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Post by mrcoke on May 30, 2022 9:02:13 GMT
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Post by wannabee on May 30, 2022 11:13:20 GMT
Good morning Comrade, Blimey you confront me with an Article on Russia by the Morning Star even before I've had a chance to eat my Cornflakes For a more faithful reporting of the interview try this (ironically from Iran, but they do like their oil) www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14010303000623/EU-Explains-Absence-f-Rssian-Oil-EmbargThe actual subject under discussion with Bayern with fine contributions from The Student was the merits of Germany's contribution to support Ukraine Whether its protecting its Refugees, sending arms or financially by not buying Oil from Russia. Bayern felt certain that Germany was a wrong'un without actually explaining why. Looking after Refugees was accepted, Bayern felt more actual arms should be sent and an excellent piece by the Student explained the difficulties. Your concern is Oil/Money and The Student agrees with you. Therefore I'm happy to say that Germany is well ahead of schedule in weaning itself off Russian Oil by end of summer time.com/6172484/germany-russia-energy-gas/
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 30, 2022 16:26:59 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2022 16:27:31 GMT
It’s basically a call for ethnic cleansing.
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Post by wannabee on May 30, 2022 18:45:45 GMT
It’s basically a call for ethnic cleansing. I doubt anyone will take this long retired old warhorse seriously He a War Criminal and a Xenophobe for sure but hold no office His Vodka soaked addled brain couldn't even keep to the script properly when asked about the Special Operation he kept going on about The War and saying the people of Ukraine didn't welcome the Russian Troops with Flowers Sone of his pronouncements were reminiscent of Comical Ali but much more sinister due to whose saying them given his track record in Chechnya and elsewhere I think this is some local YouTube channel and I expect it will get more airplay outside Russia than internally as its gone wildly off message
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2022 19:04:23 GMT
It’s basically a call for ethnic cleansing. I doubt anyone will take this long retired old warhorse seriously He a War Criminal and a Xenophobe for sure but hold no office His Vodka soaked addled brain couldn't even keep to the script properly when asked about the Special Operation he kept going on about The War and saying the people of Ukraine didn't welcome the Russian Troops with Flowers Sone of his pronouncements were reminiscent of Comical Ali but much more sinister due to whose saying them given his track record in Chechnya and elsewhere I think this is some local YouTube channel and I expect it will get more airplay outside Russia than internally as its gone wildly off message The state Duma is their parliament isn’t it? And he’s part of the defence committee there.
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Post by wannabee on May 30, 2022 19:29:35 GMT
Retired in October 2021
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2022 19:45:38 GMT
More members of their parliament.
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Post by wannabee on May 30, 2022 20:13:46 GMT
It looks more entertaining than Britain's Got Talent
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 30, 2022 20:23:11 GMT
It looks more entertaining than Britain's Got Talent Songs of Praise is more entertaining than Britains Got Talent
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Post by partickpotter on May 30, 2022 21:06:21 GMT
More members of their parliament. What you are seeing is someone who believes Ukraine is a part of Russia not a sovereign country. Everything else flows from that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2022 21:21:20 GMT
More members of their parliament. What you are seeing is someone who believes Ukraine is a part of Russia not a sovereign country. Everything else flows from that. It’s insane. Looks like a mixed time in the actual war. It looks like Sv….the town in the east will fall soon. But they’re making solid gains towards Kherson
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Post by mtrstudent on May 30, 2022 22:05:28 GMT
Just read my usual sources on a bus trip.
1. EU says it will cut Russian oil by 90% before 2023.
2. Russians entered centre of Sievierodonetsk. Videos make it look quiet and Ukrainians say they retreated.
3. Videos claim to show Ukrainian advances north of Kherson
Number 2 sounds bad but it looks sensible if the Ukrainians got their soldiers back over the river safely. Russian needs to take Lysychansk over the river to get a big win IMO, it'd be bad news if Ukraine has to retreat there. Lots of reports of ukrainain soldiers saying they're low on heavy weapons in that area, we need to get them more.
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Post by partickpotter on May 31, 2022 6:43:57 GMT
What you are seeing is someone who believes Ukraine is a part of Russia not a sovereign country. Everything else flows from that. It’s insane. Looks like a mixed time in the actual war. It looks like Sv….the town in the east will fall soon. But they’re making solid gains towards Kherson From here it looks insane. But from the Russian side, at lease from some in Russia, what they are doing is consistent with their history particularly in terms of ancient territorial claims associated with “Rus”. In this world Kiev is an intrinsic part of what is now Russia. It’s where the historical kingdom of Rus, the forebear of Russia, was established. They see these historical claims as superior to current national borders. Which, of course, puts them at odds with most of the rest of the 21st century. Not to mention the Ukrainian people who have good reason to hate Russia having suffered under the yolk of Russian domination for centuries.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2022 6:48:05 GMT
It’s insane. Looks like a mixed time in the actual war. It looks like Sv….the town in the east will fall soon. But they’re making solid gains towards Kherson From here it looks insane. But from the Russian side, at lease from some in Russia, what they are doing is consistent with their history particularly in terms of ancient territorial claims associated with “Rus”. In this world Kiev is an intrinsic part of what is now Russia. It’s where the historical kingdom of Rus, the forebear of Russia, was established. They see these historical claims as superior to current national borders. Which, of course, puts them at odds with most of the rest of the 21st century. Not to mention the Ukrainian people who have good reason to hate Russia having suffered under the yolk of Russian domination for centuries. Indeed and that’s why we can’t give in. They need to lose.
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Post by partickpotter on May 31, 2022 7:31:12 GMT
From here it looks insane. But from the Russian side, at lease from some in Russia, what they are doing is consistent with their history particularly in terms of ancient territorial claims associated with “Rus”. In this world Kiev is an intrinsic part of what is now Russia. It’s where the historical kingdom of Rus, the forebear of Russia, was established. They see these historical claims as superior to current national borders. Which, of course, puts them at odds with most of the rest of the 21st century. Not to mention the Ukrainian people who have good reason to hate Russia having suffered under the yolk of Russian domination for centuries. Indeed and that’s why we can’t give in. They need to lose. Which begs the question… what constitutes Russia losing? Which might be easier to consider from the opposite way, what would Russia see as a victory. In this case, a victory would be in two stages. First a halt to military action that sees Russia hold significant new territory in the south and east of Ukraine followed by a resumption of economic relations with the West, even it it is on a reduced basis but sufficient to allow Russia’s economy to rebuild its armed forces capability for its next foray into former Soviet territories. I think the first of these is, sadly, inevitable. The second is critical. Economic sanctions need to not just remain in place but escalated further. Russia needs to remain a pariah state for as long as it holds onto the territory it has seized in this war. I worry though that the EU will not hold firm on this second part.
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Post by wagsastokie on May 31, 2022 9:50:09 GMT
Indeed and that’s why we can’t give in. They need to lose. Which begs the question… what constitutes Russia losing? Which might be easier to consider from the opposite way, what would Russia see as a victory. In this case, a victory would be in two stages. First a halt to military action that sees Russia hold significant new territory in the south and east of Ukraine followed by a resumption of economic relations with the West, even it it is on a reduced basis but sufficient to allow Russia’s economy to rebuild its armed forces capability for its next foray into former Soviet territories. I think the first of these is, sadly, inevitable. The second is critical. Economic sanctions need to not just remain in place but escalated further. Russia needs to remain a pariah state for as long as it holds onto the territory it has seized in this war. I worry though that the EU will not hold firm on this second part. You’ve got more chance of platting fog than the EU holding firm on anything that will cost a few Bob
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Post by mrcoke on May 31, 2022 12:18:42 GMT
Which begs the question… what constitutes Russia losing? Which might be easier to consider from the opposite way, what would Russia see as a victory. In this case, a victory would be in two stages. First a halt to military action that sees Russia hold significant new territory in the south and east of Ukraine followed by a resumption of economic relations with the West, even it it is on a reduced basis but sufficient to allow Russia’s economy to rebuild its armed forces capability for its next foray into former Soviet territories. I think the first of these is, sadly, inevitable. The second is critical. Economic sanctions need to not just remain in place but escalated further. Russia needs to remain a pariah state for as long as it holds onto the territory it has seized in this war. I worry though that the EU will not hold firm on this second part. You’ve got more chance of platting fog than the EU holding firm on anything that will cost a few Bob Very true. (unless those bobs are going into the "right pockets") The EU is dominated by big business, particularly German and French. This is an old report and rather long but give examples of how big business rules the roost: www.alter-eu.org/corporate-capture-in-europe-when-big-business-dominates-policy-making-and-threatens-our-rights-0This is driven by personal interest and the revolving door between big business jobs and European Commission. jobs. There are tens of thousands of lobbyists in Brussels pushing big business interests. We have lobbying in the UK as exampled by Cameron recently; they are all "at it" as Huddy is quick to tell us. But in the UK lobbying is a cottage industry compared with the EU. Merkel tried to push through an EU - China Investment deal before she left her turn as the EU Council chair. Von der Leyern was investigated by the EU Ombudsman about her texting with the head of Pfizer but all texts had been deleted. There is apparently a huge amount of texting between the EU Commission and big business but it is official EU policy not to keep texts as official records. The people who created the EU might of had noble intentions of preventing a third World War in Europe but the interests of the EU have been hijacked by commercial interests such as the CAP whose policies are dominated by large land owners, animal food producers, food processing companies (who have received CAP funding in the past), fertiliser producers, and chemical companies selling insecticides and fungicides, etc.
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Post by wannabee on May 31, 2022 13:43:29 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on May 31, 2022 14:21:55 GMT
Compared to the eu four percent of piss all is still in comparison piss all I don’t suppose you know the percentage of registered eu lobbyists
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Post by Northy on May 31, 2022 15:38:33 GMT
It’s insane. Looks like a mixed time in the actual war. It looks like Sv….the town in the east will fall soon. But they’re making solid gains towards Kherson From here it looks insane. But from the Russian side, at lease from some in Russia, what they are doing is consistent with their history particularly in terms of ancient territorial claims associated with “Rus”. In this world Kiev is an intrinsic part of what is now Russia. It’s where the historical kingdom of Rus, the forebear of Russia, was established. They see these historical claims as superior to current national borders. Which, of course, puts them at odds with most of the rest of the 21st century. Not to mention the Ukrainian people who have good reason to hate Russia having suffered under the yolk of Russian domination for centuries. Established by the Rus Vikings, so should Russia bow down to Scandinavia ?
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Post by wannabee on May 31, 2022 16:07:59 GMT
Alas poor Rurik I knew him well
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 31, 2022 16:13:35 GMT
Alas poor Rurik I knew him well His cube was a bit frustrating.
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Post by partickpotter on May 31, 2022 16:47:26 GMT
From here it looks insane. But from the Russian side, at lease from some in Russia, what they are doing is consistent with their history particularly in terms of ancient territorial claims associated with “Rus”. In this world Kiev is an intrinsic part of what is now Russia. It’s where the historical kingdom of Rus, the forebear of Russia, was established. They see these historical claims as superior to current national borders. Which, of course, puts them at odds with most of the rest of the 21st century. Not to mention the Ukrainian people who have good reason to hate Russia having suffered under the yolk of Russian domination for centuries. Established by the Rus Vikings, so should Russia bow down to Scandinavia ? Indeed. I doubt the Russians who look to Kyivan Rus for inspiration will be taking that into account.
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Post by mrcoke on May 31, 2022 17:14:14 GMT
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Post by wannabee on May 31, 2022 17:41:44 GMT
Compared to the eu four percent of piss all is still in comparison piss all I don’t suppose you know the percentage of registered eu lobbyists I think you may be doing a Nadine Dorries, only 4% were registered I admit its old maybe better now 12,318 according to the register I think overall All governments try and release as little as possible EU UK USA Timbuktu ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/public/homePage.do
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2022 19:28:45 GMT
Indeed and that’s why we can’t give in. They need to lose. Which begs the question… what constitutes Russia losing? Which might be easier to consider from the opposite way, what would Russia see as a victory. In this case, a victory would be in two stages. First a halt to military action that sees Russia hold significant new territory in the south and east of Ukraine followed by a resumption of economic relations with the West, even it it is on a reduced basis but sufficient to allow Russia’s economy to rebuild its armed forces capability for its next foray into former Soviet territories. I think the first of these is, sadly, inevitable. The second is critical. Economic sanctions need to not just remain in place but escalated further. Russia needs to remain a pariah state for as long as it holds onto the territory it has seized in this war. I worry though that the EU will not hold firm on this second part. I think a victory is Russia out of Ukraine and I think that’s not so far out of the question. It will take a while and as you say the will of the EU and USA has to stay but I think it’s still holding just. The EU announcement on oil is much better than expected.
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Post by OldStokie on May 31, 2022 19:52:32 GMT
Which begs the question… what constitutes Russia losing? Which might be easier to consider from the opposite way, what would Russia see as a victory. In this case, a victory would be in two stages. First a halt to military action that sees Russia hold significant new territory in the south and east of Ukraine followed by a resumption of economic relations with the West, even it it is on a reduced basis but sufficient to allow Russia’s economy to rebuild its armed forces capability for its next foray into former Soviet territories. I think the first of these is, sadly, inevitable. The second is critical. Economic sanctions need to not just remain in place but escalated further. Russia needs to remain a pariah state for as long as it holds onto the territory it has seized in this war. I worry though that the EU will not hold firm on this second part. I think a victory is Russia out of Ukraine and I think that’s not so far out of the question. It will take a while and as you say the will of the EU and USA has to stay but I think it’s still holding just. The EU announcement on oil is much better than expected. I reckon your scenario is a long way away, Bayern. It will take the death of 'Napoleon' and his long-in-the-tooth generals before Russia gets back into the 21st century. OS.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2022 20:23:15 GMT
I think a victory is Russia out of Ukraine and I think that’s not so far out of the question. It will take a while and as you say the will of the EU and USA has to stay but I think it’s still holding just. The EU announcement on oil is much better than expected. I reckon your scenario is a long way away, Bayern. It will take the death of 'Napoleon' and his long-in-the-tooth generals before Russia gets back into the 21st century. OS. I’m not sure. Their material losses are massive and their relative success in the east in the last month has been for a really small bit of land and they’ve been taking heavy losses as Ukraine gets more troops and equipment online. Some analysts reckon Russia won’t be able to carry on after the summer. And I think that’s not too far fetched. Attacking is harder than defending for sure when it comes to war but I think they excerpt enough pressure to start to regain enough territory within 12 months. Manpower is an issue too. They’ve lost anything between 15-30 thousand troops. We lost 300/400 in Afghan over 10 years was it? They can’t carry that on. It’s not WW2. They don’t have an endless of manpower to keep going. Yes they’ll be brutal but the sanctions are working, the announcement re oil was good and Ukraine are getting more troops trained and more equipment into the field. I think it’s a case of holding their nerve for a month or two and then exploiting the gaps that should open up. Tbh that is what is apparently happening in Kherson. Russia has focused its forces in the east and Ukraine is taking advantage in the south. If it can get Kherson city back (which seems weeks away if it happens) then their plan for a land bridge to Tranistria becomes even harder. But that’s a big if.
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Post by Northy on Jun 1, 2022 9:06:06 GMT
Established by the Rus Vikings, so should Russia bow down to Scandinavia ? Indeed. I doubt the Russians who look to Kyivan Rus for inspiration will be taking that into account. And probably as Kyiv was the original capital, shouldn't Russia fall under Kyiv
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