number of those in hospital are not 'unvaccinated' but double-jabbed people classed as 'unvaccinated'. A let's be straight about what hospitals are full off. The fat and morbidly obese. And the unspoken theme that has been prevalent throughout in supposed covid victims mugshots. Are you going to start targeting the Anti-Salads? But, using your stats, if double vaccinated people had had the booster, hospitals would have more capacity. Vaxing is not a personal choice because your decision impacts others much more directly than by someone choosing to smoke or eat too much. If you are unvaxxed, you a make it more likely other people will get Covid , reduce the availability of health and other services and increase the restriction of activity across the economy. The NHS, the army, border control, and many more activities socialise risk because it is societal and not manageable by an individual. Vaccination is just another example. It is welfare economics 101
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Post by cerebralstokie on Jan 7, 2022 16:02:00 GMT
I find it difficult to get my head around the idea that getting vaccinated is harmful. We have got rid of smallpox, polio (almost) worldwide and diphtheria through mass vaccination programmes and could do so against measles. Covid has caused more deaths in the U.K. than the number of civilians killed in the U.K.in World War 2. If someone chooses not to be vaccinated, then an employer should be free to not employ these people in occupations where they are perceived to be putting people at risk. Djokovic knew the rules. He cannot complain if he is not allowed into Australia because he cannot (or refuses to) comply with them. I am, however somewhat confused that the tennis authorities thought he was o.k. but the Federal authorites did not. The mRNA vaccines won't get rid of the coronavirus, this is a totally different type of vaccination than the others you mention, the current crop of vaccines don't stop infection or transmission, lots of fully vaccinated are going down with covid now, its obvious it doesn't work that well and theres always going to be mutations that evade them, on top of that Djokovic has had covid already so he has antibodies, why would a top sportsman who's had the disease risk taking the vaccine even if the risk is minuscule ? The vaccine may not completely prevent covid, but the evidence is that it considerably reduces the risk of catching covid or, at least reduces the risk of hospitalisation of those ho do catch even after having been vaccinated. Surely that is in the public interest. I have not suggested that vaccination should be compulsory, but given the known facts, the unvaccinated should accept the consequences of their choice. I would find it difficult to accept the idea that the unvaccinated posed no risk to society.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 7, 2022 16:04:46 GMT
Seek help - before it's too late Kids need to wear a mask at school during the day, whilst the parents can go out on the piss, stand at the bar singing at night and that's why we need to be tough on vaccination because people don't take enough personal responsibility. It is not obligatory to go on the piss because your kids are masked, you could choose to drink at home
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 7, 2022 16:09:46 GMT
I find it difficult to get my head around the idea that getting vaccinated is harmful. We have got rid of smallpox, polio (almost) worldwide and diphtheria through mass vaccination programmes and could do so against measles. Covid has caused more deaths in the U.K. than the number of civilians killed in the U.K.in World War 2. If someone chooses not to be vaccinated, then an employer should be free to not employ these people in occupations where they are perceived to be putting people at risk. Djokovic knew the rules. He cannot complain if he is not allowed into Australia because he cannot (or refuses to) comply with them. I am, however somewhat confused that the tennis authorities thought he was o.k. but the Federal authorites did not. The mRNA vaccines won't get rid of the coronavirus, this is a totally different type of vaccination than the others you mention, the current crop of vaccines don't stop infection or transmission, lots of fully vaccinated are going down with covid now, its obvious it doesn't work that well and theres always going to be mutations that evade them, on top of that Djokovic has had covid already so he has antibodies, why would a top sportsman who's had the disease risk taking the vaccine even if the risk is minuscule ? Can you point us at the scientific evidence for all of those claims? Do the vaccines work or not? Surely there is no dispute it reduces the risk of serious illness, in which case it reduces pressure on the NHS, means we need less restrictions on behaviour and is therefore beneficial. the first studies of footballers who have had Covid, suggests 6 months later their fitness and performance is not back to pre-Covid levels. Based on the published, peer reviewed science, if I was Djokovic I would be getting the jab now to protect my season
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