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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Oct 1, 2022 21:19:14 GMT
Of course he has. Laughable nonsense. I'm far from suggesting that a nuclear strike is imminent but I don't think you can simply write it off as laughable nonsense. These are insane narcissists who have already demonstrated that they don't give a toss about anything but their own egos. If at some point, Putin realises that he really has lost, then it's entirely possible (although not probable) that he will elect to take everybody down with him, rathet than live to be humiliated. Ultimate control of the nuclear button in Russia is with the top military brass, not Putin. That's not to say that they would not follow his orders, but there is a level of safeguarding from having a nutter in charge. It's something of a concern that Putin has been purging his military, so I don't know how much common sense the current top brass have.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 1, 2022 21:41:37 GMT
I'm far from suggesting that a nuclear strike is imminent but I don't think you can simply write it off as laughable nonsense. These are insane narcissists who have already demonstrated that they don't give a toss about anything but their own egos. If at some point, Putin realises that he really has lost, then it's entirely possible (although not probable) that he will elect to take everybody down with him, rathet than live to be humiliated. Ultimate control of the nuclear button in Russia is with the top military brass, not Putin. That's not to say that they would not follow his orders, but there is a level of safeguarding from having a nutter in charge. It's something of a concern that Putin has been purging his military, so I don't know how much common sense the current top brass have. My original link was to Kadyrov suggesting that they unleash a low yield nuclear weapon in Ukraine in retaliation for losing Lyman. This isn't completely out of the question. Russia knows it almost certainly wouldn't result in a nuclear response from NATO initially but once that Rubicon has been crossed, it could be the start of a slippery slope, where ultimately, further down the line, we accidentally find ourselves in nuclear escalation. My point isn't really about how likely it is to happen but rather, that we need to tread carefully and diligently, rather than seeing it as something to laugh about.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2022 21:43:23 GMT
Ultimate control of the nuclear button in Russia is with the top military brass, not Putin. That's not to say that they would not follow his orders, but there is a level of safeguarding from having a nutter in charge. It's something of a concern that Putin has been purging his military, so I don't know how much common sense the current top brass have. My original link was to Kadyrov suggesting that they unleash a low yield nuclear weapon in Ukraine in retaliation for losing Lyman. This isn't completely out of the question. Russia knows it almost certainly wouldn't result in a nuclear response from NATO initially but once that Rubicon has been crossed, it could be the start of a slippery slope, where ultimately, further down the line, we accidentally find ourselves in nuclear escalation. My point isn't really about how likely it is to happen but rather, that we need to tread carefully and diligently, rather than seeing it as something to laugh about. We need to ignore it and crack on. They are words designed to scare and have little meaning.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 1, 2022 21:54:25 GMT
If Putin did decide to use any form of nuclear weapon in Ukraine or elsewhere, it'd be interesting to know how quickly Nato could storm the Kremlin and overthrow the Putin regime. Would it be within a few hours, a few days, a few weeks or longer.
One would hope if the worst happens, we have a clear, efficient plan in place.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 1, 2022 22:46:28 GMT
Ultimate control of the nuclear button in Russia is with the top military brass, not Putin. That's not to say that they would not follow his orders, but there is a level of safeguarding from having a nutter in charge. It's something of a concern that Putin has been purging his military, so I don't know how much common sense the current top brass have. My original link was to Kadyrov suggesting that they unleash a low yield nuclear weapon in Ukraine in retaliation for losing Lyman. This isn't completely out of the question. Russia knows it almost certainly wouldn't result in a nuclear response from NATO initially but once that Rubicon has been crossed, it could be the start of a slippery slope, where ultimately, further down the line, we accidentally find ourselves in nuclear escalation. My point isn't really about how likely it is to happen but rather, that we need to tread carefully and diligently, rather than seeing it as something to laugh about. That bold bit I def agree with mate. Any nuke needs to be an absolute red line. A single "tactical" nuke and we need to make it clear that it'll hurt. Something like all Russian military inside Ukraine has 12 hours to surrender or be destroyed. As will any Russian Black Sea ship that leaves port. Just spitballing but it needs to be clearly catastrophic for the Russian military or Putin will escalate bit by bit.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 2, 2022 1:14:34 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 2, 2022 4:19:53 GMT
And this is why the annexation thing was so funny imo. 1,100. Bloody hell the numbers are stacking up. How Putin can sleep at night sending his men to slaughter (and doing slaughtering of there own) just completely baffles me. I just saw this Tweet estimating at least 1,000 Russian casualties in Lyman. The Tweeter. Andrew Perpetua, has been pretty careful and reliable and he has loads of sources. At first I thought those numbers were way too high but if Andrew's seeing evidence then that's pretty convincing!
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Post by lordb on Oct 2, 2022 7:32:25 GMT
If Putin did decide to use any form of nuclear weapon in Ukraine or elsewhere, it'd be interesting to know how quickly Nato could storm the Kremlin and overthrow the Putin regime. Would it be within a few hours, a few days, a few weeks or longer. One would hope if the worst happens, we have a clear, efficient plan in place. We do need a plan however it's unrealistic to think we could storm the Kremlin The Russians would opt for MAD before that point
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Post by scfcfred on Oct 2, 2022 9:06:40 GMT
Sources all say different things so I wouldn't believe the 1,100 without clearer evidence. But there are some grim new videos doing the rounds showing messed up Russian soldiers, this was definitely another big defeat for Russia. I was impressed on how well the Ukrainian soldiers looked, kitted up to hell and well organised, there’s apparently 30 + new HIMARS on route, plus loads of winter special uniforms going there way. Expect Abraham’s soon Where have you heard about 30 new HIMARS?. I've only heard about 18 but need to be built so probably in a year or two.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2022 13:24:29 GMT
Ultimate control of the nuclear button in Russia is with the top military brass, not Putin. That's not to say that they would not follow his orders, but there is a level of safeguarding from having a nutter in charge. It's something of a concern that Putin has been purging his military, so I don't know how much common sense the current top brass have. My original link was to Kadyrov suggesting that they unleash a low yield nuclear weapon in Ukraine in retaliation for losing Lyman. This isn't completely out of the question. Russia knows it almost certainly wouldn't result in a nuclear response from NATO initially but once that Rubicon has been crossed, it could be the start of a slippery slope, where ultimately, further down the line, we accidentally find ourselves in nuclear escalation. My point isn't really about how likely it is to happen but rather, that we need to tread carefully and diligently, rather than seeing it as something to laugh about. Very well said. There’s nothing laughable about the situation. There’s a narrow bridge being walked right now and anyone who finds the situation “laughable” is too blinkered to see it.
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Post by questionable on Oct 2, 2022 13:36:53 GMT
I was impressed on how well the Ukrainian soldiers looked, kitted up to hell and well organised, there’s apparently 30 + new HIMARS on route, plus loads of winter special uniforms going there way. Expect Abraham’s soon Where have you heard about 30 new HIMARS?. I've only heard about 18 but need to be built so probably in a year or two. Latest package along with 18 Caesar type guns via France
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 2, 2022 16:38:25 GMT
This group is taking over the US Republican party under Trump and they're already trying out their talking points to surrender Ukraine to Putin.
This is Putin's theory of victory and probably why he's throwing in conscripts to buy time.
There's a big conflict here between leaders who want free liberal democracies (Biden, von der Leyen) and those who want their countries to look more like Putin's Russia (Trump, Orban), and Putin's failures are bad propaganda for the latter so I think they'd definitely prefer the ending be the conquest of much of Ukraine and genocide of its people.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 2, 2022 16:39:17 GMT
Where have you heard about 30 new HIMARS?. I've only heard about 18 but need to be built so probably in a year or two. Latest package along with 18 Caesar type guns via France Could you link? Last one I know about was 18 more and they're new ones, so it'll take a while. I saw 6-12 Caesar mobile guns maybe going to Ukraine instead of Denmark. A few countries got together and ordered another 12 Zuzana mobile guns for Greece. The poles and Germans have about 150 Panzerhaubitzen and Krab mobile guns on order too. I want to see more equipment getting there more quickly - S Korea actually have a load (~1k) of modified Paladins they're replacing and maybe could be persuaded to sell? But perhaps we just don't have enough 155 mm ammo yet. Hopefully the orders for more went in months ago.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 2, 2022 17:10:27 GMT
New rumours about northern Kherson Oblast, Russian telegram has gone quiet similar to when the Ukrainian Kharkiv offensive began.
We have photos showing the liberation of one village near the river and wild speculation that Ukraine has unhinged the whole Northern line of Russian defences.
This is in the south at the same time Russia is being pushed back in the north east. Videos from the NE look really muddy though, so everything could run out of steam if you can't drive off road any more.
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Post by Northy on Oct 2, 2022 17:34:31 GMT
New rumours about northern Kherson Oblast, Russian telegram has gone quiet similar to when the Ukrainian Kharkiv offensive began. We have photos showing the liberation of one village near the river and wild speculation that Ukraine has unhinged the whole Northern line of Russian defences. This is in the south at the same time Russia is being pushed back in the north east. Videos from the NE look really muddy though, so everything could run out of steam if you can't drive off road any more. Let's hope they are routed quickly before winter sets in.
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Post by questionable on Oct 2, 2022 18:04:58 GMT
Latest package along with 18 Caesar type guns via France Could you link? Last one I know about was 18 more and they're new ones, so it'll take a while. I saw 6-12 Caesar mobile guns maybe going to Ukraine instead of Denmark. A few countries got together and ordered another 12 Zuzana mobile guns for Greece. The poles and Germans have about 150 Panzerhaubitzen and Krab mobile guns on order too. I want to see more equipment getting there more quickly - S Korea actually have a load (~1k) of modified Paladins they're replacing and maybe could be persuaded to sell? But perhaps we just don't have enough 155 mm ammo yet. Hopefully the orders for more went in months ago. My bad, they’re in the pipeline for delivery
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2022 19:21:48 GMT
My original link was to Kadyrov suggesting that they unleash a low yield nuclear weapon in Ukraine in retaliation for losing Lyman. This isn't completely out of the question. Russia knows it almost certainly wouldn't result in a nuclear response from NATO initially but once that Rubicon has been crossed, it could be the start of a slippery slope, where ultimately, further down the line, we accidentally find ourselves in nuclear escalation. My point isn't really about how likely it is to happen but rather, that we need to tread carefully and diligently, rather than seeing it as something to laugh about. Very well said. There’s nothing laughable about the situation. There’s a narrow bridge being walked right now and anyone who finds the situation “laughable” is too blinkered to see it. Disagree. This fear of these people is exactly what they want. When the reality isn’t that scary.
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Post by swampmongrel on Oct 2, 2022 19:25:18 GMT
Could you link? Last one I know about was 18 more and they're new ones, so it'll take a while. I saw 6-12 Caesar mobile guns maybe going to Ukraine instead of Denmark. A few countries got together and ordered another 12 Zuzana mobile guns for Greece. The poles and Germans have about 150 Panzerhaubitzen and Krab mobile guns on order too. I want to see more equipment getting there more quickly - S Korea actually have a load (~1k) of modified Paladins they're replacing and maybe could be persuaded to sell? But perhaps we just don't have enough 155 mm ammo yet. Hopefully the orders for more went in months ago. My bad, they’re in the pipeline for delivery *my mistake
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 2, 2022 20:16:51 GMT
I'm sure I read somewhere that Germany is very much about to up the ante in terms of supplying weaponry to Ukraine.
That'll be an interesting development.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 2, 2022 20:40:48 GMT
I'm sure I read somewhere that Germany is very much about to up the ante in terms of supplying weaponry to Ukraine. That'll be an interesting development. Would be interesting. Ukraine keeps asking for Leopard tanks and Marder fighting vehicles. Given their available equipment Germany has been doing ok with support. Funding for artillery and ammo factories would be good. Get those VW dieselgate engineers involved, they're clearly smart.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 2, 2022 20:49:33 GMT
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Post by Gods on Oct 2, 2022 22:10:16 GMT
I'm sure I read somewhere that Germany is very much about to up the ante in terms of supplying weaponry to Ukraine. That'll be an interesting development. It would, because all the largest and most prosperous country in Europe has managed so far is a few f*cking helmets!
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 3, 2022 6:17:29 GMT
I'm sure I read somewhere that Germany is very much about to up the ante in terms of supplying weaponry to Ukraine. That'll be an interesting development. It would, because all the largest and most prosperous country in Europe has managed so far is a few f*cking helmets! They took their sweet fucking time but there's more to it now.German artillery, anti aircraft and anti-tank weapons are in the field. They've also given kit to other countries under a deal where those countries send Soviet vehicles to Ukraine. There's a good argument for that IMO - Ukrainian engineers have the knowledge and spare parts for the T-72 tanks and BMP-1 fighting vehicles they've been given. They don't have that for the Leopards and Marders that Germany sent to Czechia and Greece in exchange. 120+ self propelled howitzers on order too. About half the announced total and more than Germany owns.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Oct 3, 2022 6:33:25 GMT
From John R Bruning
News from Ukraine:
The Ukrainian armed forces launched another offensive this weekend. This time, they attacked the north side of the Russian bridgehead across the Dnieper River near Kherson. The Russians on that part of the line broke and ran. A Russian reporter on Telegram has been begging for air support.
Most recent reports suggest the front's collapse is so complete that the Ukrainian forward elements advanced 75 kilometers today. That puts them about 80 kms from Kherson now on that side of the line.
There are somewhere between 20,000 and 50,000 Russians west of the Dnieper.
This comes a day after Lyman fell to the Ukrainians, where some 5000 Russians were captured and another 1500 killed trying to escape as they were being surrounded.
Unconfirmed report says 500 Russian conscripts flat out refused to fight today.
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Post by hcstokie on Oct 3, 2022 9:45:49 GMT
From John R Bruning News from Ukraine: The Ukrainian armed forces launched another offensive this weekend. This time, they attacked the north side of the Russian bridgehead across the Dnieper River near Kherson. The Russians on that part of the line broke and ran. A Russian reporter on Telegram has been begging for air support. Most recent reports suggest the front's collapse is so complete that the Ukrainian forward elements advanced 75 kilometers today. That puts them about 80 kms from Kherson now on that side of the line. There are somewhere between 20,000 and 50,000 Russians west of the Dnieper. This comes a day after Lyman fell to the Ukrainians, where some 5000 Russians were captured and another 1500 killed trying to escape as they were being surrounded. Unconfirmed report says 500 Russian conscripts flat out refused to fight today. Fantastic!
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Post by musik on Oct 3, 2022 10:38:36 GMT
On swedish TV this weekend.
Gorbatjov made an agreement with USA about not using nuclear weapons unless Russia were attacked by nuclear weapons themselves.
This was the agreement all the time until Putin decided to break that promise and sign another one for themselves saying if Russia feel they are under attack by anyone in any way anywhere, no matter if it's conventional weapons or not, they are entitled to use nuclear weapons from the russian side.
Now, since Russia took four cities/or regions back, they belong to Russia from now on.
So any attempt from Ukraine to take anything back again will provoke Russia to use nuclear weapons in accordance with the new rules.
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Post by musik on Oct 3, 2022 10:45:58 GMT
Swedish paper news report. Researchers view.
If it leads to a use of nuclear weapons 99% of the swedish population will die of starvation rather quick. We are the most dependent country in the world when it comes to food import.
One of the first effects would be no electrical equipment wouldn't work, due to magnetism and shock waves. The waters, milk and berries would be absolutely life threatening to use.
The planet will become freezing cold since the nuclear dust will prevent the sun from shining through for hundreds of years.
After the nuclear power incident in Thernobyl Ukraine 36 years ago, the mushrooms and berries are to this day still uneatable in northern parts of our country!
The nuclear power waste is estimated to be dangerous for 100.000 years(!), leading to cancer and shit they don't even know about; When using nuclear weapons it's like digging this shit up and shooting it around.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 3, 2022 12:11:25 GMT
I’m still not having it’s anything but laughable.
State of them
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Post by scfcfred on Oct 3, 2022 12:24:28 GMT
Desperate stuff Ramzan Kadyrov, says he is sending three of his teenage sons -- aged 14, 15 and 16 -- to the Ukraine front. He'll be sending his goats next.
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Post by musik on Oct 3, 2022 13:06:46 GMT
Desperate stuff Ramzan Kadyrov, says he is sending three of his teenage sons -- aged 14, 15 and 16 -- to the Ukraine front. He'll be sending his goats next. On what side?
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