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Post by mtrstudent on May 10, 2022 15:33:33 GMT
Remember how, at the beginning of the war, there were tonnes of videos by normal Ukrainians showing abandoned Russian tanks etc? There were so many that it was absolutely clear Putin couldn't keep up what he was doing. Now it's more a traditional war with civilians mostly out of the way or cut off, so we're seeing far fewer vids. Almost everything leaking is military drone footage.
Both sides can control what they release, the video times are hidden etc so the fog of war is really severe. The footage released shows a lot more blurry artillery strikes, and way fewer cases of some madlads hiding by the road and taking out tanks with missile launchers before hopping off.
It's really worrying, I can't tell how well or badly things are going, especially in Lysychansk and Sievierodonetsk which the Russians are close to cutting off.
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Post by mrcoke on May 10, 2022 19:52:08 GMT
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Post by Gods on May 10, 2022 22:25:33 GMT
What a man, just extraordinairy, we need to get stuck in to Putin now, no more appeasement, no more cowtowing to a bully, the alternatives are all worse.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2022 16:22:21 GMT
Oops
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Post by questionable on May 11, 2022 17:00:34 GMT
There’s a recent video on the Sun website showing an entire Russian tank column getting obliterated within seconds literally every tank gets hammered, some accuracy believe me, one tank tries to drive through the barrage and well the rest is history.
Rot in hell.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 11, 2022 17:05:58 GMT
I don't think the Russian forces have the heart for this, Ukraine are fighting for their homeland, what are the forces of Russia fighting for?
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Post by lordb on May 11, 2022 17:17:36 GMT
I don't think the Russian forces have the heart for this, Ukraine are fighting for their homeland, what are the forces of Russia fighting for? They have Russian guns pointed at their back
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Post by questionable on May 11, 2022 18:09:50 GMT
I don't think the Russian forces have the heart for this, Ukraine are fighting for their homeland, what are the forces of Russia fighting for? They have Russian guns pointed at their back At some point there’s going to be more guns pointing back at the Russians enforcers, there’s the 155mm howitzers they’re contending with now, not so funny now is it for the Russians. No idea how Putin comes out with any positives, my guess is he’ll say the objective was the Azure regiments he’s dismantled.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2022 18:38:30 GMT
Starkiller has been quiet about all this Russian invasion.
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Post by lordb on May 11, 2022 18:54:34 GMT
They have Russian guns pointed at their back At some point there’s going to be more guns pointing back at the Russians enforcers, there’s the 155mm howitzers they’re contending with now, not so funny now is it for the Russians. No idea how Putin comes out with any positives, my guess is he’ll say the objective was the Azure regiments he’s dismantled. What I mean is the Russian soldiers either fight or they get shot by their own officers
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Post by partickpotter on May 12, 2022 7:30:14 GMT
Well, it was coming but even so this feels like a very significant moment… Finland to apply to join NATO.
Sweden expected to follow suit over the weekend.
Congrats due to Putin for both reinvigorating and expanding NATO.
Mind you, I’m not sure that was one of his intended objectives when he commenced his special operations in Ukraine.
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Post by serpico on May 12, 2022 10:45:07 GMT
What a man, just extraordinairy, we need to get stuck in to Putin now, no more appeasement, no more cowtowing to a bully, the alternatives are all worse. You realise what that means ? so easy to sit in an armchair thousands of miles away calling for us to "do something" makes you feel good, doesn't it ? ... the actual consequences of that will likely mean a nuclear exchange and the end for most of us. Sending more weaponry to Ukraine and getting more heavily involved is only going to prolong this, it will end when Ukraine commits to going back to neutrality, it could have been brought to an end weeks ago, many experts are now suspecting the US and other western nations don't actually want it to end, they want to bog Russia down in a quagmire, hence why there have been no calls for peace talks.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 12, 2022 11:11:25 GMT
What a man, just extraordinairy, we need to get stuck in to Putin now, no more appeasement, no more cowtowing to a bully, the alternatives are all worse. You realise what that means ? so easy to sit in an armchair thousands of miles away calling for us to "do something" makes you feel good, doesn't it ? ... the actual consequences of that will likely mean a nuclear exchange and the end for most of us. Sending more weaponry to Ukraine and getting more heavily involved is only going to prolong this, it will end when Ukraine commits to going back to neutrality, it could have been brought to an end weeks ago, many experts are now suspecting the US and other western nations don't actually want it to end, they want to bog Russia down in a quagmire, hence why there have been no calls for peace talks. I think you're in Cloud Cuckoo Land if you think that this can be resolved by Ukrainian neutrality, much in the same way that some people think this war is about NATO expansion.
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Post by lordb on May 12, 2022 11:11:43 GMT
What a man, just extraordinairy, we need to get stuck in to Putin now, no more appeasement, no more cowtowing to a bully, the alternatives are all worse. You realise what that means ? so easy to sit in an armchair thousands of miles away calling for us to "do something" makes you feel good, doesn't it ? ... the actual consequences of that will likely mean a nuclear exchange and the end for most of us. Sending more weaponry to Ukraine and getting more heavily involved is only going to prolong this, it will end when Ukraine commits to going back to neutrality, it could have been brought to an end weeks ago, many experts are now suspecting the US and other western nations don't actually want it to end, they want to bog Russia down in a quagmire, hence why there have been no calls for peace talks. There only alternative to the current strategy is to let Russia destroy Ukraine, sorry thats not peace As Churchill said that's feeding raw meat to a hungry tiger Peace talks with Putin? Not a viable option atm
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Post by partickpotter on May 12, 2022 11:23:35 GMT
You realise what that means ? so easy to sit in an armchair thousands of miles away calling for us to "do something" makes you feel good, doesn't it ? ... the actual consequences of that will likely mean a nuclear exchange and the end for most of us. Sending more weaponry to Ukraine and getting more heavily involved is only going to prolong this, it will end when Ukraine commits to going back to neutrality, it could have been brought to an end weeks ago, many experts are now suspecting the US and other western nations don't actually want it to end, they want to bog Russia down in a quagmire, hence why there have been no calls for peace talks. I think you're in Cloud Cuckoo Land if you think that this can be resolved by Ukrainian neutrality, much in the same way that some people think this war is about NATO expansion. NATO expansion wasn’t a cause for this war. It is though a consequence of this war. It’s also pretty clear that Ukraine’s “neutrality” was a major contributing factor in the war. We can say this with confidence because the only former European Soviet Socialist Republics Putin hasn’t attacked are the ones that are members of NATO ie the Baltic States. NATO membership is the only thing that deters Putin’s ambitions, which is why Finland and Sweden are now intending to join.
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Post by Gods on May 12, 2022 11:23:58 GMT
What a man, just extraordinairy, we need to get stuck in to Putin now, no more appeasement, no more cowtowing to a bully, the alternatives are all worse. You realise what that means ? so easy to sit in an armchair thousands of miles away calling for us to "do something" makes you feel good, doesn't it ? ... the actual consequences of that will likely mean a nuclear exchange and the end for most of us. Sending more weaponry to Ukraine and getting more heavily involved is only going to prolong this, it will end when Ukraine commits to going back to neutrality, it could have been brought to an end weeks ago, many experts are now suspecting the US and other western nations don't actually want it to end, they want to bog Russia down in a quagmire, hence why there have been no calls for peace talks. Sounds like all Ukraine needs to do is to give in to a Hitler style dictator while the rest of the world stands back watching in awe. Then Moldova, then Poland ...
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Post by questionable on May 12, 2022 11:52:15 GMT
If there’s any proof of what the Russians are capable of and obviously doing there’s a CCTV video on CNN now of two old Ukrainian guys talking to Russian soldiers who stop them ask for a cigarette before allowing the two old guys to walk off, seconds later the Russian soldiers follow them and shoot them in their backs.
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Post by mtrstudent on May 12, 2022 15:39:53 GMT
If there’s any proof of what the Russians are capable of and obviously doing there’s a CCTV video on CNN now of two old Ukrainian guys talking to Russian soldiers who stop them ask for a cigarette before allowing the two old guys to walk off, seconds later the Russian soldiers follow them and shoot them in their backs. That's just the single tiniest bit of war crime the Russians have been doing. All the "boo hoo the West are prolonging this, why can't you just let Putin's goons rape, torture and murder all the civilians " is fucking disgusting. I'm glad my Grandad and his mates didn't fall for that sort of propaganda when they got back from Dunkirk.
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Post by mtrstudent on May 12, 2022 15:42:19 GMT
Amazing drone footage out over the past day or so of a Russian attempt to cross the river behind the Ukrainians holding on in Luhansk Oblast. At least 73 Russian vehicles blown up or abandoned. Tweet with pics here, plus an account from who seems to be a Ukrainian engineer. Here's a taster: The pro-Russian folk are saying this is proof they're winning now they're over the river but losing 73 vehicles just to try and get behind a pretty small Ukrainian city is not the sort of thing that will win them the war.
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Post by Northy on May 12, 2022 15:47:01 GMT
Amazing drone footage out over the past day or so of a Russian attempt to cross the river behind the Ukrainians holding on in Luhansk Oblast. At least 73 Russian vehicles blown up or abandoned. Tweet here, here's a taster: where they tried to build a river crossing? also estimated they lost a brigade of men as well.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 15:49:53 GMT
You realise what that means ? so easy to sit in an armchair thousands of miles away calling for us to "do something" makes you feel good, doesn't it ? ... the actual consequences of that will likely mean a nuclear exchange and the end for most of us. Sending more weaponry to Ukraine and getting more heavily involved is only going to prolong this, it will end when Ukraine commits to going back to neutrality, it could have been brought to an end weeks ago, many experts are now suspecting the US and other western nations don't actually want it to end, they want to bog Russia down in a quagmire, hence why there have been no calls for peace talks. Sounds like all Ukraine needs to do is to give in to a Hitler style dictator while the rest of the world stands back watching in awe. Then Moldova, then Poland ... Any talk of peace talks is naive at best. I agree with this tweet.
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Post by mtrstudent on May 12, 2022 15:54:46 GMT
Amazing drone footage out over the past day or so of a Russian attempt to cross the river behind the Ukrainians holding on in Luhansk Oblast. At least 73 Russian vehicles blown up or abandoned. Tweet here, here's a taster: [image snipped] where they tried to build a river crossing? also estimated they lost a brigade of men as well. That's right! Some soldiers probably escaped so the Ukrainians are reporting too many dead but it's still a big victory. There is bad news too. Russians took Rubiznhe yesterday, the Ukrainians had held it since the beginning but finally pulled out. That leaves Lysychansk and Sievierodonetsk in Luhansk and holding it would risk losing lots of expert soldiers. 3 major "victories" for Russia in ~3 months (Kherson, Mariupol, Luhansk Oblast) and they've lost 4,000 or so vehicles. If we keep sending them weapons then Ukraine will stand.
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Post by partickpotter on May 12, 2022 16:11:58 GMT
Sounds like all Ukraine needs to do is to give in to a Hitler style dictator while the rest of the world stands back watching in awe. Then Moldova, then Poland ... Any talk of peace talks is naive at best. I agree with this tweet. Just for clarification, do you agree with the tweet or the retweet?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 16:28:10 GMT
Any talk of peace talks is naive at best. I agree with this tweet. Just for clarification, do you agree with the tweet or the retweet? The Republicans are showing themselves up to be enemies of the United States.
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Post by partickpotter on May 12, 2022 16:38:26 GMT
Just for clarification, do you agree with the tweet or the retweet? The Republicans are showing themselves up to be enemies of the United States. The re-tweet then. Righto. Not sure I’d tar all republicans with the same brush though. That’s a bit simplistic. Do you know if his view is shared with many other republicans. I suspect it’s not a singular opinion but it is a minority one.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 16:42:47 GMT
The Republicans are showing themselves up to be enemies of the United States. The re-tweet then. Righto. Not sure I’d tar all republicans with the same brush though. That’s a bit simplistic. Do you know if his view is shared with many other republicans. I suspect it’s not a singular opinion but it is a minority one. There’s quite a few
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Post by butlerstbob on May 12, 2022 16:46:08 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on May 12, 2022 16:46:11 GMT
The Republicans are showing themselves up to be enemies of the United States. The re-tweet then. Righto. Not sure I’d tar all republicans with the same brush though. That’s a bit simplistic. Do you know if his view is shared with many other republicans. I suspect it’s not a singular opinion but it is a minority one. I think so too, among current elected Republicans especially in the Senate. There's a Trumpist core that loves Putin though, and most of the rest would go along with him fucking up NATO. They share Putin's disdain for democracy, equal rights etc.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 12, 2022 17:51:43 GMT
Interesting move by Finland today. Not entirely surprising, and the right thing to do imo. They'd be next in all likelihood. Currently unprotected.
Putin will no doubt use it as justification "See, I told you they were trying to crowd us".
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Post by serpico on May 12, 2022 18:36:06 GMT
Ukraine has been a defacto member of NATO since 2014, when people say we "need to do something" they're way behind the curve, we already did, thats why there is a huge mess in Ukraine right now, because we (but mainly the US and Germany) did "do something" ... non of this would be happening had it not been for the coup of 2014, the west has set Ukraine up for this, as Kissinger once said "To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal"
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