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Post by xchpotter on Oct 1, 2022 13:17:37 GMT
This estimate puts it at $45 Trillion Britain extracted from India, who knows, but it was a hell of a lot of money www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2018/12/19/how-britain-stole-45-trillion-from-indiaOn this of all threads there should be a self awareness that people don't like other Countries invading them and that resentment tends to linger.Would you expect the History of the Raj is taught benignly in Indian Schools? Conversely in India's only conflict since Independence how do you think Russia is portrayed in School History Teaching? If that’s the case we should hate the Germans Italians Japanese America Scandinavians Argentinians Scottish and visa versa There’s not many left. Sometimes you have to move on and stop holding grudges and move on and build bridges. Aside from the issues around India. What’s your general take on the rights and wrongs of the war? You are forgetting that’s it’s only Britain that has to be ashamed of its past and held to account. Other countries and empires who have done the same are conveniently forgotten. Or maybe they don’t have as many in their countries who insist on raking up the past trying to make people feel guilty for something several generations ago.
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Post by wannabee on Oct 1, 2022 14:04:32 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Oct 1, 2022 14:07:40 GMT
If that’s the case we should hate the Germans Italians Japanese America Scandinavians Argentinians Scottish and visa versa There’s not many left. Sometimes you have to move on and stop holding grudges and move on and build bridges. Aside from the issues around India. What’s your general take on the rights and wrongs of the war? You are forgetting that’s it’s only Britain that has to be ashamed of its past and held to account. Other countries and empires who have done the same are conveniently forgotten. Or maybe they don’t have as many in their countries who insist on raking up the past trying to make people feel guilty for something several generations ago. Simply not true. German education systems have them learn about the atrocities of the Wars. Britain’s Empire was the biggest and was one of the last to go. It’s not surprising that it gets brought up when people alive today will have experienced it.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 1, 2022 15:24:59 GMT
Biding their time to hoover up the remains I’m afraid. The problem is such is the desire for the West to buy their cheap, sub standard shite having destroyed/abandoned its own manufacturing bases, they will increasingly hold the balance of power as time goes on. People don’t get, nor seem to care, that we are all indirectly arming them and it will get to the point where they are superior militarily and have free reign over the rest of the world. I think India in particular are a fucking disgrace on this one. The amount of support and money we give that nation and they can't even oppose a dictator who is quite openly illegally seizing territory of other nations while murdering both Ukranian and Russian citizens. I think India are making a big mistake they'll be ashamed of but we want them onside long-term as a free democracy so I'd prefer a more diplomatic approach. Then again, from what I've heard from Indians Modi is like Trump or Putin so it's expected he's not 100% for Ukraine. India might also stop being a full democracy when he's done with it. I assume the big thing is military equipment. If Russia cuts them off from kit then that's like 98% of their tanks, 100% of their IFVs plus most of their fighter or strike jets that could struggle for parts. There might be an opening there to get them to switch away from Russian kit and give them freedom to move sooner rather than later? I understand if they don't want to break their own military immediately.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 1, 2022 15:36:46 GMT
There's a video claiming to be Russia's retreat from Lyman that a Ukrainian drone is watching but there is no artillery bombardment or whatever. Link. Surprising, maybe a green corridor? I would have picked surrender or death and bombed any retreat. Unless I thought either (i) Russian reinforcements would cut me off and free them or (ii) I have plenty of soldiers ready to go at another real target and I need Lyman asap. Or maybe Ukraine just didn't have the weaponry spare? Loads of rumours including Ukraine ran low on ammo, that hundreds of Russians surrendered, or anything in between.
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Post by wannabee on Oct 1, 2022 15:52:14 GMT
I think India in particular are a fucking disgrace on this one. The amount of support and money we give that nation and they can't even oppose a dictator who is quite openly illegally seizing territory of other nations while murdering both Ukranian and Russian citizens. I think India are making a big mistake they'll be ashamed of but we want them onside long-term as a free democracy so I'd prefer a more diplomatic approach. Then again, from what I've heard from Indians Modi is like Trump or Putin so it's expected he's not 100% for Ukraine. India might also stop being a full democracy when he's done with it. I assume the big thing is military equipment. If Russia cuts them off from kit then that's like 98% of their tanks, 100% of their IFVs plus most of their fighter or strike jets that could struggle for parts. There might be an opening there to get them to switch away from Russian kit and give them freedom to move sooner rather than later? I understand if they don't want to break their own military immediately. Modi is an Authoritarian Racist and in my view India is a Tinderbox ready to explode I find it strange that people on a different thread are Clamouring for UK to conclude a Trade Deal with India
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 1, 2022 16:05:46 GMT
Reliable source telling a heartbreaking story.
I follow a bunch of Russian YouTubers and they've mostly left Russia now. One has stayed but she's currently safe from drafting so maybe that's why.
The other women have either left or have plans to. Seeing them explain how hopeless protest seems to be is so tragic.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Oct 1, 2022 16:34:48 GMT
According to the Russian-hired military correspondents, their special forces were wiped out while trying to break out of the encirclement Russia will now want talks believe me, just die Putin They don't care. They've just drafted another 300,000 and if they fall they'll draft another 300,000.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 1, 2022 16:40:22 GMT
Russia will now want talks believe me, just die Putin They don't care. They've just drafted another 300,000 and if they fall they'll draft another 300,000. How much difference do you think that'd make? Anything you'd look out for? It's almost impossible to tell really but my guess is it'll be a big deal only in some areas, not everywhere.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 1, 2022 16:54:18 GMT
Ukrainian Ministry of Defence top level shitposting.
The picture is still murky but there are lots of photos and videos of wrecked vehicles and dead Russians claimed to be from the Lyman retreat.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2022 17:33:21 GMT
And this is why the annexation thing was so funny imo.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 1, 2022 17:39:02 GMT
And this is why the annexation thing was so funny imo. 1,100. Bloody hell the numbers are stacking up. How Putin can sleep at night sending his men to slaughter (and doing slaughtering of there own) just completely baffles me.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 1, 2022 17:44:29 GMT
And this is why the annexation thing was so funny imo. 1,100. Bloody hell the numbers are stacking up. How Putin can sleep at night sending his men to slaughter (and doing slaughtering of there own) just completely baffles me. I imagine because he’s completely insane and either doesn’t sleep (unlikely) or gets tranquilised
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 1, 2022 18:03:28 GMT
1,100. Bloody hell the numbers are stacking up. How Putin can sleep at night sending his men to slaughter (and doing slaughtering of there own) just completely baffles me. Sources all say different things so I wouldn't believe the 1,100 without clearer evidence. But there are some grim new videos doing the rounds showing messed up Russian soldiers, this was definitely another big defeat for Russia.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 1, 2022 18:10:56 GMT
1,100. Bloody hell the numbers are stacking up. How Putin can sleep at night sending his men to slaughter (and doing slaughtering of there own) just completely baffles me. Sources all say different things so I wouldn't believe the 1,100 without clearer evidence. But there are some grim new videos doing the rounds showing messed up Russian soldiers, this was definitely another big defeat for Russia. A lot of these Russian soldiers don’t have the heart for the fight, they don’t want it and are being forced. Of course there’s plenty who see themselves as heroic but I don’t think for a minute this is a national view. I have some optimism for uprising but unfortunately think this is a long way off and may be too late. Ukraine has my full support for what it is and I hope to god they end up with sufficient support to convince Russian to back down.
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Post by ravey123 on Oct 1, 2022 18:20:01 GMT
And this is why the annexation thing was so funny imo. 1,100. Bloody hell the numbers are stacking up. How Putin can sleep at night sending his men to slaughter (and doing slaughtering of there own) just completely baffles me. Simple. He doesn’t think of his soldiers as people with families and loved ones - he thinks of them as expendable pawns in his invasion. Each soldier dying on both sides is one or more of a brother, husband, father, son, grandson, best mate - it’s absolutely tragic how little he thinks of a life.
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Post by questionable on Oct 1, 2022 18:30:38 GMT
1,100. Bloody hell the numbers are stacking up. How Putin can sleep at night sending his men to slaughter (and doing slaughtering of there own) just completely baffles me. Sources all say different things so I wouldn't believe the 1,100 without clearer evidence. But there are some grim new videos doing the rounds showing messed up Russian soldiers, this was definitely another big defeat for Russia. I was impressed on how well the Ukrainian soldiers looked, kitted up to hell and well organised, there’s apparently 30 + new HIMARS on route, plus loads of winter special uniforms going there way. Expect Abraham’s soon
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 1, 2022 19:11:47 GMT
Different sources supporting this was another modern Russian Kamov Ka-52 attack chopper going down.
Russia has now lost at *least* 20 out of the ~120 it supposedly started with. Cost to Russia: over 20 billion roubles (~£300 million).
And video also show what looks like another Russian fighter jet exploding in Crimea.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 1, 2022 19:18:01 GMT
Different sources supporting this was another modern Russian Kamov Ka-52 attack chopper going down. Russia has now lost at *least* 20 out of the ~120 it supposedly started with. Cost to Russia: over 20 billion roubles (~£300 million). And video also show what looks like another Russian fighter jet exploding in Crimea. Loving the aggressive tune in the background
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 1, 2022 19:24:13 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 1, 2022 19:35:29 GMT
1,100. Bloody hell the numbers are stacking up. How Putin can sleep at night sending his men to slaughter (and doing slaughtering of there own) just completely baffles me. Simple. He doesn’t think of his soldiers as people with families and loved ones - he thinks of them as expendable pawns in his invasion. Each soldier dying on both sides is one or more of a brother, husband, father, son, grandson, best mate - it’s absolutely tragic how little he thinks of a life. Same as it ever was.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 1, 2022 19:45:37 GMT
If there’s ever a fella that deserved a missile in the face it’s that loon, Kadyrov 🔥🪓
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 1, 2022 19:47:22 GMT
If there’s ever a fella that deserved a missile in the face it’s that loon, Kadyrov 🔥🪓 I’d prefer a bullet, a missile would take away from the aesthetic enjoyment
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 1, 2022 20:14:49 GMT
If there’s ever a fella that deserved a missile in the face it’s that loon, Kadyrov 🔥🪓 I’d prefer a bullet, a missile would take away from the aesthetic enjoyment The thought of him vaporised through his own arsehole Give a certain degree of a warm glow
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 1, 2022 20:16:33 GMT
But where does he strike? To use it against Ukraine army in Lyman would be seen by Russians as turning his own territory and people into a nuclear wasteland. If he uses it against a target in Ukraine, this would cross a red line invoking a NATO response. I think the Americans have already spelt out what their response would be to any use of nuclear weapons by Putin.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 1, 2022 20:22:45 GMT
But where does he strike? To use it against Ukraine army in Lyman would be seen by Russians as turning his own territory and people into a nuclear wasteland. If he uses it against a target in Ukraine, this would cross a red line invoking a NATO response. I think the Americans have already spelt out what their response would be to any use of nuclear weapons by Putin. I’d hope the Chinese have also told him that as far as they’re concerned that option is off the table.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 1, 2022 20:26:06 GMT
Of course he has. Laughable nonsense.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 1, 2022 20:41:50 GMT
Of course he has. Laughable nonsense. I'm far from suggesting that a nuclear strike is imminent but I don't think you can simply write it off as laughable nonsense. These are insane narcissists who have already demonstrated that they don't give a toss about anything but their own egos. If at some point, Putin realises that he really has lost, then it's entirely possible (although not probable) that he will elect to take everybody down with him, rathet than live to be humiliated.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Oct 1, 2022 20:52:23 GMT
If at some point, Putin realises that he really has lost, then it's entirely possible (although not probable) that he will elect to take everybody down with him, rathet than live to be humiliated. Putin, and the host of other people who'd be involved in any nukes being launched, will all have brothers/sisters/sons/daughters/etc... And they all know full well that if they do launch any nukes they'll be getting hundreds of them sent back their way within minutes. Do you really think they're that insane that they're all willing to sacrifice their entire families?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 1, 2022 21:01:15 GMT
If at some point, Putin realises that he really has lost, then it's entirely possible (although not probable) that he will elect to take everybody down with him, rathet than live to be humiliated. Putin, and the host of other people who'd be involved in any nukes being launched, will all have brothers/sisters/sons/daughters/etc... And they all know full well that if they do launch any nukes they'll be getting hundreds of them sent back their way within minutes. Do you really think they're that insane that they're all willing to sacrifice their entire families? If you had quoted the entirety of my post, you would have seen that my point was that you can't simply LAUGH it off as an eventuality (no matter how small that eventuality might be), or then again, maybe you think we actually can have a good chuckle about it?
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