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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 18, 2022 15:41:22 GMT
There have been over 9 billion vaccinations. How many are suffering adverse health conditions? Far fewer than those who have got covid, that is certain. And far fewer people than 9 billion have had covid. Do you know the long term impact of wifi on your health? What about mobile phone use? No. But I bet you use wifi and have a mobile phone. Sometimes you have to not be cynical and have faith in experts. At the time of the vaccine trials they didn’t know it’s efficacy waned over time, so how can they be sure there’s no long term effects? They can't be sure. And i won't be signing up for 2,3,4 or 5 or however many fucking boosters they keep texting me about. What a bloody mess. |
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Post by felonious on Jan 18, 2022 21:53:00 GMT
There's nothing cynical about questioning Oggy what a silly thing to say. The vaccinations have been a success for the people that desperately needed them just like the flu jab for previous generations. There is however a suble distinction here as we are talking about an elite sportsman who doesn't need a vaccination against Covid. He's had it twice, he knows his body, he knows his performance in between the two bouts of Covid. For him it's all about small margins at elite level so any risk of vaccination, myocarditis/ pericarditis has to be taken into account in making a judgement. We won't know what effect vaccinations have had on public health until some years down the line when the studies have taken place. The Yellow Card data will be worth keeping an eye on - the profit from the vaccine is obvious but the costs will be viewed in 20:20 hindsight: fullfact.org/health/yellow-card-deaths/www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reportingThe MHRA has received 684 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 1,182 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 29 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 37 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified. On the one hand the fact check is correct that it could purely be coincidental nearly 2,000 folk have died shortly after taking the vaccine. On the other hand, there are medical professionals on record stating colleagues aren’t even filling in the Yellow Card system as they either don’t know what it is or are encouraged not to. There’s over 1m reported side effects too and that is expected to be massively underrated as the public don’t know about this system – seen it previously suggested the figures reported are about 10% of reality. Thanks for that I've just filed a report. |
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Post by Royal Donut on Jan 18, 2022 22:01:29 GMT
So you haven't answered my question about long term health effects? You can't A top sports person is very unlikely need to be hospitalised. If you had the jabs or not you need to isolate. If he had a medical exemption can he not pass on a virus? Good on Australia , the top competition you had means nothing without the best players. There is absolutely no evidence of long term health impacts caused by any of the covid vaccines which extend beyond the potential impacts of covid on otherwise fit and healthy people. Being fit and healthy does not protect you from long covid by way of an example. There is plenty of evidence that covid is more likely to be worse if you are not vaccinated. Djokovic isn’t vaccinated. There is plenty of evidence that you are more likely to pass on covid if you do not isolate when infected. Djokovic didn’t isolate. Above all, Djokovic had no medical exemption to the vaccine and so could not enter Australia. Immigration rules should be followed. Yes your right there is no evidence at all of long term health effects of the vaccine. Do you know why, yes because there is none, nothing. We are not there yet years away, hence why it's called an experimental vaccine. Unlike other vaccines this hasn't been tested like others and passed through law by emergency measures(unless it's a pandemic they wouldn't be rushed through). Do you even know how long it's got to even get mid term data from the vaccine? This is why people have hesitated over having the vaccine, it's personal choice. |
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Post by felonious on Jan 18, 2022 22:09:33 GMT
There is absolutely no evidence of long term health impacts caused by any of the covid vaccines which extend beyond the potential impacts of covid on otherwise fit and healthy people. Being fit and healthy does not protect you from long covid by way of an example. There is plenty of evidence that covid is more likely to be worse if you are not vaccinated. Djokovic isn’t vaccinated. There is plenty of evidence that you are more likely to pass on covid if you do not isolate when infected. Djokovic didn’t isolate. Above all, Djokovic had no medical exemption to the vaccine and so could not enter Australia. Immigration rules should be followed. Yes your right there is no evidence at all of long term health effects of the vaccine. Do you know why, yes because there is none, nothing. We are not there yet years away, hence why it's called an experimental vaccine. Unlike other vaccines this hasn't been tested like others and passed through law by emergency measures(unless it's a pandemic they wouldn't be rushed through). Do you even know how long it's got to even get mid term data from the vaccine? This is why people have hesitated over having the vaccine, it's personal choice. There's no comeback either they were granted legal immunity for these drugs. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 20, 2022 8:44:25 GMT
There is absolutely no evidence of long term health impacts caused by any of the covid vaccines which extend beyond the potential impacts of covid on otherwise fit and healthy people. Being fit and healthy does not protect you from long covid by way of an example. There is plenty of evidence that covid is more likely to be worse if you are not vaccinated. Djokovic isn’t vaccinated. There is plenty of evidence that you are more likely to pass on covid if you do not isolate when infected. Djokovic didn’t isolate. Above all, Djokovic had no medical exemption to the vaccine and so could not enter Australia. Immigration rules should be followed. Yes your right there is no evidence at all of long term health effects of the vaccine. Do you know why, yes because there is none, nothing. We are not there yet years away, hence why it's called an experimental vaccine. Unlike other vaccines this hasn't been tested like others and passed through law by emergency measures(unless it's a pandemic they wouldn't be rushed through). Do you even know how long it's got to even get mid term data from the vaccine? This is why people have hesitated over having the vaccine, it's personal choice. Right, and the evidence so far is very positive. It is a persistent choice. Djokovic chose not to have it and had no exemption. He chose not to be able to enter Australia. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 20, 2022 8:49:13 GMT
There have been over 9 billion vaccinations. How many are suffering adverse health conditions? Far fewer than those who have got covid, that is certain. And far fewer people than 9 billion have had covid. Do you know the long term impact of wifi on your health? What about mobile phone use? No. But I bet you use wifi and have a mobile phone. Sometimes you have to not be cynical and have faith in experts. At the time of the vaccine trials they didn’t know it’s efficacy waned over time, so how can they be sure there’s no long term effects? They cannot be certain. But how can you be certain about no long term health impacts from carrying a smart phone, or being constantly around wifi? What is certain is that Djokovic didn’t meet the requirements to get into Australia. He chose not to have a vaccine even though the overwhelming data currently available shows very little likelihood of adverse health problems as a result of having it. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 20, 2022 8:52:26 GMT
There have been over 9 billion vaccinations. How many are suffering adverse health conditions? Far fewer than those who have got covid, that is certain. And far fewer people than 9 billion have had covid. Do you know the long term impact of wifi on your health? What about mobile phone use? No. But I bet you use wifi and have a mobile phone. Sometimes you have to not be cynical and have faith in experts. There's nothing cynical about questioning Oggy what a silly thing to say. The vaccinations have been a success for the people that desperately needed them just like the flu jab for previous generations. There is however a suble distinction here as we are talking about an elite sportsman who doesn't need a vaccination against Covid. He's had it twice, he knows his body, he knows his performance in between the two bouts of Covid. For him it's all about small margins at elite level so any risk of vaccination, myocarditis/ pericarditis has to be taken into account in making a judgement. We won't know what effect vaccinations have had on public health until some years down the line when the studies have taken place. I would have thought he would be better off having the vaccine (like the other elite level sportsmen and women playing in Australia and showing no adverse health implications) and being able to prove he is the GOAT. I know 2 previously extremely fit and healthy individuals (obviously not at Djokovic’s level) that had covid over a year ago. One has given up work altogether as he cannot cope with bouts of long covid, the other still isn’t back to full time work and some days cannot get out of bed. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 20, 2022 9:11:11 GMT
At the time of the vaccine trials they didn’t know it’s efficacy waned over time, so how can they be sure there’s no long term effects? They cannot be certain. But how can you be certain about no long term health impacts from carrying a smart phone, or being constantly around wifi? What is certain is that Djokovic didn’t meet the requirements to get into Australia. He chose not to have a vaccine even though the overwhelming data currently available shows very little likelihood of adverse health problems as a result of having it. I don’t get denied certain rights or freedoms if I choose not to carry a mobile phone around and I certainly don’t lose my job |
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Post by liathroid on Jan 20, 2022 9:27:48 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 20, 2022 9:40:46 GMT
They cannot be certain. But how can you be certain about no long term health impacts from carrying a smart phone, or being constantly around wifi? What is certain is that Djokovic didn’t meet the requirements to get into Australia. He chose not to have a vaccine even though the overwhelming data currently available shows very little likelihood of adverse health problems as a result of having it. I don’t get denied certain rights or freedoms if I choose not to carry a mobile phone around and I certainly don’t lose my job No you don’t. But you also don’t put a greater strain on public services by not doing so either. |
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Post by felonious on Jan 20, 2022 9:46:45 GMT
There's nothing cynical about questioning Oggy what a silly thing to say. The vaccinations have been a success for the people that desperately needed them just like the flu jab for previous generations. There is however a suble distinction here as we are talking about an elite sportsman who doesn't need a vaccination against Covid. He's had it twice, he knows his body, he knows his performance in between the two bouts of Covid. For him it's all about small margins at elite level so any risk of vaccination, myocarditis/ pericarditis has to be taken into account in making a judgement. We won't know what effect vaccinations have had on public health until some years down the line when the studies have taken place. I would have thought he would be better off having the vaccine (like the other elite level sportsmen and women playing in Australia and showing no adverse health implications) and being able to prove he is the GOAT. I know 2 previously extremely fit and healthy individuals (obviously not at Djokovic’s level) that had covid over a year ago. One has given up work altogether as he cannot cope with bouts of long covid, the other still isn’t back to full time work and some days cannot get out of bed. The question you should be asking is how many elite sportsmen and women have ended up bedridden with no careers having having contracted Covid. By the same token I know a couple of people who operate at elite level for their ages who've been adversely affected by the vaccinations. We will only know answers in the fullness of time when studies evaluate the effects of both Covid and the vaccinations. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 20, 2022 9:51:27 GMT
I don’t get denied certain rights or freedoms if I choose not to carry a mobile phone around and I certainly don’t lose my job No you don’t. But you also don’t put a greater strain on public services by not doing so either. Like smokers, obese people etc |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 20, 2022 13:42:22 GMT
No you don’t. But you also don’t put a greater strain on public services by not doing so either. Like smokers, obese people etc Cigarettes are heavily taxed, and we have sugar taxes. Perhaps we should increase taxes on those who are not vaccinated without a medical exemption? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 20, 2022 13:45:21 GMT
I would have thought he would be better off having the vaccine (like the other elite level sportsmen and women playing in Australia and showing no adverse health implications) and being able to prove he is the GOAT. I know 2 previously extremely fit and healthy individuals (obviously not at Djokovic’s level) that had covid over a year ago. One has given up work altogether as he cannot cope with bouts of long covid, the other still isn’t back to full time work and some days cannot get out of bed. The question you should be asking is how many elite sportsmen and women have ended up bedridden with no careers having having contracted Covid. By the same token I know a couple of people who operate at elite level for their ages who've been adversely affected by the vaccinations. We will only know answers in the fullness of time when studies evaluate the effects of both Covid and the vaccinations. Does that mean anything new needs to be tested for what length is of time before it is recommended for use? 1 year? 5 years? 50 years? All I know is that Djokovic did not meet the immigration criteria to enter Australia and he was therefore rightly refused entry. I also know without vaccines, many more in this country would have died from covid. On balance, having the vaccine is better for your health than not having it. All the data shows that. Over 50% in ICU are unvaccinated. Only around 10% are unvaccinated. Speaks for itself. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 20, 2022 15:00:58 GMT
Like smokers, obese people etc Cigarettes are heavily taxed, and we have sugar taxes. Perhaps we should increase taxes on those who are not vaccinated without a medical exemption? Every time I rebut your point you take a tangential leap to another point. Do we tax fat people, people that don’t take 10k steps a day, do we stop providing medical care to drug addicts etc etc. |
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Post by Royal Donut on Jan 20, 2022 19:16:51 GMT
Like smokers, obese people etc Cigarettes are heavily taxed, and we have sugar taxes. Perhaps we should increase taxes on those who are not vaccinated without a medical exemption? I know a few people that have had heart attacks and some really bad side effects from having the vaccine (infact one of them was intent on getting a letter from the doctor which stated it was down to the vaccine and the doctor got in trouble for admitting liability). So should people who have not had the vaccine also have to pay tax on the people who had side effects? What about deaths, I'm not going to go into it, because there was a poster on here and I dont know them, but their partner died within hours of the vaccine. It works both ways, we pay more than enough tax anyway, it needs to used more wisely. |
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Post by hammered on Jan 20, 2022 21:28:54 GMT
Read the comments..
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Post by felonious on Jan 21, 2022 5:44:26 GMT
Cigarettes are heavily taxed, and we have sugar taxes. Perhaps we should increase taxes on those who are not vaccinated without a medical exemption? Every time I rebut your point you take a tangential leap to another point. Do we tax fat people, people that don’t take 10k steps a day, do we stop providing medical care to drug addicts etc etc. Unfortunately he's all over the place on this one. It appears that the young, super fit, clean living, non alcohol drinking, non smoking, non vaping, meticulous dieter Djokovic who monitors his body 24/7 should be put under the same conditions as the overweight, over eaters, excessive drinkers, drug takers as well as the people unfortunate enough to be immune compromised, people suffering from long term conditions and diseases, etc, people with multiple comorbidities. No analysis of the data to see if there should be targeted responses like we do with the flu jab. |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 28, 2022 11:27:20 GMT
More "mistakes" Is it really possible that Novak (80% ownership of an anti-Covid drug company) faked having Covid after all?
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jan 28, 2022 11:47:27 GMT
Is this still going on?
Absolute witch hunt against the man. Sad bastards.
What has the world become?
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Post by Robo10 on Jan 28, 2022 13:04:12 GMT
Bar the accusation he faked a covid test to become eligible to play with a free pass? Thats a crime never mind a witch hunt if true - something deffo doesnt stack up with his tests, public appearances and 'mistakes' on forms Read the article - its suspicious at best! www.bbc.co.uk/news/59999541What are people questioning? Documents submitted by his lawyers to federal court in Australia included two Covid (PCR) test certificates, one with a positive result on 16 December and one with a negative result on 22 December. Djokovic tests A German research group called Zerforschung first picked up on the discrepancy that the earlier test had a higher confirmation code than the later one. They wrote a blog titled "Novak Djokovic's time-travelling PCR tests", and partnered with German news site Der Spiegel who reported on the issue. Documents submitted to the federal court in Australia included one from the acting director of Serbia's official health body, confirming the dates on these certificates accurately reflected when the tests had been carried out. Digging deeper into the numbers Mr Djokovic was tested in Serbia, and received his results from the Institute of Public Health of Serbia All these test results have a unique confirmation code. We wanted to check whether these numbers are generated in strict chronological order in a single national database at the time of processing. If so, it would bring into question why the earlier test had a higher serial number. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 28, 2022 13:44:17 GMT
Bar the accusation he faked a covid test to become eligible to play with a free pass? Thats a crime never mind a witch hunt if true - something deffo doesnt stack up with his tests, public appearances and 'mistakes' on forms Read the article - its suspicious at best! www.bbc.co.uk/news/59999541What are people questioning? Documents submitted by his lawyers to federal court in Australia included two Covid (PCR) test certificates, one with a positive result on 16 December and one with a negative result on 22 December. Djokovic tests A German research group called Zerforschung first picked up on the discrepancy that the earlier test had a higher confirmation code than the later one. They wrote a blog titled "Novak Djokovic's time-travelling PCR tests", and partnered with German news site Der Spiegel who reported on the issue. Documents submitted to the federal court in Australia included one from the acting director of Serbia's official health body, confirming the dates on these certificates accurately reflected when the tests had been carried out. Digging deeper into the numbers Mr Djokovic was tested in Serbia, and received his results from the Institute of Public Health of Serbia All these test results have a unique confirmation code. We wanted to check whether these numbers are generated in strict chronological order in a single national database at the time of processing. If so, it would bring into question why the earlier test had a higher serial number. Do you honestly really care though. I know i don't not one iota. |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 28, 2022 15:19:22 GMT
Bar the accusation he faked a covid test to become eligible to play with a free pass? Thats a crime never mind a witch hunt if true - something deffo doesnt stack up with his tests, public appearances and 'mistakes' on forms Read the article - its suspicious at best! www.bbc.co.uk/news/59999541What are people questioning? Documents submitted by his lawyers to federal court in Australia included two Covid (PCR) test certificates, one with a positive result on 16 December and one with a negative result on 22 December. Djokovic tests A German research group called Zerforschung first picked up on the discrepancy that the earlier test had a higher confirmation code than the later one. They wrote a blog titled "Novak Djokovic's time-travelling PCR tests", and partnered with German news site Der Spiegel who reported on the issue. Documents submitted to the federal court in Australia included one from the acting director of Serbia's official health body, confirming the dates on these certificates accurately reflected when the tests had been carried out. Digging deeper into the numbers Mr Djokovic was tested in Serbia, and received his results from the Institute of Public Health of Serbia All these test results have a unique confirmation code. We wanted to check whether these numbers are generated in strict chronological order in a single national database at the time of processing. If so, it would bring into question why the earlier test had a higher serial number. Do you honestly really care though. I know i don't not one iota. Clearly you do care, otherwise you would not have responded. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jan 28, 2022 18:46:30 GMT
Do you honestly really care though. I know i don't not one iota. Clearly you do care, otherwise you would not have responded. Sounds good that retort and i have probably used it myself before but no i really dont care for what Novak has hasn't or might do. The fuss around it just seems daft. Yet very typical of todays pick a side and argue like mad world. But yet i responded to you. Honestly i really don't care "much"  |
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Post by Royal Donut on Jan 28, 2022 19:28:43 GMT
Yes your right there is no evidence at all of long term health effects of the vaccine. Do you know why, yes because there is none, nothing. We are not there yet years away, hence why it's called an experimental vaccine. Unlike other vaccines this hasn't been tested like others and passed through law by emergency measures(unless it's a pandemic they wouldn't be rushed through). Do you even know how long it's got to even get mid term data from the vaccine? This is why people have hesitated over having the vaccine, it's personal choice. Right, and the evidence so far is very positive. It is a persistent choice. Djokovic chose not to have it and had no exemption. He chose not to be able to enter Australia. So far, we are over 7 years off long term data, every drug goes through this, well not this one, the reasons I've already stated. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 29, 2022 7:50:03 GMT
Right, and the evidence so far is very positive. It is a persistent choice. Djokovic chose not to have it and had no exemption. He chose not to be able to enter Australia. So far, we are over 7 years off long term data, every drug goes through this, well not this one, the reasons I've already stated. But what’s the alternative. Nobody should have had a vaccine until 10 years of data and testing? Imagine how many dead and how many lockdowns there would be then? Djokovic is an idiot. Nadal may win the Australian open, and if Djokovic also chooses not to play at Roland Garros because he won’t get vaccinated then he won’t be able to stop Nadal winning there too. Nadal could be on 22GS wins to Djokovic’s 20. Djokovic’s decision not to be vaccinated could mean he is not GOAT. |
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Post by Royal Donut on Feb 2, 2022 11:20:37 GMT
So far, we are over 7 years off long term data, every drug goes through this, well not this one, the reasons I've already stated. But what’s the alternative. Nobody should have had a vaccine until 10 years of data and testing? Imagine how many dead and how many lockdowns there would be then? Djokovic is an idiot. Nadal may win the Australian open, and if Djokovic also chooses not to play at Roland Garros because he won’t get vaccinated then he won’t be able to stop Nadal winning there too. Nadal could be on 22GS wins to Djokovic’s 20. Djokovic’s decision not to be vaccinated could mean he is not GOAT. No there are many different ways of giving the vaccine, we have had vaccines our whole life that have been tested. It's the way that they give you this vaccine is the problem (not because it's a vaccine) The MRNA technique has not been used on humans fully until now hence experimental vaccine. The person who invented this technique has advised not to use it. I've had every vaccine in my life just not this one, I'll have future vaccines also if they gone through the proper tests (like every vaccine I've ever had). Anything that's had a fast track and company's had bypass on any future come backs rings alarm bells straight away. Anyway hopefully everyone will be ok and no long-term health problems, but everyone has the right to have it or not. |
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Post by felonious on Nov 16, 2022 7:52:40 GMT
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Post by franklin on Nov 16, 2022 12:18:17 GMT
My lad who lives in Brisbane told me that some restrictions are being reinstated !! |
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