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Post by musik on Jun 19, 2022 21:14:34 GMT
Russia say they don't trust Sweden and Finland; that we won't position weapons only in our own countries - according to the news here.
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Post by xchpotter on Jun 19, 2022 21:25:48 GMT
On Channel 4 news now, the Ukrainian defence minister being interviewed. He said they are quoting the support they are receiving from the UK to other nations as the example of the support they need. Your snidy obsessional anti EU ranting is neither accurate nor helpful and is quite frankly shameful The greatest Propaganda coup Putin could achieve would be to create dissent among Western Allies in a dick measuring contest especially if carried by MSN I won't engage further with you on this but would respectfully ask you to desist He’s only doing the same as you and your pro EU and anti all things Brexit stance, just from an opposing view. You can’t dish it out then moan at someone for doing the same just because you don’t like or agree with it.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 20, 2022 5:52:52 GMT
MrCoke- please desist 😀
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 20, 2022 6:00:15 GMT
Your snidy obsessional anti EU ranting is neither accurate nor helpful and is quite frankly shameful The greatest Propaganda coup Putin could achieve would be to create dissent among Western Allies in a dick measuring contest especially if carried by MSN I won't engage further with you on this but would respectfully ask you to desist He’s only doing the same as you and your pro EU and anti all things Brexit stance, just from an opposing view. You can’t dish it out then moan at someone for doing the same just because you don’t like or agree with it. Despite being a buffoon and a dishonest cheat this is something that Boris has got very right. Credit to him for supporting Ukraine in a way others haven’t.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jun 20, 2022 9:06:25 GMT
Blow up billy bell doll ? You are quite right… there is also an assumption relating to sentience as well as species and sexuality. Very true. He also may have found himself embedded and aroused in the seat upholstery.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 20, 2022 17:01:10 GMT
Your snidy obsessional anti EU ranting is neither accurate nor helpful and is quite frankly shameful The greatest Propaganda coup Putin could achieve would be to create dissent among Western Allies in a dick measuring contest especially if carried by MSN I won't engage further with you on this but would respectfully ask you to desist He’s only doing the same as you and your pro EU and anti all things Brexit stance, just from an opposing view. You can’t dish it out then moan at someone for doing the same just because you don’t like or agree with it. I'm quite prepared and do debate and respond to Mr Coke on Brexit thread we can legitimately hold different opinions on Brexit I think it's inappropriate to conflate Brexit with The Ukraine War, when it's got F All to do with it. The only purpose it would serve would be to hand Putin a Propaganda Victory where he could point out discent within Western Allies
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 20, 2022 19:28:48 GMT
Sounds bad for Ukraine in Sievierodonetsk now. The Ukrainian governor of the region is suggesting they lost more ground and Russia is pushing up towards Lysychansk on the other side of the river too.
Still 3 weeks since Russia claimed it had fallen and Ukrainian heroes are *still* fighting there.
This is a town slightly smaller than Newcastle-under-Lyme and Russia has been exhausting itself since early April to grab it.
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Post by swampmongrel on Jun 20, 2022 20:12:18 GMT
He’s only doing the same as you and your pro EU and anti all things Brexit stance, just from an opposing view. You can’t dish it out then moan at someone for doing the same just because you don’t like or agree with it. I'm quite prepared and do debate and respond to Mr Coke on Brexit thread we can legitimately hold different opinions on Brexit I think it's inappropriate to conflate Brexit with The Ukraine War, when it's got F All to do with it. The only purpose it would serve would be to hand Putin a Propaganda Victory where he could point out discent within Western Allies Mr Coke’s post didn’t mention Brexit, the EU, or any EU member state.
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Post by wannabee on Jun 20, 2022 20:28:59 GMT
I'm quite prepared and do debate and respond to Mr Coke on Brexit thread we can legitimately hold different opinions on Brexit I think it's inappropriate to conflate Brexit with The Ukraine War, when it's got F All to do with it. The only purpose it would serve would be to hand Putin a Propaganda Victory where he could point out discent within Western Allies Mr Coke’s post didn’t mention Brexit, the EU, or any EU member state. Are you serious? Which nations do you think he was referring to when he said "the support they are receiving from UK to other nations "
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 20, 2022 22:42:48 GMT
Good thread
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 21, 2022 17:09:04 GMT
Looks like Ukrainian sources are saying Russians broke through several towns in Luhansk. If accurate they'll have to retreat from the last fortress south of Lysychansk, or the soldiers there will be trapped.
This would be terrible news but it would still be a tiny victory for Russia compared with what they've wanted the whole time.
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Post by questionable on Jun 21, 2022 17:33:14 GMT
Looks like Ukrainian sources are saying Russians broke through several towns in Luhansk. If accurate they'll have to retreat from the last fortress south of Lysychansk, or the soldiers there will be trapped. This would be terrible news but it would still be a tiny victory for Russia compared with what they've wanted the whole time. Losing small areas to greater numbers will play straight into Ukrainians hands as surely with the fire power they’ll hopefully soon be getting they’ll obliterate/concentrate on those areas well packed with Russian troops, please be true.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 21, 2022 17:46:50 GMT
Looks like Ukrainian sources are saying Russians broke through several towns in Luhansk. If accurate they'll have to retreat from the last fortress south of Lysychansk, or the soldiers there will be trapped. This would be terrible news but it would still be a tiny victory for Russia compared with what they've wanted the whole time. Losing small areas to greater numbers will play straight into Ukrainians hands as surely with the fire power they’ll hopefully soon be getting they’ll obliterate/concentrate on those areas well packed with Russian troops, please be true. Today genuinely seems like bad news. They were important defensive positions that protected flanks + supply lines. I thought maybe Ukraine could hold Lysychansk but that looks really unlikely now IMO. Obviously we don't know how much each side is losing. Unless Ukraine is losing lots more soldiers and morale than Russia then they're playing for time and should be better off next month than this. The first wave of German, Dutch and Polish howitzers now arrived. I'm a month they'll also have long-range rocket launchers.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 21, 2022 18:46:52 GMT
A war can potentially be lost or won in a day.
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Post by questionable on Jun 22, 2022 16:41:23 GMT
Glanced over the news and seems that Russian troops have had a bit of a hammering plus civil unrest is gathering momentum as poorer areas are being forced into sending their men into battle.
Wish I felt any sympathy for them but nope
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 22, 2022 16:49:38 GMT
Glanced over the news and seems that Russian troops have had a bit of a hammering plus civil unrest is gathering momentum as poorer areas are being forced into sending their men into battle. Wish I felt any sympathy for them but nope I feel sympathy for anyone coerced or forced to fight against their will, be they Russian or anyone else
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Post by questionable on Jun 22, 2022 16:54:40 GMT
Glanced over the news and seems that Russian troops have had a bit of a hammering plus civil unrest is gathering momentum as poorer areas are being forced into sending their men into battle. Wish I felt any sympathy for them but nope I feel sympathy for anyone coerced or forced to fight against their will, be they Russian or anyone else Guaranteed if they’d run riot with their plans they’d be more stories of rape, executions, mass graves, torture, abductions etc, etc. No sympathy whatsoever in my camp I’m afraid
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 22, 2022 17:53:31 GMT
A war can potentially be lost or won in a day. My gut feeling says unlikely, at least with the current committed forces. Would Ukraine lose in a day? Russia has failed every attack more than ~70km from a railhead. Any Russian surge should just see hundreds of wrecked and abandoned vehicles just like at the start. Would Russia lose in a day? I don't think so. IMO the big chance for a "won in a day" was at the end of Feb.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 23, 2022 10:11:01 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 23, 2022 10:17:32 GMT
Lada's are wank, had an estate once, had me first shag and crash in it. Fond memories!!!!!! Why do Ladas have a heated rear window ? So you can keep your hands warm when pushing them.
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 23, 2022 10:52:14 GMT
Lada's are wank, had an estate once, had me first shag and crash in it. Fond memories!!!!!! Why do Ladas have a heated rear window ? So you can keep your hands warm when pushing them. Bum bum!!!!!!
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Post by tuum on Jun 23, 2022 12:54:31 GMT
I have read that EU is trying to persuade Ukraine to give up some territory so we can all get back to normal. Ukraine obviously doesn't want to do that but what if the EU offers them membership as an incentive and Nato membership. Do you think Ukraine would give up Donbas if it meant getting their hands on some Euro billions and the protection of Nato?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 23, 2022 16:44:23 GMT
I have read that EU is trying to persuade Ukraine to give up some territory so we can all get back to normal. Ukraine obviously doesn't want to do that but what if the EU offers them membership as an incentive and Nato membership. Do you think Ukraine would give up Donbas if it meant getting their hands on some Euro billions and the protection of Nato? If the eu wants to sacrifice Ukrainian land Ukraine should tell the eu the exact same as the British voter did to fuck off Only the complete withdrawal of all Russian troops from Ukraine soil is acceptable
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 23, 2022 17:18:21 GMT
I have read that EU is trying to persuade Ukraine to give up some territory so we can all get back to normal. Ukraine obviously doesn't want to do that but what if the EU offers them membership as an incentive and Nato membership. Do you think Ukraine would give up Donbas if it meant getting their hands on some Euro billions and the protection of Nato? If the eu wants to sacrifice Ukrainian land Ukraine should tell the eu the exact same as the British voter did to fuck off Only the complete withdrawal of all Russian troops from Ukraine soil is acceptable A lot of this "EU said/did X" is being pushed by the Russians and most of it is just guff they came up with. Just like during Brexit. A strong EU is bad for autocrats and Putin's dreams in particular. It's obvious his fans want people to think badly of the EU and they will say literally anything that they think will persuade people.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 23, 2022 17:20:33 GMT
Necessary. The UK should be doing more too.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jun 23, 2022 17:45:04 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 23, 2022 17:46:26 GMT
Almost worthy of the Clown World thread that mate
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Post by mtrstudent on Jun 23, 2022 22:53:04 GMT
Ukrainian military says they retreated from the little fortress town (Zolote) south of Lysychansk. If true it's good news they got the soldiers out. The bad news is that Luhansk Oblast now looks seriously fucked.
Plenty of drone videos showing Russian kit getting wrecked though. Experts are saying Russia can do one more big surge without mobilisation. That surge involves throwing in all the training battalions which people seem to think is stupid long-term so I guess we'll see.
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 24, 2022 1:15:00 GMT
Power to the Ukrainian Goats!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jun 24, 2022 12:44:51 GMT
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