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Post by jeycov on Dec 16, 2021 16:20:28 GMT
Despite the fact mask mandated countries suffered far greater than us whilst we had no mask mandate. For every article you can find proving masks work, you can find another that says they don't.
We'll probably never know for certain but in my opinion, they onner worth the string they're hung on. That was probably true in the early stages of this pandemic. But, as more and more data has become available there is a consensus that masks do work - primarily by reducing the chances of an infected person (who wears a mask) spreading the virus to other people indoors or on public transport or anywhere where ventilation is poor. You are entitled to your opinion but I'll go with the science. And you have to wear them properly
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 16, 2021 16:22:52 GMT
It would not surprise me if the current new case level was 2 or 3 times the official figure. Given that the Omicron symptoms seem to be close to those of the common cold there will be thousands who assumed they had a cold and didn't bother to test themselves. Long term, owd Omicron may be a blessing. If it is as unlikely to cause serious illness as appears possible. However, if a significant percentage of cases do require hospitalisation, then I doubt if the NHS will escape being swamped - especially as a number of their staff will be convalescing at home.
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Post by Gods on Dec 16, 2021 16:29:59 GMT
Long term, owd Omicron may be a blessing. If it is as unlikely to cause serious illness as appears possible. However, if a significant percentage of cases do require hospitalisation, then I doubt if the NHS will escape being swamped - especially as a number of their staff will be convalescing at home. I think even if 0.1% of people infected based on the projected numbers end up in A&E then that's the NHS down the toilet. A small percentage of a very large number is still a large number. Or large enough to sink an organisation which is creaking at the seams this time of year to begin with. This is really the point.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 16, 2021 16:32:41 GMT
If it is as unlikely to cause serious illness as appears possible. However, if a significant percentage of cases do require hospitalisation, then I doubt if the NHS will escape being swamped - especially as a number of their staff will be convalescing at home. I think even if 0.1% of people infected based on the projected numbers end up in A&E then that's the NHS down the toilet. A small percentage of a very large number is still a large number. Or large enough to sink an organisation which is creaking at the seams this time of year to begin with. This is really the point. If only they'd had over a year to plan for such an eventuality...
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Post by ab61 on Dec 16, 2021 16:37:36 GMT
I think even if 0.1% of people infected based on the projected numbers end up in A&E then that's the NHS down the toilet. A small percentage of a very large number is still a large number. Or large enough to sink an organisation which is creaking at the seams this time of year to begin with. This is really the point. If only they'd had over a year to plan for such an eventuality... Idiot 🙄
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 16, 2021 16:42:08 GMT
If only they'd had over a year to plan for such an eventuality... Idiot 🙄 Why? I don't mean the NHS but if they thought a serious spike was a possibility (surely a variant was always a distinct possibility), then what happened to the purpose built hospitals?
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Post by slicko on Dec 16, 2021 16:45:28 GMT
If it is as unlikely to cause serious illness as appears possible. However, if a significant percentage of cases do require hospitalisation, then I doubt if the NHS will escape being swamped - especially as a number of their staff will be convalescing at home. I think even if 0.1% of people infected based on the projected numbers end up in A&E then that's the NHS down the toilet. A small percentage of a very large number is still a large number. Or large enough to sink an organisation which is creaking at the seams this time of year to begin with. This is really the point. The neglect of the NHS in light of previous capacity challenges is criminal.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Dec 16, 2021 16:50:37 GMT
I think even if 0.1% of people infected based on the projected numbers end up in A&E then that's the NHS down the toilet. A small percentage of a very large number is still a large number. Or large enough to sink an organisation which is creaking at the seams this time of year to begin with. This is really the point. The neglect of the NHS in light of previous capacity challenges is criminal. Agreed, and if the Covid pandemic has demonstrated one thing, it's that having an efficient and well funded NHS is a matter of national security.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 16, 2021 16:51:34 GMT
This casedemic is getting serious, there is every chance the annual Christmas football will all be postponed I can remember the last time this phrase was used here and tens of thousands more people died. It was crass then and it’s crass now.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 16, 2021 16:53:45 GMT
Just hope they all survive, football is irrelevant at times like this A walking contradiction
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Post by yyy on Dec 16, 2021 16:55:30 GMT
Just hope they all survive, football is irrelevant at times like this A walking contradiction Woooosh
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Post by samba :) on Dec 16, 2021 16:56:13 GMT
I think a circuit breaker winter break is required
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Post by reddipotter on Dec 16, 2021 16:57:53 GMT
Depends what you mean by "work". They will not stop you getting it, just as vaccination or boosters doessn't stop you getting it. What masks do is decrease the chance that if you are infected, you will spread it to those around you. Despite the fact mask mandated countries suffered far greater than us whilst we had no mask mandate. For every article you can find proving masks work, you can find another that says they don't. We'll probably never know for certain but in my opinion, they onner worth the string they're hung on. Which countries were those?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 16, 2021 17:01:14 GMT
We played QPR who subsequently had 13 players/officials out with the virus so stands to reason I suppose..... It’s rife in London right now. Coming to a town near you soon. Already rife in Manchester to be fair.....
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Post by Northy on Dec 16, 2021 17:02:06 GMT
They can’t disclose names because of patient confidentiality unless the player gives permission. I agree a player should be sanctioned if not vaccinated, assuming it’s company policy. Why should they be sanctioned? Being vaccinated doesn't reduce their chances of catching it or spreading it. It does, double vaccinated reduces the risk of transmission fullfact.org/online/neil-oliver-vaccines-effect/
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 16, 2021 17:04:35 GMT
This casedemic is getting serious, there is every chance the annual Christmas football will all be postponed I can remember the last time this phrase was used here and tens of thousands more people died. It was crass then and it’s crass now. Don’t argue with the expert 😂
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Post by simple on Dec 16, 2021 17:07:41 GMT
Despite the fact mask mandated countries suffered far greater than us whilst we had no mask mandate. For every article you can find proving masks work, you can find another that says they don't. We'll probably never know for certain but in my opinion, they onner worth the string they're hung on. Which countries were those? Why do doctors wear masks while carrying out operations,and before you make wild clams name your countries.
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Post by steve66 on Dec 16, 2021 17:09:50 GMT
When you get players jumping each other after scoring (even Stoke) supporters going onto the pitch mobbing players, players jumping into the crowd for a few seconds adulation it’s little wonder covid rampant again
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 16, 2021 17:11:59 GMT
How do they know that for Onicron but can’t say how lethal it is?
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Post by ursemboys on Dec 16, 2021 17:12:46 GMT
When you get players jumping each other after scoring (even Stoke) supporters going onto the pitch mobbing players, players jumping into the crowd for a few seconds adulation it’s little wonder covid rampant again seriously, your winding us up with that comment surely ?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 16, 2021 17:14:58 GMT
How can you prove it was the unvaccinated player that spread ot though when vaccinated players test positive?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 16, 2021 17:17:19 GMT
Fair enough. It's not doing a very good job right now is it? How do you propose they prove it was the unvaccinated player that was responsible for the transmission so as to impose sanctions on unvaccinated player?
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Dec 16, 2021 17:19:03 GMT
Hang on, didn’t you just say the variant is a “cold”? Is sarcasm not a friend of yours? Aaaaaaaah!
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Post by klingon on Dec 16, 2021 17:19:37 GMT
You've got to have sympathy for the poor lambs. It's not as if they've got time on their hands to get a vaccination, is it? It's none of your business though wether they have one or not, you just don't get it do you Unfortunate turn of phrase I suggest................ Aaaaanyway - crisis over - Rishi's back! The chancellor, Rishi Sunak, will be returning early from his trip to California to hold more talks with business chiefs in response to the Omicron crisis on Friday.
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Post by steve66 on Dec 16, 2021 17:21:46 GMT
When you get players jumping each other after scoring (even Stoke) supporters going onto the pitch mobbing players, players jumping into the crowd for a few seconds adulation it’s little wonder covid rampant again seriously, your winding us up with that comment surely ? It’s not helping stop the spread is it!!!
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Dec 16, 2021 17:24:17 GMT
You've got to have sympathy for the poor lambs. It's not as if they've got time on their hands to get a vaccination, is it? It's none of your business though wether they have one or not, you just don't get it do you That’s what care workers and NHS workers thought!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 16, 2021 17:26:00 GMT
You've got to have sympathy for the poor lambs. It's not as if they've got time on their hands to get a vaccination, is it? I’ve had all three as that’s my choice ….It’s their choice, they are human beings and have a personal choice in it all Be interested to know how many of those slaughtering people for not having it refused to get the flu jab prior to all this happening 20 months ago Of course nobody will admit to it Most people get a flu jab at certain age though mate,don’t they?
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Post by ursemboys on Dec 16, 2021 17:26:47 GMT
seriously, your winding us up with that comment surely ? It’s not helping stop the spread is it!!! Give over dont be such a drama queen, I assume you dont sit next to anyone in the ground and you walk in with a bubble around you.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 16, 2021 17:27:23 GMT
You've got to have sympathy for the poor lambs. It's not as if they've got time on their hands to get a vaccination, is it? I’ve had all three as that’s my choice ….It’s their choice, they are human beings and have a personal choice in it all Be interested to know how many of those slaughtering people for not having it refused to get the flu jab prior to all this happening 20 months ago Of course nobody will admit to it Spot on. All adults should have a choice, either take the vaccine or not. Like you, I've had three but if the bloke next to me doesn't I don't think anything more or less of him. His life, his choice.
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Post by werrington on Dec 16, 2021 17:27:46 GMT
I’ve had all three as that’s my choice ….It’s their choice, they are human beings and have a personal choice in it all Be interested to know how many of those slaughtering people for not having it refused to get the flu jab prior to all this happening 20 months ago Of course nobody will admit to it Most people get a flu jab at certain age though mate,don’t they? You’d be very surprised at the uptake on it up until 2 years ago Steve
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